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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1281 » by reub » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:16 am

KingDavid wrote:
ClydeRules wrote:So Obama and company are attacking Mosul and civilians are being used as human shields and dying.. Are we responsible for killing innocents and committing genocide there?

Huh? The US is in Mosul now?

I thought we only aided them in training and advisment...



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The Clinton and Trump Foundations Are Vastly Different. Here’s How. 

Post#1282 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:21 pm

The Clinton and Trump Foundations
Are Vastly Different. Here’s How.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/22/us/elections/clinton-trump-foundation-comparison-criticism.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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What Do the Foundations Do?

The Clinton Foundation


The Clinton Foundation sponsors programs in public health, economic development, women’s rights and climate change. Much of its work has been praised, including efforts to lower the price of AIDS medication and distribute it to children.

But the foundation hasn’t always succeeded. In Haiti, its signature project after the 2010 earthquake — the Caracol Industrial Park — has provided only a fraction of the jobs promised, and those are low paying.

The Trump Foundation

The Trump Foundation is more traditional in that it directs charitable donations to causes selected by the Trump family.

Mr. Trump has sent some of his foundation’s biggest checks to the United Way, the American Cancer Society and NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital. He has also made donations to police unions, conservative advocacy groups and the personal foundations of famous athletes.

How Large Are the Foundations, and Who Funds Them?

The Clinton Foundation

The Clinton Foundation is a giant among world charities, raising an estimated $2 billion through 2016 and employing around 2,000 people. According to Bill Clinton, the foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative have helped more than 435 million people in 180 countries.

The Clinton Foundation is largely funded by third parties (including foreign governments), other major foundations and billionaire admirers of the foundation’s work.

The Trump Foundation

Mr. Trump’s foundation is modest in size, with no paid staff and a board that is composed of Mr. Trump, his three oldest children and the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer. The Trumps estimate that they each spend half an hour a week on foundation work. Mr. Trump has donated $5.4 million to his foundation over the years, according to tax filings.

Until the 2007 housing market crash, the foundation was primarily funded with Mr. Trump’s money. Since then the foundation has been funded mostly by other people's donations, which is unusual for a family foundation.

How Have the Foundations Been Criticized?

The Clinton Foundation

The Trump campaign has accused the Clinton Foundation of being a conduit for wealthy business people seeking to influence the Clintons, particularly when Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state.

The Clintons maintain that no special favors were done for foundation donors, and that no special access was given to the State Department.

But it’s easy to see how the appearance of a conflict of interest could arise, with foreign governments and business people making large donations to the foundation.

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During Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, Douglas J. Band, an adviser to Bill Clinton and then head of the foundation’s Clinton Global Initiative, emailed her staff to ask for a diplomatic introduction for Gilbert Chagoury, a Lebanese-Nigerian industrialist and one of the foundation’s major donors, saying that he’s a “key guy there and to us.”

The Trump Foundation

Recent reporting on the Trump Foundation, primarily from The Washington Post, has centered on Mr. Trump’s repeated use of foundation money to make donations that simultaneously helped him solve a personal or business problem.

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Here’s an example: After Mr. Trump put up a flagpole at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla., that was higher than the town allowed, the town council began fining him for every day it remained in place. Mr. Trump sued.

The case was eventually settled with Mr. Trump agreeing to donate $100,000 to charity, according to The Washington Post. But the donation came from the Trump Foundation instead of Mr. Trump himself. Using charity money to satisfy a personal lawsuit is typically considered to be self-dealing, an illegal use of nonprofit foundation funds.

The New York Times reported in September that Mr. Trump’s foundation does not show up on the charity registers in many states, highlighting how the foundation at times has not complied with non-profit regulations.
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Re: The Clinton and Trump Foundations Are Vastly Different. Here’s How. 

Post#1283 » by Ganji » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:31 pm

CJackson wrote:The Clinton and Trump Foundations
Are Vastly Different. Here’s How.

Just 5.7 percent of the Clinton Foundation’s massive 2014 budget actually went to charitable grants, according to the tax-exempt organization’s IRS filings. The rest went to salaries and employee benefits, fundraising and “other expenses.”

The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants.

