Has your view of Mark Cuban changed?

[oceanlife]

My view of him hasn't changed. His only really poor decision imo was blowing up the championship team. Granted, that team was old as dirt so it probably didn't have much of a window in terms of longevity, but keeping them together for a couple more years would have been smart imo.

Everything he's done post-championship has been simply to keep Dirk happy. Dirk's more than on the record as saying he refuses to play on a rebuilding roster, so Cuban's loyalty to Dirk has forced his hand in trying anything and everything to keep the Mavs competitive. He's brought in talented guys...

I would count getting rid of Steve Nash in '04 and spending the money on Erick Dampier as just as big of a blunder. Even at the time it was obviously a foolish move. Damp had just done the typical contract year thing where he'd play to inflate his counting stats while Nash was a two time all star.

The first part of the logic was that Nash was getting old. Maybe, he was 29 after all, but Damp was 28. Second part was that the Mavs needed someone to stop Shaq. Except it was [Activate Stephen A Smith Voice] ERICK FREAKIN DAMPIER[/SAS]. Shaq torched the guy anyway.

[13th Man]

Yes, after Matthews and Barnes.

[papidulo]

Ironically, hes basically the NBA's Jerry Jones; a loud, billionaire celebrity owner who tries to make splashy moves by signing players with name recognition. (trading crowder for rondo, losing out on Deandre Jordan, over-the-hill Deron WIlliams)

He might not be the GM in title, bc he doesn't deal with all the paperwork, but when it comes to courting free agents, that's basically all him.

The Mavs are just stuck on the "treadmill of mediocrity", where they're good enough to compete but not win it all, and not bad enough to get a good draft pick.


From a players perspective, he probably will always be considered a good owner, bc you can never say he's not trying to make moves to make the team better, but I don't see this team becoming a factor again until Dirk retires.

[Cyrusman122000]

Absolutely I used to think he was a cool chill guy. Now after seeing him being all over Hilary Clinton ass, and saying all these political comments and being a jerk I'm suddenly super annoyed by him and not a fan. Thank god Peter holt isn't like that

[Daddy 801]

Seems like a cool owner. Says some funny things in interviews. Not sure what him and the GM are doing with some of those contracts.

Unfortunately he supported a murdering sociopath for the president so that sucks.

[becausephilchow]

Cuban's a great owner.

[Teen Girl Squad]

Cuban's a great owner.

Yup. Great owner with one 'fatal' flaw (aka being the worst drafting team in the league). I cannot fathom how a team as analytically driven and as well coached has managed to not get at least a Jordan Clarkson, let alone a DeAndre or Draymond. No one is hitting 1.000 but most every team has managed to find at least 1 late gem.

[BasketballFan21]

Dal's management is the most overrated in the game. They have consistently signed terrible contracts, never recruited a top tier free agent, and their underperformance in the draft is well established.

Cuban inherited Nash and Dirk...yet people treat him like a hero for turning around the Mavericks. Well no duh, there were two hof players on the roster.

They did hire Carlisle though and have managed to keep him despite the weak rosters. That is impressive.

[dorkestra]

A luckier version of Daniel Snyder

[becausephilchow]

Cuban's a great owner.

Yup. Great owner with one 'fatal' flaw (aka being the worst drafting team in the league). I cannot fathom how a team as analytically driven and as well coached has managed to not get at least a Jordan Clarkson, let alone a DeAndre or Draymond. No one is hitting 1.000 but most every team has managed to find at least 1 late gem.

Though, not sure if you can pin that onto Cuban though.

I guess you could say that he's the owner, who hires the GM, who hires the scouts, but still.

[qm22]

No, he's pretty much the same as ever. A slightly more informed than average basketball fan who was rich enough to buy the Mavericks. An emotional decision maker, and obviously, an emotional/biased speaker. Beyond Mavs homerism, feels like he's full of himself.

Nowitizki and Carlisle were great moves, but he has many more terrible ones. I don't know directly, but one must infer that he irks many people when he fails to get good free agents. He is willing to spend on perks, give generous contracts, in a state with no income tax, yet he fails to get his targets.

His post 2011 moves have been terrible.
-Lets Tyson Chandler go. An OK risk, but he didn't have any backup plan.
-Gives up assets for a half-season of Rondo, who was obviously a terrible fit.
-Signs Chandler Parsons to a gigantic contract. A 15 PER player who saw himself as an all-star. It seemed like Cuban just did the signing because he thought it would be sticking it to Morey. Yes, he "ruined" Morey's plan to resign him with a massive overpay. Then he realizes he has to keep Parsons sorry ass with the cap-space from money Dirk gave up.
-Tries to sign DeAndre to be the face of the franchise. He didn't but it's the thought that counts when we are talking about his decision making. Yeesh.
-Huge risk on Wes Matthews.
-Huge, huge risk with Harrison Barnes.

I think it's OK for GMs to make calculated risks that fail but he seems to prefer to only make the most crazy risks possible.

Consistent with short-sighted and emotional decision making/thinking.

