GDT: Wk 6 49ers (1-4) at Buffalo(3-2)

[CalamityX12]

Terrible year to judge Chip in any way, IMO. Just talent devoid across the board. Contrary to popular belief, both Kaerpernick and Gabbert are terrible fits in this system, nevermind the fact that they aren't any good. After Torrey Smith we have absolutely nothing in the receiver department, and even Smith can't be fully utilized in this offense because he's almost exclusively a deep a threat. Defensively there are problems everywhere - Reid just isn't who he was a couple of years ago. We can't get to the QB and we can't stop the run. Injuries to Williams, Armstrong, Ward, Bowman, etc.

I do like the potential we have on both lines, with Armstead, Buckner, Purcell, Garnett and Brown - but these guys are all young and inexperienced run now.

Can you name another team that has less talent than we do other than the Browns?

What about the preparations? the scheme? the adjustments? right now, take away the name and no one really could've notice that Tomsula wasn't still the HC.

Chip deserves a fault here. The talent is lacking but when does the coach do something about it? does he need an all star roster to make something good? O'Neil is trash from Cleveland, he's not going to get another chance at DC anytime soon after this.

Out of the games we've lost, which one would you say we should've won?

to directly answer, i'd say the Cards(pre 2nd half n on short wk) n Cowboys games were ours to take based on how it was unfolding.

To answer more clearly, its not so much about the actual wins, its the competitiveness and competency i wish we could see from our team, both players and coaches.

[thesack12]

Regarding the coaching staff, as already mentioned O'neil was not among the primary choices he was a "settle for" type of hiring. Much to the same capacity that Mangini and Chryst were last season. Again, its not hard to blame Baalke and the front office for this, as Frisco isn't considered a desirable situation. However, If the defense continues on its current path there shouldn't be any reason O'neil keeps his job (especially if Baalke is canned.) I get the idea of wanting to keep continiuty for a young defense, but if the current schemes/performance are awful it wouldn't be a good thing to waste another year in it. His defenses in Cleveland weren't any good either, so there isn't much hope about him getting it turned around.

It definitely seems as though Modkins hasn't provided much. His roots are in the run game, and outside of some nifty Hyde running and some nice runs by the QB's, I wouldn't call the running game good. Part of that is due to not so great run blocking, but some of that should fall on scheme because this year there is actually decent talent on the o-line. Also seems like there isn't too much diversity or imagination in the run game as far as different plays. As well all know the passing game is dreadful. In fairness, the lackluster WR's are getting open and QB play has been rotten. However, the good coaches are able to identify the strengths and weaknesses of their personnel and adapt the game planning to suit that. Modkins is more of a figurehead anyways, and everybody knows Chip is the guy when it comes to offense, so that coupled with the undesirable situation in Frisco probably means there weren't a lot of good candidates interested in the job.

As for Chip, he had one great year in Philly and got an all pro season out of Nick freakin Foles. Since then, it has been all downhill from there. We know how the Eagles thing turned out, so not much reason to dive into it. All the same things I said about Modkins, apply here, and then some. The play calling at times has been very predictable and not very diverse. Some NFL defensive players have said that Chip's system is definitely the easiest to prepare for. At other times its just been downright bad (I'll never know why Mike Davis got the call on back to back 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 last week, or why he was even on the field anyways.) The pace of the offense has slowed down from his previous norm, although I don't know how much of this has to do his feelings on his system in general or trying to specialize it for his current personnel. The staff definitely seems to struggle to make halftime/in game adjustments. How many times has the game just spiraled completely out of control after the half leading to Frisco getting throttled?

As others have mentioned, its probably unfair to judge Kelly at this point because of the dearth of talent and the Baalke effect. We really don't know how much of the coaching hire decisions were influenced by Baalke, or just how much he meddles in everything else. I also agree that regardless of what happens, he will at least get a second season. All that said, Kelly was not a hot candidate this past offseason (after the initial interview it seemed like Frisco didn't even want him.) He has been on a downward trend for quite awhile. If the situation in Frisco brightens (read as Trent Baalke getting fired), can Chip right the ship and restore stock in his NFL career? Time will tell, but it wouldn't be the first time a quality HC struggled early in their careers then went elsewhere and thrived. Bill Belichick and Pete Carrol immediately come to mind.

There's also the chance that at any given time Chip says I'm done with the NFL and bolts for college, a la Nick Saban.

[clyde21]

What about the preparations? the scheme? the adjustments? right now, take away the name and no one really could've notice that Tomsula wasn't still the HC.

Chip deserves a fault here. The talent is lacking but when does the coach do something about it? does he need an all star roster to make something good? O'Neil is trash from Cleveland, he's not going to get another chance at DC anytime soon after this.

Out of the games we've lost, which one would you say we should've won?

to directly answer, i'd say the Cards(pre 2nd half n on short wk) n Cowboys games were ours to take based on how it was unfolding.

To answer more clearly, its not so much about the actual wins, its the competitiveness and competency i wish we could see from our team, both players and coaches.