That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.

Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”


http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/just-5-7-percent-of-clinton-foundation-budget-actually-went-to-charity/

–Bill and Hillary Clinton had helped a Canadian financier named Frank Giustra and a small Canadian company obtain a lucrative uranium mining concession from the dictator in Kazakhstan;

–The same Canadian company, renamed Uranium One, bought uranium concessions in the United States;

–The Russian government came calling and sought to buy that Canadian company for a price that would mean big profits for the Canadian investors;

–For the Russians to buy that Canadian company, it would require the approval of the Obama administration, including Hillary’s State Department, because uranium is a strategically important commodity;

–Nine shareholders in Uranium One just happened to provide more than $145 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation in the run-up to State Department approval;

–Some of the donations, including those from the Chairman of Uranium One, Ian Teler, were kept secret, even though the Clintons promised to disclose all donations;

–Hillary’s State Department approved the deal;

–The Russian government now owns 20 percent of U.S. uranium assets.


http://www.breitbart.com/hillary-clinton/2016/05/01/one-year-silence-hillary-clinton-uranium-deal/
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1284 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:43 pm

Right, Ganji. Breitbart again.

Charity Watch is the non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

Alt-Right links don't debunk that
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1285 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:49 pm

What Alt-Right organizations propagate is the kind of information lazy people don't bother to dissect

What they are doing is the following:

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

As you can see there, the line item "Program Expenses" says (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers)

Breitbart sees that and pretends program expenses means they are keeping the money. Steve Bannon is a BS artist
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1286 » by Knickerbock » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:53 pm

It's not lookin good for Trump... If Hilary gets Ohio... It's all over
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1287 » by Ganji » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:56 pm

CJackson wrote: non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information

these non partisan organizations seam to have always have ties to leftists, Soros and other commie dirt bags.
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Re: RE: Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1288 » by GONYK » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:59 pm

Knickerbock wrote:It's not lookin good for Trump... If Hilary gets Ohio... It's all over

If Hillary wins Florida, Ohio won't even matter. Trump has almost no path to victory.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1289 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:59 pm

Knickerbock wrote:It's not lookin good for Trump... If Hilary gets Ohio... It's all over


It's already over, just a matter of by how much. Trump has lost so many women and military vets from his previous pool of possible voters that he can never win.

Pussy-Gate triggered a big reaction.

There was an article that described how many women told their spouses for the first time about prior instances of sexual abuse in their live.

What was interesting was it either brought people together or drove them apart. Some couples have split up after arguing over Pussy-Gate when the man sides with the locker-room talk theme and his spouse is not having it.

But others bonded over it and in many cases that means less votes for Trump as the wife takes her husband with her and they bail on Trump.

It's over
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1290 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:00 pm

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CJackson wrote: non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information


these non partisan organizations seam to have always have ties to leftists, Soros and other commie dirt bags.


OK Ganji, that's really interesting
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1291 » by Ganji » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:03 pm

CJackson wrote:Right, Ganji. Breitbart again.

Charity Watch is the non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

Alt-Right links don't debunk that


looks legit

Read on Twitter


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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1292 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:06 pm

Ganji wrote:
CJackson wrote:Right, Ganji. Breitbart again.

Charity Watch is the non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

Alt-Right links don't debunk that


looks legit

Read on Twitter


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I'm not feeling like being too hard on you so if you can't deal with my previous response and your counter is they accept money from oil barons then you've got nothing.

I don't give a crap where the money comes from frankly when it is actually used to save millions of lives. You can call it blood money if it makes you happy and I won't care.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1293 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:17 pm

CJackson wrote:What Alt-Right organizations propagate is the kind of information lazy people don't bother to dissect

What they are doing is the following:

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

As you can see there, the line item "Program Expenses" says (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers)

Breitbart sees that and pretends program expenses means they are keeping the money. Steve Bannon is a BS artist


You have to admit, that is an awful lot of overhead - not unlike a lot of charities, which enrich those at the top of it, or honestly, just pay too much to it's upper echelon staff. Sorry, don't buy the "we have to compete to get those guys". It's the same things the banks say to justify excessive CEO salaries, huge bonuses etc.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt the Clinton foundation does good. I also have no doubt the are simultaneously enriching themselves.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1294 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:19 pm

CJackson wrote:
Ganji wrote:
CJackson wrote: non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information


these non partisan organizations seam to have always have ties to leftists, Soros and other commie dirt bags.


