The Preseason Thread

Winglish · Post #341 » by **Winglish** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 pm

stitches wrote:
Winglish wrote:
BringtheD wrote:Blazers are probably better than most people want to give them credit.

I agree and I think they kind of have the Jazz's number. It's frustrating to watch.

It's weird because when they were supposedly better with Batum, Mathews and Aldridge and we were bad, we actually were matching up better against them and blew them out a couple of times that last year of the old Blazers, and now we can't hang with them.

It's because the Blazers are guard dominant and the Jazz have a strong frontcourt with a weaker backcourt.

Daddy 801 · Post #342 » by **Daddy 801** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:12 pm

I'd be willing to trade Neto and Mack away if both could acquire a first round pick. That would enable the Jazz to keep both Johnson and Withey. It would be brutal to start the year, (it's going to be regardless)but I think just about anytime you can trade a guy who is the 13th-15th best player on the roster for a first you do that trade.

A wing lineup(PG-SF) of Hill, Exum, Burks, Hood, Hayward, and the three Johnsons is more than good enough to deal with a lack of PG depth. If Hayward and Hood weren't such good ball handlers I wouldn't consider it, but since they are if I was DL and someone offers a first for both or either of them I pull the trigger.

stitches · Post #343 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:21 am

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This trade gets worse by the day. I can't believe they couldn't find another team to take on Pleiss for less. That's practically 3 second rounders to get rid off 3.5M in salary at a time when everybody has capspace. Yikes!

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #344 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:56 pm

stitches wrote:

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This trade gets worse by the day. I can't believe they couldn't find another team to take on Pleiss for less. That's practically 3 second rounders to get rid off 3.5M in salary at a time when everybody has capspace. Yikes!

I still think it would've made more sense to just buy him out. Didn't understand why they gave up so much.

stitches · Post #345 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:57 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
stitches wrote:

Read on Twitter

This trade gets worse by the day. I can't believe they couldn't find another team to take on Pleiss for less. That's practically 3 second rounders to get rid off 3.5M in salary at a time when everybody has capspace. Yikes!

I still think it would've made more sense to just buy him out. Didn't understand why they gave up so much.

Wait for it....

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #346 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:34 pm

Rumor has it that Iman Shumpert has become available in trade talks.

Any interest from the Jazz? Shelvin Mack + pick for Shumpert? He brings good defense, veteran experience and can shoot the 3 decently. Gives Cavs a salary dump and legit backup point guard. Jazz improve their bench even more.

From what I've seen in preseason so far, I feel like our perimeter defense could still use an upgrade.

stitches · Post #347 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:54 pm

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Hm.... that's tempting... I liked RJ Hunter coming out of college...

stitches · Post #348 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:04 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Rumor has it that Iman Shumpert has become available in trade talks.

Any interest from the Jazz? Shelvin Mack + pick for Shumpert? He brings good defense, veteran experience and can shoot the 3 decently. Gives Cavs a salary dump and legit backup point guard. Jazz improve their bench even more.

From what I've seen in preseason so far, I feel like our perimeter defense could still use an upgrade.

I wouldn't. I'm not the biggest Shumpert fan.

One of them is getting paid 10M dollars per year for the next 3 seasons. The other one is about to get cut by the Jazz...

Post #349 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:55 pm

stitches wrote:

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Hm.... that's tempting... I liked RJ Hunter coming out of college...

So they are practically giving RJ Hunter for free. Get it done, DL. That's like the Harkless giveaway last season. No risk involved, hardly any costs at all. Plenty of room to profit.

As for the Pleiss deal, yeah, that was lame. Jazz tried to get too cute with it, should have just bought him out.

stitches · Post #350 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:00 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:

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Hm.... that's tempting... I liked RJ Hunter coming out of college...

So they are practically giving RJ Hunter for free. Get it done, DL. That's like the Harkless giveaway last season. No risk involved, hardly any costs at all. Plenty of room to profit.

As for the Pleiss deal, yeah, that was lame. Jazz tried to get too cute with it, should have just bought him out.

The cost is losing Jeff Withey...

Post #351 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:04 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hm.... that's tempting... I liked RJ Hunter coming out of college...

So they are practically giving RJ Hunter for free. Get it done, DL. That's like the Harkless giveaway last season. No risk involved, hardly any costs at all. Plenty of room to profit.

As for the Pleiss deal, yeah, that was lame. Jazz tried to get too cute with it, should have just bought him out.

The cost is losing Jeff Withey...

There is always a catch :nonono:

Maybe we'd make an additional roster spot available by thinning the PG logjam a bit? I'm just hoping.

stitches · Post #352 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:06 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:

So they are practically giving RJ Hunter for free. Get it done, DL. That's like the Harkless giveaway last season. No risk involved, hardly any costs at all. Plenty of room to profit.