That's not what I mean. 6 games into the season, based on this roster, where did you see our record?

1-5 seems about right, honestly.

[CalamityX12]

Out of the games we've lost, which one would you say we should've won?

to directly answer, i'd say the Cards(pre 2nd half n on short wk) n Cowboys games were ours to take based on how it was unfolding.

To answer more clearly, its not so much about the actual wins, its the competitiveness and competency i wish we could see from our team, both players and coaches.

That's not what I mean. 6 games into the season, based on this roster, where did you see our record?

1-5 seems about right, honestly.

1-5, 2-4... yes thats my pessimistic predication. But in admitting so, I would have thought the games would show me, ok i see what we can do, just need the right pieces here and there etc....

no, its not the pieces alone its also, in my opinion, on the staff....

maybe i'm just too butthurt and bitter from the Harbaugh fallout that i was forced to watch Tomsula then Kelly(which i wasnt a fan of to begin with but w.e. to get the ship righted) who really hasn't done more with little.

[clyde21]

to directly answer, i'd say the Cards(pre 2nd half n on short wk) n Cowboys games were ours to take based on how it was unfolding.

To answer more clearly, its not so much about the actual wins, its the competitiveness and competency i wish we could see from our team, both players and coaches.

That's not what I mean. 6 games into the season, based on this roster, where did you see our record?

1-5 seems about right, honestly.

1-5, 2-4... yes thats my pessimistic predication. But in admitting so, I would have thought the games would show me, ok i see what we can do, just need the right pieces here and there etc....

no, its not the pieces alone its also, in my opinion, on the staff....

maybe i'm just too butthurt and bitter from the Harbaugh fallout that i was forced to watch Tomsula then Kelly(which i wasnt a fan of to begin with but w.e. to get the ship righted) who really hasn't done more with little.

Welp...Harbaugh's gone thanks to that **** Baalke. Nothing we can do about that at this point.

My point is...we might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. We can't judge Kelly based on that.

[CalamityX12]

That's not what I mean. 6 games into the season, based on this roster, where did you see our record?

1-5 seems about right, honestly.

1-5, 2-4... yes thats my pessimistic predication. But in admitting so, I would have thought the games would show me, ok i see what we can do, just need the right pieces here and there etc....

no, its not the pieces alone its also, in my opinion, on the staff....

maybe i'm just too butthurt and bitter from the Harbaugh fallout that i was forced to watch Tomsula then Kelly(which i wasnt a fan of to begin with but w.e. to get the ship righted) who really hasn't done more with little.

Welp...Harbaugh's gone thanks to that **** Baalke. Nothing we can do about that at this point.

My point is...we might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. We can't judge Kelly based on that.

what else can i do but judge at this point? lol the niners gave me nothing to cheer/jeer about at this point lol

I'm reverting back to the nolan/sing days where i'm more concentrated on college football again for upcoming prospects...

[clyde21]

1-5, 2-4... yes thats my pessimistic predication. But in admitting so, I would have thought the games would show me, ok i see what we can do, just need the right pieces here and there etc....

no, its not the pieces alone its also, in my opinion, on the staff....

maybe i'm just too butthurt and bitter from the Harbaugh fallout that i was forced to watch Tomsula then Kelly(which i wasnt a fan of to begin with but w.e. to get the ship righted) who really hasn't done more with little.

Welp...Harbaugh's gone thanks to that **** Baalke. Nothing we can do about that at this point.

My point is...we might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. We can't judge Kelly based on that.

what else can i do but judge at this point? lol the niners gave me nothing to cheer/jeer about at this point lol

I'm reverting back to the nolan/sing days where i'm more concentrated on college football again for upcoming prospects...

Ditto.

I just think it's a terrible situation for Kelly. Not only are we devoid of talent, but the talent we do have doesn't necessarily fit within his philosophy (at least offensively). Kaepernick and Smith are better in a vertical type of offense, for instance. The one guy I though could thrive in Kelly's system was Ellington, but he got hurt in the preseason.

[CalamityX12]

Welp...Harbaugh's gone thanks to that **** Baalke. Nothing we can do about that at this point.

My point is...we might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. We can't judge Kelly based on that.

what else can i do but judge at this point? lol the niners gave me nothing to cheer/jeer about at this point lol

I'm reverting back to the nolan/sing days where i'm more concentrated on college football again for upcoming prospects...

Ditto.

I just think it's a terrible situation for Kelly. Not only are we devoid of talent, but the talent we do have doesn't necessarily fit within his philosophy (at least offensively). Kaepernick and Smith are better in a vertical type of offense, for instance. The one guy I though could thrive in Kelly's system was Ellington, but he got hurt in the preseason.

Don't you recall all the hype about Kap being a perfect fit to Kelly's plans etc?

[clyde21]

what else can i do but judge at this point? lol the niners gave me nothing to cheer/jeer about at this point lol

I'm reverting back to the nolan/sing days where i'm more concentrated on college football again for upcoming prospects...

