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Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
It is fairly naive to think Trump making a video is going to have any effect on the election whatsoever
For one, this obnoxious loser tactic of calling the election rigged is turning off everyone except die hards like you
Second, Trump is the one who behaved like a fascist at the last debate where he made it very clear his concept of political reality is the victor gets to lock up the loser of the election. That's what a Stalinist would say, not a legit candidate for the American presidency.
But we already know Trump doesn't have the slightest interest in due process nor does he even have a clue about governmental protocols.
He doesn't respect the rule of law. He wants what he wants. His bully pulpit won't work.
So why should anybody give a damn about him pointing fingers at the 11th hour to save his butt after being a squealing jack ass for months when he claims the FBI can't do their job?
That's right, no one cares except people who like to chant Lock Her Up at Trump rallies
These tactics play directly into the hands of everybody who will continue to marginalize Trump and people like yourself who pass on these kinds of undigested assumptions you call news. It doesn't make a case for taking him seriously. Pinning all hopes on the anecdote that the Justice Dept and the FBI jockeyed over how to handle a case and came to a resolution is not a bombshell.
But the way the obedient link army lemmings behave they act like it is proof of the devil's work! These shrill victory dances over inflated assumptions about small news items has become really tiresome and it trivializes all of you, not just Trump.
This angle of a rigged election is now diminishing him even more. If he had no future in elected office before, well this will seal the deal. Don't you even realize that? I don't think you do.
After he gets pounded into the dirt in November nobody will take him seriously again EXCEPT the 5-10% of Americans who will delude themselves they have a movement and will pay The Donald a subscription fee where they can post endless comments about Crooked Hillary. Meanwhile the demographics of 75 year olds yelling Benghazi will yield diminishing returns and even less influence over time.
You are the marketing target in a Brietbart-directed initiative which is an intended marginalization of Trump into a condensed target group they can turn into cash money. They did market research and they are honing their slogans for the final weeks of the campaign that will be most marketable post-election.
They want your money, not your vote, but you still haven't figured that out. The "Rigged Election" is a slogan for their advertising campaign, not an act of moral courage or conviction and you guys repeat it slavishly without a clue as to why they are pushing this angle now. These are marketers, not legislators.
You will never gain any power in the political process thinking like you do or backing scoundrels like Trump. No, don't bother telling me about Hillary in response. At least she's politically viable regardless of what you think of her. Trump definitely is not. He's never running for office again unless you haven't already caught on.
We had him pegged a long time ago. He really just wants to move on to his media career. It is not a political strategy. It is a promo for the next TV season where him and his guests will then babble incessantly about a rigged system and then cut to a commercial break. He is playing this like a sure loser and the rigged election theme is his new rallying cry for the constituency he wants to milk for advertising dollars on Trump News TV.
This has nothing to do with justice or integrity. It has everything to do with Trump conceding the election and planning for the next chapter in his entertainment career. If you think it is actually seriousness on display, then you got played once again. He's a con man and you're his puppet. He wants your eyeballs so he can monetize them. That is who Trump is. He uses people just like he uses you.
There is no one more cynical than Trump. I do believe you are probably sincere. But you pinned your hopes on the tail of a jack ass. The projections you and others make unto Trump are delusional. He is not your leader. Snap out of it! Go find someone who will actually represent you. Trump is nothing but a con man. Instead of being insulted, go look for a better solution, because man you picked the biggest loser in America to represent you. He's a joke.
Trump rolled all of you. He's hoping he'll get to laugh his way to the bank with his pundits and media subscriptions. Based on the way his trolling base is so rabid, I'd guess there's some serious money to be made by getting 3% of Americans to pay Trump $10 a month to listen to him and his choir. That's what you signed up for when you backed Trump. He just wanted to be an ever bigger celebrity and he got his wish at the expense of your idealism. Don't be a sucker.
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Wingo, I got about 10 minutes in, before Dayen started, but it was good already. Thanks.

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earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Times did a front-page story on it. It's a whole lot of nothing.
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Does anyone doubt for a second that if Trump were the target of the Wikileaks dumps the networks would have a show dedicated just to discussing them 24/7?
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Wait. You're telling me Donald Trump made a video in which he called Hillary Clinton crooked? This is earth-shattering news.
