Political Roundtable Part X

payitforward · Post #1841 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:27 am

Am I to believe that some number of you actually believe that US Presidential elections -- any of them -- have been "rigged"? If so, congratulations: you're completely nuts. Off your rocker. And I do understand that it's not easy to get into that state; it takes work!

Or am I to believe that some number of you believe that this election is, will be, or could be "rigged"? Is that what you think? If so, again, you are mad as a hatter.

Probably the saddest part of a misconception of this kind is thinking that power and control in this country depends in a major way or is exercised in a decisive way based on Presidential elections. If anything, rigging elections would sabotage the people's belief that (at least to some degree) sovereign power is connected to at least some kind of expression of sovereignty by the people. No one who exercises power and control in this country wants that to happen, as it undermines the possibility of any kind of civil government.

A famous marketing story poses this scenario: someone has an ice cream stand on a long stretch of beach - lets say a 2-mile stretch of beach. Guy's doing a heck of a lot of business, and the lines are long, so you think -- "hey there's room in this market (i.e. on this beach) for a second ice cream stand; I'm going to start it."

The question is: where do you put your ice cream stand on that 2-mile beach? Where's the best place to locate it? I assume everyone knows the answer, but I'll put it behind a spoiler anyway:

Spoiler:

tontoz · Post #1842 » by **tontoz** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:46 am

payitforward wrote:Am I to believe that some number of you actually believe that US Presidential elections -- any of them -- have been "rigged"? If so, congratulations: you're completely nuts. Off your rocker. And I do understand that it's not easy to get into that state; it takes work!

Or am I to believe that some number of you believe that this election is, will be, or could be "rigged"? Is that what you think? If so, again, you are mad as a hatter.

Probably the saddest part of a misconception of this kind is thinking that power and control in this country depends in a major way or is exercised in a decisive way based on Presidential elections. If anything, rigging elections would sabotage the people's belief that (at least to some degree) sovereign power is connected to at least some kind of expression of sovereignty by the people. No one who exercises power and control in this country wants that to happen, as it undermines the possibility of any kind of civil government.

A famous marketing story poses this scenario: someone has an ice cream stand on a long stretch of beach - lets say a 2-mile stretch of beach. Guy's doing a heck of a lot of business, and the lines are long, so you think -- "hey there's room in this market (i.e. on this beach) for a second ice cream stand; I'm going to start it."

The question is: where do you put your ice cream stand on that 2-mile beach? Where's the best place to locate it? I assume everyone knows the answer, but I'll put it behind a spoiler anyway:
Spoiler:
right next to the first ice cream stand - right next to the other guy -- and that's how American politics works as well. And I assume its relevance to "Republican vs. Democrat" is obvious.

If you have any quotes where someone claimed an election was "rigged" feel free to share. I won't hold my breath.

What has been stated is that voter fraud is common. People are (and have in the past) tried to used illegal means to influence elections. Their success, or lack thereof, is debatable.

AFM · Post #1843 » by **AFM** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:48 am

payitforward wrote:Am I to believe that some number of you actually believe that US Presidential elections -- any of them -- have been "rigged"? If so, congratulations: you're completely nuts. Off your rocker. And I do understand that it's not easy to get into that state; it takes work!

Or am I to believe that some number of you believe that this election is, will be, or could be "rigged"? Is that what you think? If so, again, you are mad as a hatter.

Probably the saddest part of a misconception of this kind is thinking that power and control in this country depends in a major way or is exercised in a decisive way based on Presidential elections. If anything, rigging elections would sabotage the people's belief that (at least to some degree) sovereign power is connected to at least some kind of expression of sovereignty by the people. No one who exercises power and control in this country wants that to happen, as it undermines the possibility of any kind of civil government.

A famous marketing story poses this scenario: someone has an ice cream stand on a long stretch of beach - lets say a 2-mile stretch of beach. Guy's doing a heck of a lot of business, and the lines are long, so you think -- "hey there's room in this market (i.e. on this beach) for a second ice cream stand; I'm going to start it."