OK Ganji, that's really interesting



What's funny, is friends I have always yell "SOROS FUNDS LEFT OF CENTER CAUSES! OMG!", yet strangely mute on the Koch brothers (among others).

I mean, I suspect they both suck, but you figure if your stance is rooting out the evil influence of money on the government and the big government chicanery, then both would bother you equally.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1295 » by duetta » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:23 pm

Ganji wrote:
CJackson wrote: non-partisan watchdog for charitable organizations recognized as a reliable source of information

these non partisan organizations seam to have always have ties to leftists, Soros and other commie dirt bags.


Non-partisan means non partisan. Evidently, the educational system is failing humanity.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1296 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:24 pm

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CJackson wrote:What Alt-Right organizations propagate is the kind of information lazy people don't bother to dissect

What they are doing is the following:

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

As you can see there, the line item "Program Expenses" says (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers)

Breitbart sees that and pretends program expenses means they are keeping the money. Steve Bannon is a BS artist


You have to admit, that is an awful lot of overhead - not unlike a lot of charities, which enrich those at the top of it, or honestly, just pay too much to it's upper echelon staff. Sorry, don't buy the "we have to compete to get those guys". It's the same things the banks say to justify excessive CEO salaries, huge bonuses etc.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt the Clinton foundation does good. I also have no doubt the are simultaneously enriching themselves.


No, what I'm saying is Program Expenses does mean money disbursed to specific causes.

What trips up many is the distinctions between a Foundation that distributes money to other charities and a charity that spends money itself on specific causes. They do both. There are initiatives funded directly by the Clinton Foundation which fall under Program Expenses where it is acting as the charity while they also disburse money to other charities.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1297 » by Ganji » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:25 pm

CJackson wrote:I'm not feeling like being too hard on you so if you can't deal with my previous response and your counter is they accept money from oil barons then you've got nothing.

what's the point? I can't link you leftist news source you would trust, and non partisan journalism is non existent at this point. Left and almost all the media made a bet that Clinton will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, you put all media and leftist movement credibility on her after Obama and his wall street buddies had a way with us.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1298 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:25 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
CJackson wrote:
Ganji wrote:
these non partisan organizations seam to have always have ties to leftists, Soros and other commie dirt bags.


OK Ganji, that's really interesting



What's funny, is friends I have always yell "SOROS FUNDS LEFT OF CENTER CAUSES! OMG!", yet strangely mute on the Koch brothers (among others).

I mean, I suspect they both suck, but you figure if your stance is rooting out the evil influence of money on the government and the big government chicanery, then both would bother you equally.


What gets me is the Trump lemmings who post Breitbart links don't somehow compute that BREITBART IS TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER and they want to claim this is a news source. Seriously lame
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1299 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:26 pm

Ganji wrote:
CJackson wrote:I'm not feeling like being too hard on you so if you can't deal with my previous response and your counter is they accept money from oil barons then you've got nothing.

what's the point? I can't link you leftist news source you would trust, and non partisan journalism is non existent at this point. Left and almost all the media made a bet that Clinton will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, you put all media and leftist movement credibility on her after Obama and his wall street buddies had a way with us.
I'll just enjoy the show.

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Read below. BREITBART IS TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER, yet you think it is a news source. The joke is on you sucker.

You posted bogus links and provided NO ANALYSIS OF YOUR OWN.

I countered with analysis and now you get flustered. Sorry, can't help you
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1300 » by Ganji » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:What's funny, is friends I have always yell "SOROS FUNDS LEFT OF CENTER CAUSES! OMG!", yet strangely mute on the Koch brothers (among others).

I mean, I suspect they both suck, but you figure if your stance is rooting out the evil influence of money on the government and the big government chicanery, then both would bother you equally.


I hate them as much as Soros, and they teamed up with him to help Hilary maintain the status quo

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/koch-brothers-now-supporting-hillary-clinton.html
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