And just like that, the lead has been cut to 8!
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ClydeRules wrote:Does anyone doubt for a second that if Trump were the target of the Wikileaks dumps the networks would have a show dedicated just to discussing them 24/7?
If the information was this shallow and devoid of any real substance, I don't think anyone would care either.
The Newsweek article about Donald Trump's ties/debts to foreign criminals was more concrete than anything in the Wikileaks, and nobody really harped on it.
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ClydeRules wrote:Does anyone doubt for a second that if Trump were the target of the Wikileaks dumps the networks would have a show dedicated just to discussing them 24/7?
Yep I do. If anything was really bad, it'd get attention. Otherwise not so much. People would talk about them sure, but headlines require clear and big scandals, not a collection of this and that.
H's email server has been covered heavily. Nonstop.
Trump sucks. You don't need his private emails -- his own words are bad enough, and then several women came out accusing him of sexual misconduct. Way bigger than anything in Podesta's emails.
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
My questions to you all is the following:
1. There are numerous reports that under this administration, the use of Al Queda has been used extensively in Syria, much like they were used in Afghanistan against Russia. Aren't they our sworn enemy? or Are WE missing something? The arming by a U.S. citizen of an enemy combatant is akin to treason...no?
2. The Saudis arm these same folks buy buying waepons from allies from the stock pile of "acquired" weapons from both Iraq and Libya.
But what really really really. boggles my mind, is how passive and forgiving the citizens of this, our Country have become regarding the support and funding of these guys.
Seems that H.C. is in line with the use of them as proxies, (again see Afghanistan), apparently the missing emails prove this.
So Trump is a loose nut, we all agree, but don't dismiss everything he says. He's highlighting rumors mainstream media doesn't want to touch.
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GONYK wrote:ClydeRules wrote:Does anyone doubt for a second that if Trump were the target of the Wikileaks dumps the networks would have a show dedicated just to discussing them 24/7?
If the information was this shallow and devoid of any real substance, I don't think anyone would care either.
The Newsweek article about Donald Trump's ties/debts to foreign criminals was more concrete than anything in the Wikileaks, and nobody really harped on it.
Newsweek stories a great example -- barely covered because it's not simple to explain and there's no vivid evidence that people can easily absorb and share. All about the viral.
If H talks about forcing herself on men on audio tape, it'd cripple her.
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earthmansurfer wrote:
So you have nothing to say for yourself after I addressed you in full detail?
You're just going to continue to be a sucker pawn furthering the ambitions of Trump's entertainment career.
Are you going to peddle every advertising slogan they feed you from now until November 8th?
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HarthorneWingo wrote:BKlutch wrote:duetta wrote:
Yep. Class of '78.
Nice. My son just started there. He's going to owe a fortune when he graduates, but I love that school.
Nothing like a Jesuit education. The Berrigan Brothers and all that! Those Jesuit priests are a blast. And they know how to party.
The Jesuits at that school are so cool, it's amazing. I really like them, and as you point out, there's a good tradition.
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Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
We seem to have gone out of the realm of politics into the realm of mental illness here. The FBI and DOJ are conspiring against him, and the press is covering it up? Of course, it's only one step to the Martians being involved.
Or he's trying to create a splinter party for his deplorables, er, followers.
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ClydeRules wrote:Does anyone doubt for a second that if Trump were the target of the Wikileaks dumps the networks would have a show dedicated just to discussing them 24/7?
A lot of those emails show a smart, considered, highly organized individual. They also give Wall Street a lot of reason to be concerned that she will go after the 1%. All in all, what we've seen is pretty good.
Compare that to sexual abuse and reveling in it, and the contrast becomes even sharper.
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Another reason Trump's claims won't get any traction...Americans don't like him and don't trust him.
Just 30 percent of registered voters in the survey said Trump has a “strong moral character,” versus 45 percent for Clinton. Only 34 percent viewed Trump as honest and trustworthy, down from 42 percent in last month’s survey. And just 34 percent said Trump has the right temperament to be president, while 59 percent said Clinton does.
And, in a finding consistent with most other surveys, just 39 percent of registered voters said Trump is qualified for the Oval Office, versus 59 percent who said Clinton is.