The question is: where do you put your ice cream stand on that 2-mile beach? Where's the best place to locate it? I assume everyone knows the answer, but I'll put it behind a spoiler anyway:
Spoiler:
right next to the first ice cream stand - right next to the other guy -- and that's how American politics works as well. And I assume its relevance to "Republican vs. Democrat" is obvious.

Your metaphor makes no sense. HRC would have the first ice cream stand owner Vince Fostered, err, I mean Seth Riched, and then she would open her own stand.

JWizmentality · Post #1844 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:19 am

Why is Trump recreating his SNL skit of the 1st debate?

payitforward · Post #1845 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:24 am

AFM wrote:
payitforward wrote:Am I to believe that some number of you actually believe that US Presidential elections -- any of them -- have been "rigged"? If so, congratulations: you're completely nuts. Off your rocker. And I do understand that it's not easy to get into that state; it takes work!

Or am I to believe that some number of you believe that this election is, will be, or could be "rigged"? Is that what you think? If so, again, you are mad as a hatter.

Probably the saddest part of a misconception of this kind is thinking that power and control in this country depends in a major way or is exercised in a decisive way based on Presidential elections. If anything, rigging elections would sabotage the people's belief that (at least to some degree) sovereign power is connected to at least some kind of expression of sovereignty by the people. No one who exercises power and control in this country wants that to happen, as it undermines the possibility of any kind of civil government.

A famous marketing story poses this scenario: someone has an ice cream stand on a long stretch of beach - lets say a 2-mile stretch of beach. Guy's doing a heck of a lot of business, and the lines are long, so you think -- "hey there's room in this market (i.e. on this beach) for a second ice cream stand; I'm going to start it."

The question is: where do you put your ice cream stand on that 2-mile beach? Where's the best place to locate it? I assume everyone knows the answer, but I'll put it behind a spoiler anyway:
Spoiler:
right next to the first ice cream stand - right next to the other guy -- and that's how American politics works as well. And I assume its relevance to "Republican vs. Democrat" is obvious.

Your metaphor makes no sense. HRC would have the first ice cream stand owner Vince Fostered, err, I mean Seth Riched, and then she would open her own stand.

Dude... I like you. You're funny and very original. Step out of the muck, won't you please?

AFM · Post #1846 » by **AFM** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:31 am

payitforward wrote:
AFM wrote:
payitforward wrote:Am I to believe that some number of you actually believe that US Presidential elections -- any of them -- have been "rigged"? If so, congratulations: you're completely nuts. Off your rocker. And I do understand that it's not easy to get into that state; it takes work!

Or am I to believe that some number of you believe that this election is, will be, or could be "rigged"? Is that what you think? If so, again, you are mad as a hatter.

Probably the saddest part of a misconception of this kind is thinking that power and control in this country depends in a major way or is exercised in a decisive way based on Presidential elections. If anything, rigging elections would sabotage the people's belief that (at least to some degree) sovereign power is connected to at least some kind of expression of sovereignty by the people. No one who exercises power and control in this country wants that to happen, as it undermines the possibility of any kind of civil government.

A famous marketing story poses this scenario: someone has an ice cream stand on a long stretch of beach - lets say a 2-mile stretch of beach. Guy's doing a heck of a lot of business, and the lines are long, so you think -- "hey there's room in this market (i.e. on this beach) for a second ice cream stand; I'm going to start it."

The question is: where do you put your ice cream stand on that 2-mile beach? Where's the best place to locate it? I assume everyone knows the answer, but I'll put it behind a spoiler anyway:
Spoiler:
right next to the first ice cream stand - right next to the other guy -- and that's how American politics works as well. And I assume its relevance to "Republican vs. Democrat" is obvious.

Your metaphor makes no sense. HRC would have the first ice cream stand owner Vince Fostered, err, I mean Seth Riched, and then she would open her own stand.

Dude... I like you. You're funny and very original. Step out of the muck, won't you please?

But papa, I'm a dirty boy!!!

payitforward · Post #1847 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:56 am

Man, I can't wait to never have to see that low-life's face ever again. I hope this defeat is overwhelming, humiliating, as I think that's the only thing certain to sideline him. What an ****. No special characters hiding the word, because what an **** he is cannot be hidden.

payitforward · Post #1848 » by **payitforward** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:58 am

payitforward wrote:Man, I can't wait to never have to see that low-life's face ever again. I hope this defeat is overwhelming, humiliating, as I think that's the only thing certain to sideline him. What an ****. No special characters hiding the word, because what an **** he is cannot be hidden.