As for the Pleiss deal, yeah, that was lame. Jazz tried to get too cute with it, should have just bought him out.

The cost is losing Jeff Withey...

There is always a catch Maybe we'd make an additional roster spot available by thinning the PG logjam a bit? I'm just hoping.

Raul Neto + second or RJ Hunter? That's the other option if a PG trade is not feasible. Waive Neto and trade for Hunter.

Post #353 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:08 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:The cost is losing Jeff Withey...

There is always a catch Maybe we'd make an additional roster spot available by thinning the PG logjam a bit? I'm just hoping.

Raul Neto + second or RJ Hunter? That's the other option if a PG trade is not feasible. Waive Neto and trade for Hunter.

Nah, in that case we should get something else back. Neto isn't a world-beater but he's not a scrub either. Maybe we could make two separate deals, Like Neto to the Cavs or Nets or any other team looking for a PG for...something (2nd round pick?) and then deal with Boston. Probably not going to happen.

stitches · Post #354 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:14 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
There is always a catch Maybe we'd make an additional roster spot available by thinning the PG logjam a bit? I'm just hoping.

Raul Neto + second or RJ Hunter? That's the other option if a PG trade is not feasible. Waive Neto and trade for Hunter.

Nah, in that case we should get something else back. Neto isn't a world-beater but he's not a scrub either. Maybe we could make two separate deals, Like Neto to the Cavs or Nets or any other team looking for a PG for...something (2nd round pick?) and then deal with Boston. Probably not going to happen.

Jazz get RJ Hunter
Cavs get Raul Neto
BOS get 2019 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers or Minnesota (less favorable)

Post #355 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:15 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:
Raul Neto + second or RJ Hunter? That's the other option if a PG trade is not feasible. Waive Neto and trade for Hunter.

Nah, in that case we should get something else back. Neto isn't a world-beater but he's not a scrub either. Maybe we could make two separate deals, Like Neto to the Cavs or Nets or any other team looking for a PG for...something (2nd round pick?) and then deal with Boston. Probably not going to happen.

Jazz get RJ Hunter
Cavs get Raul Neto
BOS get 2019 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers or Minnesota (less favorable)

Sold!

KqWIN · Post #356 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:33 pm

I think I'd rather have Chris Johnson than Hunter. I was a fan of Hunter out of the draft, but he was bad in the D-League/Summer League.

pickIBL · Post #357 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:01 am

Inglis just got waived...

babyjax13 · Post #358 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:12 am

pickIBL wrote:Inglis just got waived...

I don't see where he fits with this team, especially since he can't seem to fit anywhere. He doesn't seem to do anything particularly well, which is really disappointing. But maybe it is an opportunity thing, or he can be developed? Either way, I just don't see it happening here, but if we added him to the dleague team that would be awesome.

babyjax13 · Post #359 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:20 am

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
stitches wrote:
Raul Neto + second or RJ Hunter? That's the other option if a PG trade is not feasible. Waive Neto and trade for Hunter.

Nah, in that case we should get something else back. Neto isn't a world-beater but he's not a scrub either. Maybe we could make two separate deals, Like Neto to the Cavs or Nets or any other team looking for a PG for...something (2nd round pick?) and then deal with Boston. Probably not going to happen.

Jazz get RJ Hunter
Cavs get Raul Neto
BOS get 2019 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers or Minnesota (less favorable)

Why don't we just trade one of our second round picks from next year for him, then parlay Neto into a more favorable second rounder? Or alternatively, just trade Neto for a pick and wait for Hunter to be waived?

stitches · Post #360 » by **stitches** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:14 am

babyjax13 wrote:
stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Nah, in that case we should get something else back. Neto isn't a world-beater but he's not a scrub either. Maybe we could make two separate deals, Like Neto to the Cavs or Nets or any other team looking for a PG for...something (2nd round pick?) and then deal with Boston. Probably not going to happen.

Jazz get RJ Hunter
Cavs get Raul Neto
BOS get 2019 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers or Minnesota (less favorable)

Why don't we just trade one of our second round picks from next year for him, then parlay Neto into a more favorable second rounder? Or alternatively, just trade Neto for a pick and wait for Hunter to be waived?

Because we don't have the roster spots. You can fit only one of Neto, Withey and Hunter unless you trade or waive one of them. Also, you are not sure if they will waive Hunter, rather than Young, and you are not sure whether somebody else will claim him before you. This way you maximize the chance(100%) you get the one you want(Hunter) while minimizing the cost(somebody you would have to waive if you want Hunter).

Of course they do this only if they value Hunter more than Neto. If not, they don't do it.