OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[League Circles]

I don't remember that at all, actually.

I remember him getting beat by a Secret Muslim though.

I was actually never able to understand the appeal of Romney at all. At least I can understand the appeal of Trump, troubling as it may be. GWB had no appeal but had the right family. McCain, Bill Clinton, Obama, Kerry etc all have aspects of them that let you understand why they appeal to some folks.

I was never able to figure it out about Romney.

[the ultimates]

Here is just one link from Newsweek. You really think Russia has tried to hack the state department or department of defense before?

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/15/russias-greatest-weapon-may-be-its-hackers-328864.html

I asked for a basis for your comment that Clinton and Powell used private a email/server to avoid being hacked by Russia. You have not provided any basis. You can't provide a basis since there is none because your comment makes no sense. It's just a partisan reflex to defend Clinton ("BUT RUSSIA!").

Just like it's partisan to investigate Clinton for using unsecured means of communication but not Powell? Again why would Powell use equipment to knowingly get around state department servers especially when talking to world leaders. Nothing will convince you short of Putin admitting it.

[GetBuLLish]

Just like it's partisan to investigate Clinton for using unsecured means of communication but not Powell? Again why would Powell use equipment to knowingly get around state department servers especially when talking to world leaders. Nothing will convince you short of Putin admitting it.

You're not getting it, but ok.

[the ultimates]

Just like it's partisan to investigate Clinton for using unsecured means of communication but not Powell? Again why would Powell use equipment to knowingly get around state department servers especially when talking to world leaders. Nothing will convince you short of Putin admitting it.

You're not getting it, but ok.

Na, I get it just fine.

[DuckIII]

Just like it's partisan to investigate Clinton for using unsecured means of communication but not Powell? Again why would Powell use equipment to knowingly get around state department servers especially when talking to world leaders. Nothing will convince you short of Putin admitting it.

You're not getting it, but ok.

Not that being critical of Clinton's email is limited to party politics, but who are you voting for?

[TimRobbins]

Trump is simply way to hilarious not to be elected.

[RedBulls23]

I think Trump is funny like an idiot/jackass that is funny to laugh at, not with. No one sane wants that idiot/jackass to be the leader of our nation though.

[TimRobbins]

I think Trump is funny like an idiot/jackass that is funny to laugh at, not with. No one sane wants that idiot/jackass to be the leader of our nation though.

Disagree. I would enjoy the comedy. Hillary would just be sad.

[Bulls23Nation]

Disagree. I would enjoy the comedy. Hillary would just be sad.

Tragicomedy

[Mech Engineer]

Not to mention Trump won the GOP primary.

Trump isn't losing because the establishment is scared of him. He's losing because the majority of Americans know he is repugnant and dangerous.

Moreover, let's not misstate why Trump has support. It's not because normal people are yearning for an outsider. Its because racist, sexist, xenophobes became marginalized by political, legal and mainstream social institutions over the last 10 years and finally found someone repulsive enough to actually build a campaign on their prejudices. Its no more complex and no less sickening than that.

People don't realize how offensive/scary he is to anyone who are outside of his base.

The thing I don't understand is how as a businessman who has built a lot of things compared to a career lawyer/politician is running on the agenda of declining coal and steel industry after multiple decades of failure. A successful/confident businessman would have told these folks that he can build new types of industries and can get them working in those new industries which doesn't require them to be some elite college grads. He has such a fake agenda that almost anyone can see through it.

[TeK]

I get what you are saying, but in this particular instance, I cannot fathom a scenario that could be edited out. What they say is just too damning. I even posted pics that the people who were on the ground. causing these issues were on the Hillary payroll. Unless these new O'keefe videos are CGI, there is no way they could have been skewed because they are literally videos of the individuals admitting to highly illegal and beyond unethical tactics. These are people of power who have resign/been fired since.

O'keefe's history aside, these two videos are not some insane conspiracy theory.

Once again you cant edit "You know what happened in Chicago and AZ? That was us" - Said by a person CONFIRMED to be on Hillary's payroll from her website.

Now this wasnt even mentioned anywhere by the media. If it was trump(without any proof)it would be on the breaking news,so they can bash him like they always do about anything.

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

Yea, that's splendid. Using your own argument, 6 influential DNC people are on tape saying how they are planning on manipulating the public vote by eliciting violent bird dogging and going as far as paying for illegal votes in the O'Keefe videos...

Sorry if you find potential sexual indecency to be more important than the potential cheating and defrauding of an electoral system.

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

[TheSuzerain]

There have been no videos that have come out that detail any actual voting fraud.

[TeK]

There have been no videos that have come out that detail any actual voting fraud.

You're absolutely correct. There merely detail bragging about it.

[waffle]

I think Trump is funny like an idiot/jackass that is funny to laugh at, not with. No one sane wants that idiot/jackass to be the leader of our nation though.

Disagree. I would enjoy the comedy. Hillary would just be sad.

then you my friend, probably shouldn't vote. Sad is worse than likely likely total fiasco? Funny is more important that competence?

You really need to think this through more.

[waffle]

Now this wasnt even mentioned anywhere by the media. If it was trump(without any proof)it would be on the breaking news,so they can bash him like they always do about anything.

W/o any proof??!? 9 women have come forward saying he inappropriately groped them. His own words are on tape. No proof?

And the thing is, Trump's sexism and history of sexual assault isn't even his worst trait! The fact that he keeps claiming he won't accept the results of the election is extremely dangerous b/c it motivates nut bags to do the things nut bags do.

