The Preseason Thread

[Inigo Montoya]

If he's healthy, I'd start Favors. Wouldn't want to mess with his confidence. At most, I'd let him come off the bench for 1-2 games just to get his legs back if he needs it, but that's about it.

[KqWIN]

Rudy has become a better player no doubt, but you also have to consider how much he benefits from having a spread floor and better passers around him. Life without Favors wouldn't be a disaster...

[Inigo Montoya]

Rudy has become a better player no doubt, but you also have to consider how much he benefits from having a spread floor and better passers around him. Life without Favors wouldn't be a disaster...

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

[KqWIN]

Rudy has become a better player no doubt, but you also have to consider how much he benefits from having a spread floor and better passers around him. Life without Favors wouldn't be a disaster...

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

Yeah, you definitely can't bench him. I'm just thinking long term. We can't pay everyone, and as good as Favors is, I think he's the one that the franchise could live without. If the next Harden trade comes along, the Jazz have to be ready to pounce and Favors can be the centerpiece of that trade.

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[Inigo Montoya]

Rudy has become a better player no doubt, but you also have to consider how much he benefits from having a spread floor and better passers around him. Life without Favors wouldn't be a disaster...

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

Yeah, you definitely can't bench him. I'm just thinking long term. We can't pay everyone, and as good as Favors is, I think he's the one that the franchise could live without. If the next Harden trade comes along, the Jazz have to be ready to pounce and Favors can be the centerpiece of that trade.

I agree. But that's why I think the Hayward situation has to be resolved first. If we trade Favors before Hayward is locked long-term, he might view it as another reason to move on and will have the power to do so. Then again, if we retain Hayward at the end of the season, the offers for Favors would be much lower as a guy with an expiring deal with no team options. That's why I always say the Jazz have to be proactive and ahead of the curve. It looks like if such a move ever happens, the Jazz are yet again setting themselves to get less of a return than they should because they hold players for too long.

This is of course only conjecture on my part, needless to say.

[KqWIN]

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

Yeah, you definitely can't bench him. I'm just thinking long term. We can't pay everyone, and as good as Favors is, I think he's the one that the franchise could live without. If the next Harden trade comes along, the Jazz have to be ready to pounce and Favors can be the centerpiece of that trade.

I agree. But that's why I think the Hayward situation has to be resolved first. If we trade Favors before Hayward is locked long-term, he might view it as another reason to move on and will have the power to do so. Then again, if we retain Hayward at the end of the season, the offers for Favors would be much lower as a guy with an expiring deal with no team options. That's why I always say the Jazz have to be proactive and ahead of the curve. It looks like if such a move ever happens, the Jazz are yet again setting themselves to get less of a return than they should because they hold players for too long.

This is of course only conjecture on my part, needless to say.

If Hayward has already told the FO he wants to come back, that would definitely open the options. Still, I don't think Hayward would mind us trading for someone like Kevin Love or Jimmy Butler. Those are the two guys I'd keep my eyes on.

[Inigo Montoya]

Frankly, I'd rather have Favors than Butler. I just don't think Butler will fit that well with Hayward, among others, even though he's a good player. If Hayward signs off on a trade, obviously it'd make things simpler, though I hate it that we just might have come to this--that we need less than superstar-caliber player's "permission" to make big trades.

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Rudy has become a better player no doubt, but you also have to consider how much he benefits from having a spread floor and better passers around him. Life without Favors wouldn't be a disaster...

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

Yeah, you definitely can't bench him. I'm just thinking long term. We can't pay everyone, and as good as Favors is, I think he's the one that the franchise could live without. If the next Harden trade comes along, the Jazz have to be ready to pounce and Favors can be the centerpiece of that trade.

I'm not suggesting that Favors permanently come off the bench. I just want to bring him a long slowly for a few days so that he can shake off the rust and hopefully build chemistry with his teammates while coming off the bench.

[KqWIN]

I would trade Favors for a potion that makes Diaw 25 again...I just love watching him and Gobert play together

[Inigo Montoya]

I agree. I think most of it regarding Gobert is spacing and better passing that benefits him. His biggest leap might be his improved FT shooting, if it holds.

As for Favors, I look at it less from a pure basketball standpoint and more as a potential chemistry issue, or something he'd resent while trying to negotiate a contract restructure, or a new one altogether. I wouldn't want to mess with his confidence or psyche\ego.

Yeah, you definitely can't bench him. I'm just thinking long term. We can't pay everyone, and as good as Favors is, I think he's the one that the franchise could live without. If the next Harden trade comes along, the Jazz have to be ready to pounce and Favors can be the centerpiece of that trade.

I'm not suggesting that Favors permanently come off the bench. I just want to bring him a long slowly for a few days so that he can shake off the rust and hopefully build chemistry with his teammates while coming off the bench.

