Amsterdam wrote:CJackson wrote:Amsterdam wrote:
That's all you got to say? Typical
You're the one always looking for some engagement. I gave you more than enough today and instead of you providing the solution to Syria you expect me to provide it for you.
THERE ARE NO GOOD SOLUTIONS, but go ahead and tell us what yours is.
Full Withdrawal?
More aid to the rebels?
Invasion?
Don't frigging quiz me if you're not willing to step up and state what the solution is
There are no good solutions, period. Russia with their S-400 missle system theoretically just imposed their own no-fly zone in Syria.
Turkey was working through channels to friend up with Russia and so a coup was setup and failed. Now Turkey has closed off access to weaponzie the terrorist in Aleppo from their country. As long as Russia gives them the Syrian north (done) and a new gas contract (done). So the U.S. and friend's move to over-throw Assad looks bleak
My feeling was that Hillary was also supposed to go after Iran as pressure from Isreal mounts and Obama refused. But Iran is teaming up with Russia and others on a huge gas pipeline, hence the Syrian conflict and so that's not that clear now.
The balkanization of the Middle East since Saddam has not gone easy and we are finding ourselves in about 5 minor conflicts and another huge one in Syria.
Will Hillary try to confront Russia straightup or back off Syria and give up the Saudi/US/Qatar gas pipeline dream.
If Arab Spring is any indication,.it appears that she, like Bush, is ready to push the neo globalists agenda.
Inauguration is January 20th so the ball remains in Obama's court for months still even though she will soon be pulled tighter into the loop and they'll work on some kind of policy hand-off agreement.
Syria is the perfect story for ideologues to cherry pick their version of failure. In Obama's case, he damned if he went hard at Assad years ago and tried to do an outright invasion and damned if straddled the fence as he often has. It was a no-win scenario. You must know that.
Look at the forces going at it Syria. There was never a true upper hand established so you had rival factions battering one another. Just bad enough to continually ruin the country and terrorize the population, but not bad enough that there was a decisive outcome.
Another reason I'm sick of the ideological finger pointing is there are NO GOOD GUYS in this drama.
I was pointing out earlier that things like your disgust for being in bed with bad actors is old as the hills. There are no good solutions here and there are no good partners. Everyone involved are killers and psychopaths. The rebels should have been the good guys, but 4-5 years of this turns everyone into mutants. It's a hot, nasty place and everyone wants to kill each other.
But I think really honest people who are just being blunt without making it about the election will at least admit there was never going to be a happy ending in Syria.
Russian involvement is part of the omelette. There will be some form of deterrence, but they definitely got the upper hand with their installation of missiles on the ground.
What will happen is more infusions and involvement of advisors, but so far that has often failed badly. In some cases, spectacularly. The money spent has been huge and the results miserable. But to expect no involvement at this point is unrealistic so put in your mouth guard it might get bumpy, but it will not be WW3.
I was taking a stand against hysteria and co-opting serious issues to abet Trump's entertainment career. You may not think this is about Trump, but you see all of the lemmings who do think it is and that Trump has a frigging clue which he doesn't. If you recall, the general who spoke on his behalf at the RNC has completely lost his marbles. Trump only attracts fellow looney bin inhabitants. So I was addressing this even if you were not.
And no Obama did not set up a coup in Turkey. You see, this is the kind of stuff I'm challenging you on. It's bogus fear mongering. Zero Hedge and Tyler Durden or Debka are not your friends. They have their own agendas too. Zero Hedge is sometimes very compelling simply because of their sheer audacity, but they are more of a theorist with a website than a news organization. Debka has often had excellent information not seen in the mainstream papers and I do agree it is good to read it.
And IMO your obsession with pipelines should be balanced with the simple assertion that the U.S. is still a whore to the Saudis. That is the bigger story ultimately than Syria, though it all intermingles in the end.
The U.S. is screwing over Yemeni's now to appease SA which has built an obsession over subjugating Yemen. Eventually, Saudi will have its Fall of Rome scenario come to pass. Through their own corrupution, hubris, inattention to domestic issues and over-extension into external conflicts the Saudis will eventually fall and some new chaos will erupt in the ME yet again.
If I had my druthers we'd just stay out of all of it. The cardinal sin was meddling with Iraq. That was Pandora's box. I think what you sometimes conflate as a completely well-orchestrated conspiracy is more often in reality stressed out career officials trying to figure WTF to back and who to cut loose. It is very reactive and any real long-term planning for the outcome of the ME is in the realm of mice and men and ultimately out of Clinton's control.
So stay or go? Cede the whole region to the Russians? You know that won't happen. So if you are upset by our associations, get used to it. Nobody is clean and everyone is dirty.
