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Political Roundtable Part X

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1821 » by Illuminaire » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:45 am

montestewart wrote:"Politics is whatever you can get away with while exposing your opponent doing the exact same thing."


“They have fewer guys willing to step out on the line for what they believe in. … There is a level of adherence to rules on the other side that only when you’re at the very highest level, do you get over.”

That's from one of the guys who was (allegedly) orchestrating all that stuff in the video. If even the guys neck deep in the madness think they're going farther than their opponents.... maybe they ARE going farther than their opponents.

And damnit, that matters.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1822 » by AFM » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:14 am

Pretty clear who the hatchet men of the NWO are on these boards

Keep on watching Clinton news Network, sheeple!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1823 » by montestewart » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:27 am

AFM wrote:Pretty clear who the hatchet men of the NWO are on these boards

Keep on watching Clinton news Network, sheeple!!

I get all my news from the radio in Grand Theft Auto
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1824 » by AFM » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:38 am

montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Pretty clear who the hatchet men of the NWO are on these boards

Keep on watching Clinton news Network, sheeple!!

I get all my news from the radio in Grand Theft Auto


I get mine from the first 5 minutes of porn

Who's Nailin' Palin is a classic
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1825 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:39 pm

AFM wrote:I get mine from the first 5 minutes of porn


In other news, some guy is about to deliver a pizza and another is going to fix the cable.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1826 » by Induveca » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:22 pm



Part 2, just as sickening. Voter fraud, and clear explanations on how they make it happen. (Illegal aliens, fake IDs, paying them, buying cars from auctions as buses are too obvious).

Crazy stuff.
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Post#1827 » by tontoz » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:40 pm

The "fake" video was enough to get Foval fired.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1828 » by montestewart » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:44 pm

Induveca wrote:

Part 2, just as sickening. Voter fraud, and clear explanations on how they make it happen. (Illegal aliens, fake IDs, paying them, buying cars from auctions as buses are too obvious).

Crazy stuff.

Foval already ****canned. What an idiot. If you're breaking the law, don't go bragging to strangers about it.

They've had 24 hours. Even if you're not convinced of the evidence itself, the fact that it exists and Foval was fired over it is news ready-to-go (although all the conservative sites report the firing while linking to each other, none of them seem to provide the original evidence). So far, Salon seems the only non-conservative site reporting.
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Post#1829 » by Induveca » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:00 pm

Trump's press conference prior to the debate tomorrow should be interesting. Who does he bring, the injured Chicago cops? Democrats turncoats? We're living in some crazy times.
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Post#1830 » by Induveca » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:56 pm

And Bob Creamer steps down as well. Another video soon, O'Keefe has said they get all the way to the White House eventually.
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Post#1831 » by montestewart » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:54 pm

Induveca wrote:And Bob Creamer steps down as well. Another video soon, O'Keefe has said they get all the way to the White House eventually.

Why hack when you can just walk in and roll the tape?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1832 » by montestewart » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:06 am

Creamer quoted as calling Foval's comments "barroom talk." My wife said, "Locker rooms, bar rooms, hope they all end up in a courtroom."
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Post#1833 » by AFM » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:46 am

Wait, so is this guy's name actually Bob Creamer?

He never pull out, huh...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1834 » by tontoz » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:56 am

montestewart wrote:Creamer quoted as calling Foval's comments "barroom talk." My wife said, "Locker rooms, bar rooms, hope they all end up in a courtroom."



LOL @ taking a page out of Trump's playbook. Maybe he doesn't realize that it isn't really working for Trump.
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Post#1835 » by Induveca » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:48 am

tontoz wrote:
montestewart wrote:Creamer quoted as calling Foval's comments "barroom talk." My wife said, "Locker rooms, bar rooms, hope they all end up in a courtroom."



LOL @ taking a page out of Trump's playbook. Maybe he doesn't realize that it isn't really working for Trump.


Creamer has had meetings at the White House over 340 times in the past few years. Let that sink in after seeing video #2.

Video 3 tomorrow at noon.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1836 » by dckingsfan » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:05 pm

Locker room talk - meh. Boys will be boys. But boys will not be President.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1837 » by dckingsfan » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:08 pm

Induveca wrote:Crazy stuff.

It's not crazy stuff - the Unions have done this for years - starting in Chicago.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304782404577488584031850026

Those attempts to castrate Citizen's United without taking on the Unions at the same time is mind boggling.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1838 » by tontoz » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:50 pm

The Chicago mob helped get Kennedy elected President through the unions.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1839 » by tontoz » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:18 pm

From:ntanden@gmail.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com Date: 2015-09-15 18:36 Subject: Re:

I mean it makes my life more difficult after telling every reporter I know she's actually progressive but that is really the smallest of issues. It worries me more that she doesn't seem to know what planet we are all living in at the moment.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote: > I pushed her on this on Sunday night. She claims she didn't remember > saying it. Not sure I believe her. We were speculating, that it may be a > Don Baer intervention. > >

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, Neera Tanden <ntanden@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why did she call herself a moderate? >> >


https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/18353#efmACvAD2
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1840 » by payitforward » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:57 pm

tontoz wrote:The Chicago mob helped get Kennedy elected President through the unions.

I'm from Chicago, and I lived there back then (though I was too young to vote in 1960). Your words are somewhat elliptical. There's no question that the unions in Chicago (and pretty much everywhere else in the country) were pro-Kennedy (pro-Democrat as always) and mobilized to get the vote out. I'm not sure how "the Chicago mob" figured in (or exactly what that was).

There were certainly plenty of allegations of voter fraud -- but the Daley machine wouldn't have needed the mob for that! :)

Given that the state went for Kennedy by only 9000 votes (!), cries of "fraud" would be expected from the losers, as such a fraud might easily tipped the result. That said, quite a number of investigations were done into the question, and they didn't turn up much. Here's a pretty thorough article: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.html

In any case, the phrase "helped get Kennedy elected" doesn't apply in a precise sense (though of course the more states he won the more likely he'd be elected). That is, had Illinois gone for Nixon, Kennedy would have still won the Presidency. An extremely close race would have been even closer, but the result would have been the same.

Btw, Stephen Levitt -- the Freakonomics guy -- has this to say: "I once had a research assistant spend a month going through old voting records to find any evidence of fraud in the 1960 presidential election in Illinois. We couldn’t find a thing. There are lots of ways to cheat that we wouldn’t have detected, but the easiest ones we likely would have found. Honestly, I was shocked we found nothing."

I can understand his shock. :) I'll only add that it was widely understood by Chicagoans back then that the Southern Illinois vote was "impure" as well -- in the other direction, though of course for the same reasons!

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