I never watched his reality TV show (saw it on some TVs at the gym sometimes) where he considers investing in other peoples ideas. After thinking about his GM record I'm morbidly curious at how his track record there is (though not curious enough to actually watch).


edit: This is a little unimportant and OT but possibly revealing of Cuban's personality, but I want to mention it because it's so bizarre ... did anyone ever see Cuban on some Dallas (I think) low-budget TV show? For some reason I randomly saw it on at like 3AM one day. It was somehow stupid enough to be memorable. There was some kid with some sort of guardian/coach/teacher and a basketball team, and apparently I had tuned in after Mark did something very charitable for them. I can remember the cheesy acting of the kid heaping praise on Mark Cuban and asking (IIRC) why there are people that great around, and the guardian-guy said: "that's just because Mark Cuban is like that. Mark Cuban is a great human being.". I wish I could find what it was because it's so hilarious and screams gif material. I don't know what it was, but I got to think Mark paid and wrote it himself. tl;dr Mark Cuban may have a bit of an ego.

[Purch]

Call me crazy, but I'll always prefer that Peter Holt style of ownership. Pop and RC are always speakin on just how benifical it is to have an owner that allows you to do your job. Everyone's able to play their role without having to be second guessed by ownership.

[Texas Chuck]

My view of him hasn't changed. His only really poor decision imo was blowing up the championship team. Granted, that team was old as dirt so it probably didn't have much of a window in terms of longevity, but keeping them together for a couple more years would have been smart imo.

Everything he's done post-championship has been simply to keep Dirk happy. Dirk's more than on the record as saying he refuses to play on a rebuilding roster, so Cuban's loyalty to Dirk has forced his hand in trying anything and everything to keep the Mavs competitive. He's brought in talented guys...

I would count getting rid of Steve Nash in '04 and spending the money on Erick Dampier as just as big of a blunder. Even at the time it was obviously a foolish move. Damp had just done the typical contract year thing where he'd play to inflate his counting stats while Nash was a two time all star.

The first part of the logic was that Nash was getting old. Maybe, he was 29 after all, but Damp was 28. Second part was that the Mavs needed someone to stop Shaq. Except it was [Activate Stephen A Smith Voice] ERICK FREAKIN DAMPIER[/SAS]. Shaq torched the guy anyway.

Couple things:

1. Obviously Nash is a billion times better than Damp, but Dallas was a better team with a defensive center next to Dirk and building the team defensive first around Dirk was the right move. Move looks terrible on paper, but in reality it worked out great for the team.

2. Damp actually played Shaq okay. See the 06 Finals as exhibit A. Obviously Shaq also had some big games against him over their careers--he is freaking Shaq, but Dampier was probably a top 3 or 4 choice to defend him at the time.

No if you want to fault the Mavs FO for anything it would be breaking up the 2003 team. Now part of that was they were scared about Rafe's knees and that huge contract they gave him, but that 2003 team was really good and perhaps without that Dirk injury in the WCF, a champion that year.

[Texas Chuck]

Dal's management is the most overrated in the game. They have consistently signed terrible contracts, never recruited a top tier free agent, and their underperformance in the draft is well established.

Cuban inherited Nash and Dirk...yet people treat him like a hero for turning around the Mavericks. Well no duh, there were two hof players on the roster.

They did hire Carlisle though and have managed to keep him despite the weak rosters. That is impressive.

All of this is true.

But if you are going to mention their failures in FA and the draft, you need to look at their track record in trades--its stellar. Cuban's willingness to spend huge prior to this CBA allowed the Mavs to take advantage of team after team in trades just by eating some contracts. It's how a team that couldn't draft or sign free agents won 50 games for a decade.

[Moahst]

My view of Mark Cuban changes all the time. Most recently I've been swayed by his political trolling into loving the man again. Usually I find him obnoxious though.

[jpengland]

He's a great owner.

He's made mistakes and the drafting has been TERRIBLE. Yet he has brought a championship and an exceptionally consistent successful team to Dallas.

The knock on his ability to sign marquee free agents is stupid IMO. Few teams/owners manage to do so. It's not a Cuban or a Dallas issue at all.

[Def Swami]

I wish my team's owner cared half as much as Cuban does about their team.

[DeezRaptors]

as a Toronto fan,

at least you guys have a face to love/hate.. all we can say is MLSE or bell and rogers is cheap.

and raptors are owned by 2 media giants whose main interests is profits. that being said, at least they've taken a more hands off approach vs dolan or ranadive. i would definitely would prefer to have a mark cuban/steve ballmer passionate guy than a corporation for an owner. unless of course if your owner is jeffrey loria in the MLB or donald sterling, then i'd rather have the corporation.

Touching on the raptors ownership aspect, they actually aren't cheap. We haven't even been able to get any free agents cause they don't look here. They just gave demar a max contract, wasn't cheap at all. We pay our guys the going rate for the most part.

As for Cuban, he's very passionate and he gets hate sometimes for being out spoken but its his team Lol he can act how he wants. That just shows he's in it cause he loves the game. I'm sure most owners are in it for the money as the main factor. He is one of the best sport owners

[Heat_team02]

Yes. Ever since he became a Hillary shill last year I can't stand hearing his voice. He should sell his stakes as Mavs owner and concentrate on politics and money markets instead. Right now, he's so desperate to draw talent that he overpaid for Barnes who made 3.8 million last season ( gave him the Max) & he's telegraphing his desire to sign Demarcus Cousins 2 years from now. That's pretty desperate.

[qm22]

The knock on his ability to sign marquee free agents is stupid IMO. Few teams/owners manage to do so. It's not a Cuban or a Dallas issue at all.

Most teams aren't in as desirable markets like the Mavs either. A lot of players with roots in Texas, who own homes there, and there is no state tax, and there was an MVP teammate who would succeed with a lot of top FAs too. Houston has gotten a lot of stars and interest (even though Harden and TMac were through trades it seems like they would have gotten both anyway). Dallas has huge advantages in FA.