Realgm added the "special characters" -- replaced the word I wrote. And, AFM, I guess my having written it in the first place disqualifies me from beckoning you to rise from the muck, huh? :wink:

closg00 · Post #1849 » by **closg00** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:03 am

Mic drop moment:

On the day when I was in the situation room monitoring the raid that brought Osama Bin Laden to justice, he was hosting The Celebrity Apprentice.

AFM · Post #1850 » by **AFM** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:20 am

payitforward wrote:
payitforward wrote:Man, I can't wait to never have to see that low-life's face ever again. I hope this defeat is overwhelming, humiliating, as I think that's the only thing certain to sideline him. What an ****. No special characters hiding the word, because what an **** he is cannot be hidden.

Realgm added the "special characters" -- replaced the word I wrote. And, AFM, I guess my having written it in the first place disqualifies me from beckoning you to rise from the muck, huh?

There is an art to evading RealGM's language filter. Just don't ever use it on the general board, unless you want to be permanently banned. Not even Nate vouching for me helped. RIP Nate wherever you are

AFM · Post #1851 » by **AFM** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:23 am

I'm assuming Nate commited seppuku after Trump's legendary awful debate performance tonight. "I'M NO PUPPET! YOU'RE THE PUPPET! BELIEVE ME!!" lmao

Will you accept the results of the election? "WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THERE, I'LL KEEP YOU IN SUSPENSE!!!" :lol:

JWizmentality · Post #1852 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:25 am

Man, I'm sure Kelly Ann Conway is the a smart gal, but damn does she play dumb c*nt well defending Trump.

FAH1223 · Post #1853 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:45 am

Trump is preparing the victimization narrative for when he loses with the accepting the results talk. He's going to launch his TV network and already started using a hashtag for it. #TrumpTV was trending on his FB Live feed earlier.

tontoz · Post #1854 » by **tontoz** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:36 am

Trump is toast. In the end i think he will regret running for President. His brand has always been his main priority and running for President certainly seems to have hurt his brand. It put a spotlight on his character flaws, which people are far more willing to accept from a reality show host as opposed to a Presidential candidate.

dckingsfan · Post #1855 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:04 pm

tontoz wrote:Trump is toast. In the end i think he will regret running for President. His brand has always been his main priority and running for President certainly seems to have hurt his brand. It put a spotlight on his character flaws, which people are far more willing to accept from a reality show host as opposed to a Presidential candidate.

Boys will be boys. And boys will be reality TV show hosts.

But boys will not be President.

closg00 · Post #1856 » by **closg00** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:24 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Trump is preparing the victimization narrative for when he loses with the accepting the results talk. He's going to launch his TV network and already started using a hashtag for it. #TrumpTV was trending on his FB Live feed earlier.

We have seen what kind of man Trump, it's all about him. Trump goes out a sore lose and into Trump TV.

AFM · Post #1857 » by **AFM** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:39 pm

Would Rubio have defeated Clinton?

EDIT- Marco Rubio, not Ricky Rubio. Although that's a good question to. Would Ricky Rubio have defeated HRC?

Post #1858 » by **montestewart** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:19 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Man, I'm sure Kelly Ann Conway is the a smart gal, but damn does she play [really?] well defending Trump.

I'm guessing that most women repelled by Trump's characterization of women would likewise be repelled by your use of a gender specific ep*thet in characterizing Conway, who is merely doing what most Trump advocates, male and female, are doing. Hasn't the locker room talk excuse worn itself out?

keynote · Post #1859 » by **keynote** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:46 pm

That's a bad hombre wearing a bad ombre chambray.

Ed Wood · Post #1860 » by **Ed Wood** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:50 pm

Conway has taken subtle steps to present herself as a serious minded professional who despairs at Trump's lack of self control and generally does not find her personal views overlapping with his but who is doing the job set before her. From a long term professional standpoint I think she has correctly assessed that it's better for her future prospects to have been an amoral, mercenary professional then a genuine advocate of what Trump has been peddling.