Yea, that's splendid. Using your own argument, 6 influential DNC people are on tape saying how they are planning on manipulating the public vote by eliciting violent bird dogging and going as far as paying for illegal votes in the O'Keefe videos...

Sorry if you find potential sexual indecency to be more important than the potential cheating and defrauding of an electoral system.

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

I don't think those folks were DNC.

[DanTown8587]

Sorry if you find potential sexual indecency to be more important than the potential cheating and defrauding of an electoral system.

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

1. Voting is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect voter fraud works against the idea that voting should have active participation. Significantly less people would vote if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing votes of people who tend to be Democrats.
2. The incidence rate of voter fraud is literally almost zero. Numerous people have studied this and disagree with the idea that voter fraud is happening or could happen. For a variety of reasons.
3. The system is incredibly complicated and hard to "rig".
4. The "evidence" you're using is still not credible.
5. This idea (that the election is rigged) is not reviewing something and coming up with the conclusion that potential voter fraud happened or is happening; this idea is taking an OUTCOME (Hillary winning )and saying that it is CLEARLY the result of malfeasance without any proof. It's why almost every conspiracy theory is wrong: instead of using the evidence to create an assumption, you're looking for evidence that SUPPORTS your assumption.

[coldfish]

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

I don't get the complaint with voter ID laws.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ohio+voter+id+laws&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=va/2/10/m.05kkh

There is Ohio. I have great difficulty believing that there is anyone who can't comply with that. What am I missing?

[Bascitball]

Sorry if you find potential sexual indecency to be more important than the potential cheating and defrauding of an electoral system.

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

1. Voting is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect voter fraud works against the idea that voting should have active participation. Significantly less people would vote if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing votes of people who tend to be Democrats.

1. Owning guns is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect against gun fraud works against the idea that gun ownership should have active participation. Significantly less people would own guns if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing gun rights of people who tend to be Americans.

But seriously, how do you function as a human being without an ID in 2016? This topic will never be debated in an intellectually honest way. How many people don't have a valid form of ID? Do we really want those people to be able to vote? Would requiring an ID make dishonest people think twice about committing fraud? If requiring an ID doesn't work, then why do we require it for so many other things in life? Can you even entertain the idea that people in favor of voter ID laws have good intentions?

[The 6ft Hurdle]

Sorry if you find potential sexual indecency to be more important than the potential cheating and defrauding of an electoral system.

Why would anyone agree to accepting the results of an election 3days after videos come out detailing voter fraud? This is beyond mind numbing and the logic here is dumbfounding.

DNC: "It's racist to ask for an ID to vote" *mind explodes*

So I need an ID to take out a library book, but certainly don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. It's literally insane.

1. Voting is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect voter fraud works against the idea that voting should have active participation. Significantly less people would vote if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing votes of people who tend to be Democrats.

1. Owning guns is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect against gun fraud works against the idea that gun ownership should have active participation. Significantly less people would own guns if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing gun rights of people who tend to be Americans.

But seriously, how do you function as a human being without an ID in 2016? This topic will never be debated in an intellectually honest way. How many people don't have a valid form of ID? Do we really want those people to be able to vote? Would requiring an ID make dishonest people think twice about committing fraud? If requiring an ID doesn't work, then why do we require it for so many other things in life? Can you even entertain the idea that people in favor of voter ID laws have good intentions?

Watch on YouTube

[burlydee]

1. Voting is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect voter fraud works against the idea that voting should have active participation. Significantly less people would vote if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing votes of people who tend to be Democrats.

1. Owning guns is a basic right that should never be infringed upon. Requiring ID to protect against gun fraud works against the idea that gun ownership should have active participation. Significantly less people would own guns if ID is required and the reason for wanting ID is essentially suppressing gun rights of people who tend to be Americans.

But seriously, how do you function as a human being without an ID in 2016? This topic will never be debated in an intellectually honest way. How many people don't have a valid form of ID? Do we really want those people to be able to vote? Would requiring an ID make dishonest people think twice about committing fraud? If requiring an ID doesn't work, then why do we require it for so many other things in life? Can you even entertain the idea that people in favor of voter ID laws have good intentions?

Watch on YouTube

Good video. I'd also add many Republican legislatures have implemented laws to make it harder to vote. In Arizona, they only accept Arizona IDs. And you can only get an Arizona ID if you have a birth certificate. Every time you move to a different county within the state you have to proof you are a US citizen when you vote. That means you better keep up with your records. If you vote in the wrong polling station, they don't count your vote. If your ID and your address don't match, they may not let you vote. During the primary (I live in AZ if you didn't notice) they had as many polling locations in Phoenix (a majority-minority city) as they did in Fountain Hills, a suburb 1/12 the size

In Alabama and Wisconsin, after passing voter ID laws, they closed most of the DMV offices in poor and minority counties. These are deliberate tactics used by Republican legislatures to stop minorities from voting. A court found that in North Carolina the legislature passed laws specifically to keep African-Americans from voting - https://www.thenation.com/article/the-countrys-worst-anti-voting-law-was-just-struck-down-in-north-carolina/

That obviously doesn't bother some people, who boil it down to "What's the problem with getting an ID?" But if you do like the least bit of research, you'll understand the problems pretty easily and goes far beyond an ID. If Id's are so important, than why haven't we outlawed absentee ballots? Because absentee ballots are favored by older, white Republican voters. Add the fact that there has not been evidence of any widespread voter fraud, and you start to understand why minority communities are suspicious. I mean, there this whole 400 year history of not being allowed to vote, or having the right severely restricted, that kind of gets people on edge.