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Who are you voting for?

Trump
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22%
Hillary
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50%
Jill Stein
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Gary Johnson
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Other
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#721 » by Bascitball » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:16 am

burlydee wrote:
Bascitball wrote:One of the things that really shows how Clinton thinks of voters is her willingness to continue lying about the same topic like we're too stupid or powerless to matter. It's telling of what she thinks of average people IMO.

My example is the sequence of lies related to the private email server (ok, so 67% will stop reading as soon as they see this topic - that's your prerogative). It's not just the lies, it's the sequence that I'm intrigued by. And I don't care what others did - that's off topic. I care about her choices. She acted like a child caught stealing a cookie and began with small lies. As the parent sees through them, the child tells more and more lies instead of just coming clean (except coming clean for Hillary would mean prison - and that is not an exaggeration or a scare tactic - it's the penalty for what she did).

I'm too lazy to look this stuff up right now, so this is from memory:

1. When the private server questions surfaced, her first response was that it was for convenience - one device. (pretty clearly not true since she used many devices simultaneously)
2. She then claimed it was permitted by law to have a private server (because she thinks we're dumb).
3. When that wasn't good enough she claimed that all her work related emails were turned over and the only thing left were yoga schedules and wedding plans (which she and her staff deleted, bleached, and smashed devices with hammers - no red flags are raised by those that support her?)
4. When that response wasn't ending the controversy, she moved on to say that there were no emails marked classified at the time they were sent or received (how is this possible for a person in her position? She did not have a state department email account to separately handle classified information, so is she saying that she never dealt with classified info at all?) Also, according to law, they don't have to be marked classified, a person in that position is required to determine this based on the content, but whatever.
5. Then it was proven that some emails were marked with a [c] for classified, and her sad response was that she didn't know what that meant (wow). She said she thought it was like a list a, b, c. OK, where was the a and the b in those emails then? (just another lie that shows how stupid she thinks we are)

It's just spin, deflect, outright lie, play dumb - anything thrown against the wall (just like the kid caught red handed stealing). Any person with integrity would not have run for office after all this.

Add to all this Bill and Lynch meeting on the plane (do any of you believe this was a chance encounter?)
If this is how Washington thinks of us average citizens and how Washington works, a protest vote against the establishment is well deserved. If Trump has even a 1% chance of going to Washington and knocking things around - that's worth a shot. We know Clinton has 0% chance of ending the corruption.

If the government is unwilling to hold politicians to a high standard of ethics (even when caught with plenty of evidence), then my vote is the only voice I have to "prosecute" the corrupt politician.


I don't care about the email server b/c the underlying crime she is being accused of is having an additional email server. Who gives a ****? And if integrity is so important to you, why would you vote for Trump.

According to politifact, a nonpartisan organization, a full 70% of Trump's statements have been lies. The vast majority of his statements rate as "mostly false" "false" or "pants-on-fire".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

So please, stop pretending like you care about the comparable integrity of the two candidates. By every independent measure, Clinton has been found to be significantly less misleading than Donald Trump.


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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#722 » by waffle » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:27 am

you don't refute his general point of SCALE. You redirect. That's a tactic, not an argument.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#723 » by DuckIII » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:34 am

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Not surprising that we've arrived at the name-calling part of the discussion. And I highly respect this board for its willingness to respect less popular opinions.


Trump supporter complaining about name calling . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:


Politicians are terrible role models, but we do not need to treat each other this way.


Sometimes we really do. Trump is a racist. He's a mysogynist. He's a religious bigot. He's xenophobic.

Anyone who supports him is recognized for who they are. He's done us all the favor of transparent identification. You don't get to support a candidate of hatred from the high road. You do it from the gutter.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#724 » by RedBulls23 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:49 am

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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#725 » by cocktailswith_2short » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:50 am

Have you pillars of society had enough corruption yet ? Of course you haven't . And yet Hillary would run over you with a tank and not even bother to slow down or stop.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#726 » by The 6ft Hurdle » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:16 am

Bascitball wrote:
burlydee wrote:
Bascitball wrote:One of the things that really shows how Clinton thinks of voters is her willingness to continue lying about the same topic like we're too stupid or powerless to matter. It's telling of what she thinks of average people IMO.

My example is the sequence of lies related to the private email server (ok, so 67% will stop reading as soon as they see this topic - that's your prerogative). It's not just the lies, it's the sequence that I'm intrigued by. And I don't care what others did - that's off topic. I care about her choices. She acted like a child caught stealing a cookie and began with small lies. As the parent sees through them, the child tells more and more lies instead of just coming clean (except coming clean for Hillary would mean prison - and that is not an exaggeration or a scare tactic - it's the penalty for what she did).