Ditto.

I just think it's a terrible situation for Kelly. Not only are we devoid of talent, but the talent we do have doesn't necessarily fit within his philosophy (at least offensively). Kaepernick and Smith are better in a vertical type of offense, for instance. The one guy I though could thrive in Kelly's system was Ellington, but he got hurt in the preseason.

Don't you recall all the hype about Kap being a perfect fit to Kelly's plans etc?

It was garbage and uninformed. Kelly's offense is predicated on quick decision making, timing and rhythm. All weaknesses of Kaep. I said from day one he's a terrible fit.

[CalamityX12]

Don't you recall all the hype about Kap being a perfect fit to Kelly's plans etc?

It was garbage and uninformed. Kelly's offense is predicated on quick decision making, timing and rhythm. All weaknesses of Kaep. I said from day one he's a terrible fit.

Option this, option that!!!Read this, read that!!!

i felt the offense would've been hindered more so by the WRs than the QB before the season.... ha, looks 50/50

[clyde21]

Don't you recall all the hype about Kap being a perfect fit to Kelly's plans etc?

It was garbage and uninformed. Kelly's offense is predicated on quick decision making, timing and rhythm. All weaknesses of Kaep. I said from day one he's a terrible fit.

Option this, option that!!!Read this, read that!!!

i felt the offense would've been hindered more so by the WRs than the QB before the season.... ha, looks 50/50

Option offense is a gimmick. Kelly's offense is almost exclusively based on quick decision making on underneath and intermediate passes. Which means that QB needs to have a quick release, really good eye-discipline and outstanding ball placement. Really none of these things are hallmarks of what Kaepernick is as a QB. This is why I though Jared Goff would've been a perfect here.

Kaepernick is more of a one or two-read, i-Formation play-action, vertical passing QB. Give him one or two reads, then take off an run. That is when he was at his best.

[wartyOne]

It was garbage and uninformed. Kelly's offense is predicated on quick decision making, timing and rhythm. All weaknesses of Kaep. I said from day one he's a terrible fit.

Option this, option that!!!Read this, read that!!!

i felt the offense would've been hindered more so by the WRs than the QB before the season.... ha, looks 50/50

Option offense is a gimmick. Kelly's offense is almost exclusively based on quick decision making on underneath and intermediate passes. Which means that QB needs to have a quick release, really good eye-discipline and outstanding ball placement. Really none of these things are hallmarks of what Kaepernick is as a QB. This is why I though Jared Goff would've been a perfect here.

Kaepernick is more of a one or two-read, i-Formation play-action, vertical passing QB. Give him one or two reads, then take off an run. That is when he was at his best.

Totally off topic of the thread (and I don't know how much more Baalke/York bashing is healthy for me at this point anyway), but I saw an episode of Hard Knocks (by chance; I don't regularly watch it) where Chris Weinke was giving Goff grief for not knowing the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. He wasn't arguing that the Earth rotates as it revolves around the sun, and therefore the sun doesn't actually rise (though a DLineman did point this out to him). He legitimately was unaware that in the morning the sun appears to come up in the East. How does one get into college without such basic abilities as observing directions? Given that, how does he not get lost getting into and out of his car? Regardless of his ability to complete passes and avoid sacks.

[wco81]

He's from Sacramento.

Probably didn't take classes too seriously at Berkeley, though his last year there, he was spotted in a financial planning class of some kind.

[ChrisPozz]

Option this, option that!!!Read this, read that!!!

i felt the offense would've been hindered more so by the WRs than the QB before the season.... ha, looks 50/50

Option offense is a gimmick. Kelly's offense is almost exclusively based on quick decision making on underneath and intermediate passes. Which means that QB needs to have a quick release, really good eye-discipline and outstanding ball placement. Really none of these things are hallmarks of what Kaepernick is as a QB. This is why I though Jared Goff would've been a perfect here.

Kaepernick is more of a one or two-read, i-Formation play-action, vertical passing QB. Give him one or two reads, then take off an run. That is when he was at his best.

Totally off topic of the thread (and I don't know how much more Baalke/York bashing is healthy for me at this point anyway), but I saw an episode of Hard Knocks (by chance; I don't regularly watch it) where Chris Weinke was giving Goff grief for not knowing the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. He wasn't arguing that the Earth rotates as it revolves around the sun, and therefore the sun doesn't actually rise (though a DLineman did point this out to him). He legitimately was unaware that in the morning the sun appears to come up in the East. How does one get into college without such basic abilities as observing directions? Given that, how does he not get lost getting into and out of his car? Regardless of his ability to complete passes and avoid sacks.

Check out a decent chunk of the kinds of kids that come into the NFL today and you'll see how likely it is for that type of stuff to happen. It's never been sadder than it is now IMO.

[RedneckNiner]

Lets not get into the state of education... If it isn't needed to be memorized for a standards test its not taught. We teach kids more of what to think now than we do how to think.