Trump’s unfavorable numbers are up among American adults: 66 percent view the New York mogul unfavorably, an increase of 7 points since September’s survey, and 54 percent see him “strongly” unfavorably. But among registered voters, Trump is seen only somewhat more unfavorably than Clinton, 63 percent to her 57 percent.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-4-nationally-229851#ixzz4NS3FA81c
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GONYK wrote:Another reason Trump's claims won't get any traction...Americans don't like him and don't trust him.Just 30 percent of registered voters in the survey said Trump has a “strong moral character,” versus 45 percent for Clinton. Only 34 percent viewed Trump as honest and trustworthy, down from 42 percent in last month’s survey. And just 34 percent said Trump has the right temperament to be president, while 59 percent said Clinton does.
And, in a finding consistent with most other surveys, just 39 percent of registered voters said Trump is qualified for the Oval Office, versus 59 percent who said Clinton is.
Trump’s unfavorable numbers are up among American adults: 66 percent view the New York mogul unfavorably, an increase of 7 points since September’s survey, and 54 percent see him “strongly” unfavorably. But among registered voters, Trump is seen only somewhat more unfavorably than Clinton, 63 percent to her 57 percent.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-4-nationally-229851#ixzz4NS3FA81c
Trump won't be able to walk safely in his own hometown now without having heaps of scorn cast upon him. Not that he ever walked anywhere like a real New Yorker anyway.
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Amsterdam wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:
Let's see if this starts breaking, pretty big for Trump to come out and make a video about the collusioin between FBI, State Dept and Hillary. Word is getting out.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-video-fbi-documents-hillary-clinton-2016-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T
My questions to you all is the following:
1. There are numerous reports that under this administration, the use of Al Queda has been used extensively in Syria, much like they were used in Afghanistan against Russia. Aren't they our sworn enemy? or Are WE missing something? The arming by a U.S. citizen of an enemy combatant is akin to treason...no?
2. The Saudis arm these same folks buy buying waepons from allies from the stock pile of "acquired" weapons from both Iraq and Libya.
But what really really really. boggles my mind, is how passive and forgiving the citizens of this, our Country have become regarding the support and funding of these guys.
Seems that H.C. is in line with the use of them as proxies, (again see Afghanistan), apparently the missing emails prove this.
So Trump is a loose nut, we all agree, but don't dismiss everything he says. He's highlighting rumors mainstream media doesn't want to touch.
Trump thought he was bleeding edge. Now, he's just gone over the edge. Good riddance.
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Glad Obama is bitch slapping this wimpy fraud
Obama Tells Trump: Stop ‘Whining’ and Trying to Discredit the Election
WASHINGTON — President Obama said Tuesday that Donald J. Trump should “stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.”
Speaking at a Rose Garden news conference with Matteo Renzi, the Italian prime minister, Mr. Obama also called it “unprecedented” for any presidential candidate to “discredit the elections” before any votes were even cast, as Mr. Trump has done repeatedly in recent days.
“One of the great things about America’s democracy is we have a vigorous, sometimes bitter political contest, and when it’s done, historically, regardless of party, the person who loses the election congratulates the winner, reaffirms our democracy and we move forward,” Mr. Obama said.
Speaking of the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power after presidential elections, Mr. Obama said, “That’s how democracy survives.”
“I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history, any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place,” Mr. Obama said. “It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts.”
Obama Tells Trump: Stop ‘Whining’ and Trying to Discredit the Election
WASHINGTON — President Obama said Tuesday that Donald J. Trump should “stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.”
Speaking at a Rose Garden news conference with Matteo Renzi, the Italian prime minister, Mr. Obama also called it “unprecedented” for any presidential candidate to “discredit the elections” before any votes were even cast, as Mr. Trump has done repeatedly in recent days.
“One of the great things about America’s democracy is we have a vigorous, sometimes bitter political contest, and when it’s done, historically, regardless of party, the person who loses the election congratulates the winner, reaffirms our democracy and we move forward,” Mr. Obama said.
Speaking of the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power after presidential elections, Mr. Obama said, “That’s how democracy survives.”
“I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history, any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place,” Mr. Obama said. “It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts.”