If he needs 1-2 games to shake the rust off and gets his legs back, I wouldn't be opposed to it as long as he's ok with it, but not much longer than that.

[KqWIN]

Man I hope Embiid stays healthy. He is hilarious!

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Tomorrow is the day Favors becomes eligible for renegotiation and extension. Just FYI.

[BringtheD]

Team looked good. Diaw hill found their groove, Johsnon had one good game. Hope the injury bug doesn't catch us, but Lindsey did a good job, if the preseason is any indication.

[jazzfanWA]

I agree. But that's why I think the Hayward situation has to be resolved first. If we trade Favors before Hayward is locked long-term, he might view it as another reason to move on and will have the power to do so. Then again, if we retain Hayward at the end of the season, the offers for Favors would be much lower as a guy with an expiring deal with no team options. That's why I always say the Jazz have to be proactive and ahead of the curve. It looks like if such a move ever happens, the Jazz are yet again setting themselves to get less of a return than they should because they hold players for too long.

This is of course only conjecture on my part, needless to say.

If Hayward's resigning depends on Favors staying in a Jazz uniform then he is going to get reassurance from management that Favors isn't traded before committing to the Jazz.

[Inigo Montoya]

If Hayward's resigning depends on Favors staying in a Jazz uniform then he is going to get reassurance from management that Favors isn't traded before committing to the Jazz.

And that means that Hayward's situation will be resolved first, since he's likely to opt out this summer and Favors expires a season later, which is what I'm saying. Of course, if\when Hayward signs a new deal with the Jazz and is locked long-term, all bets are off. That also means that if the Jazz wanted to trade Favors after Hayward signs a new deal, they'll get less value for him since he'd be on an expiring deal with no team option.

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If Hayward's resigning depends on Favors staying in a Jazz uniform then he is going to get reassurance from management that Favors isn't traded before committing to the Jazz.

And that means that Hayward's situation will be resolved first, since he's likely to opt out this summer and Favors expires a season later, which is what I'm saying. Of course, if\when Hayward signs a new deal with the Jazz and is locked long-term, all bets are off. That also means that if the Jazz wanted to trade Favors after Hayward signs a new deal, they'll get less value for him since he'd be on an expiring deal with no team option.

That's why you renegotiate and extend Favors. Like... TODAY is a good day for it. And if you need to trade him in the future, he would be on a nice long-term contract so you can bargain for the best value possible.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If Hayward's resigning depends on Favors staying in a Jazz uniform then he is going to get reassurance from management that Favors isn't traded before committing to the Jazz.

And that means that Hayward's situation will be resolved first, since he's likely to opt out this summer and Favors expires a season later, which is what I'm saying. Of course, if\when Hayward signs a new deal with the Jazz and is locked long-term, all bets are off. That also means that if the Jazz wanted to trade Favors after Hayward signs a new deal, they'll get less value for him since he'd be on an expiring deal with no team option.

That's why you renegotiate and extend Favors. Like... TODAY is a good day for it. And if you need to trade him in the future, he would be on a nice long-term contract so you can bargain for the best value possible.

That would require taking on roughly $20M in contracts as well as picks, instead of a more manageable $10M if he is extended and traded, though, which will make trading him more difficult.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If Hayward's resigning depends on Favors staying in a Jazz uniform then he is going to get reassurance from management that Favors isn't traded before committing to the Jazz.

And that means that Hayward's situation will be resolved first, since he's likely to opt out this summer and Favors expires a season later, which is what I'm saying. Of course, if\when Hayward signs a new deal with the Jazz and is locked long-term, all bets are off. That also means that if the Jazz wanted to trade Favors after Hayward signs a new deal, they'll get less value for him since he'd be on an expiring deal with no team option.

I wonder if the ability to extend Favors would increase his value over a typical expiring.

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And that means that Hayward's situation will be resolved first, since he's likely to opt out this summer and Favors expires a season later, which is what I'm saying. Of course, if\when Hayward signs a new deal with the Jazz and is locked long-term, all bets are off. That also means that if the Jazz wanted to trade Favors after Hayward signs a new deal, they'll get less value for him since he'd be on an expiring deal with no team option.

That's why you renegotiate and extend Favors. Like... TODAY is a good day for it. And if you need to trade him in the future, he would be on a nice long-term contract so you can bargain for the best value possible.

That would require taking on roughly $20M in contracts as well as picks, instead of a more manageable $10M if he is extended and traded, though, which will make trading him more difficult.

Only required if the team can't absorb him with cap space. Also, there are plenty of expiring contracts in the league. Like... about 30% of them. Taking on picks(the true value) + filler(expirings) is not the worst thing in the world. When on the table negotiating, I'd much rather have him signed for 3 years and have to take on expiring contract or two, than have him for 1 year and still have to take on some(although smaller) bad contracts.