I'm too lazy to look this stuff up right now, so this is from memory:

1. When the private server questions surfaced, her first response was that it was for convenience - one device. (pretty clearly not true since she used many devices simultaneously)
2. She then claimed it was permitted by law to have a private server (because she thinks we're dumb).
3. When that wasn't good enough she claimed that all her work related emails were turned over and the only thing left were yoga schedules and wedding plans (which she and her staff deleted, bleached, and smashed devices with hammers - no red flags are raised by those that support her?)
4. When that response wasn't ending the controversy, she moved on to say that there were no emails marked classified at the time they were sent or received (how is this possible for a person in her position? She did not have a state department email account to separately handle classified information, so is she saying that she never dealt with classified info at all?) Also, according to law, they don't have to be marked classified, a person in that position is required to determine this based on the content, but whatever.
5. Then it was proven that some emails were marked with a [c] for classified, and her sad response was that she didn't know what that meant (wow). She said she thought it was like a list a, b, c. OK, where was the a and the b in those emails then? (just another lie that shows how stupid she thinks we are)

It's just spin, deflect, outright lie, play dumb - anything thrown against the wall (just like the kid caught red handed stealing). Any person with integrity would not have run for office after all this.

Add to all this Bill and Lynch meeting on the plane (do any of you believe this was a chance encounter?)
If this is how Washington thinks of us average citizens and how Washington works, a protest vote against the establishment is well deserved. If Trump has even a 1% chance of going to Washington and knocking things around - that's worth a shot. We know Clinton has 0% chance of ending the corruption.

If the government is unwilling to hold politicians to a high standard of ethics (even when caught with plenty of evidence), then my vote is the only voice I have to "prosecute" the corrupt politician.


I don't care about the email server b/c the underlying crime she is being accused of is having an additional email server. Who gives a ****? And if integrity is so important to you, why would you vote for Trump.

According to politifact, a nonpartisan organization, a full 70% of Trump's statements have been lies. The vast majority of his statements rate as "mostly false" "false" or "pants-on-fire".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

So please, stop pretending like you care about the comparable integrity of the two candidates. By every independent measure, Clinton has been found to be significantly less misleading than Donald Trump.


Simple question: Why have statutes and laws if they are not enforced?

The FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing, couldn't find evidence...why have an FBI if we don't let them do their job?
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#727 » by DanTown8587 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:38 am

In "totally predictable and could see this coming news"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/breitbart-liberal-activist-230255#ixzz4O3KlZGxq

A liberal activist and organizer coordinated with reporters from the conservative news site Breitbart during the primaries to cover his disruptions of events for candidates such as Sen. Marco Rubio.

Aaron Black, an associate with Democracy Partners and a former Occupy Wall Street organizer, worked with the pro-Trump site Breitbart, tipping it off about his stunts, exchanging raw video and coordinating coverage, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.

Black has resurfaced recently as one of the people featured in undercover video from the Project Veritas group. In the video, he claims to work for the Democratic National Committee. Though he does not appear on their payroll, his bio at Democracy Partners credits him with "working closely with the Democratic National Committee" during the 2012 election cycle. Black in the video says he helped organize violent protests in Chicago that led to Trump's cancellation of a rally there in March.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#728 » by TimRobbins » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:09 am

DuckIII wrote:Sometimes we really do. Trump is a racist. He's a mysogynist. He's a religious bigot. He's xenophobic.

Anyone who supports him is recognized for who they are. He's done us all the favor of transparent identification. You don't get to support a candidate of hatred from the high road. You do it from the gutter.


I pretty much agree with all of the bolded statements. I suspect that the vast majority of Trump supporters would not deny any of this.

But, What is Hillary? There are two candidates in this race. Why are you ignoring the other one? How would you characterize Hillary? Those who support her don't do it from an even deeper gutter?
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#729 » by DanTown8587 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:34 am

TimRobbins wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Sometimes we really do. Trump is a racist. He's a mysogynist. He's a religious bigot. He's xenophobic.

Anyone who supports him is recognized for who they are. He's done us all the favor of transparent identification. You don't get to support a candidate of hatred from the high road. You do it from the gutter.


I pretty much agree with all of the bolded statements. I suspect that the vast majority of Trump supporters would not deny any of this.

But, What is Hillary? There are two candidates in this race. Why are you ignoring the other one? How would you characterize Hillary? Those who support her don't do it from an even deeper gutter?


They aren't equal on these points. They aren't even within the same realm of equality on these points. It's like saying that murder and battery are both crimes so they're both criminals.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#730 » by TimRobbins » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:57 am

DanTown8587 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Sometimes we really do. Trump is a racist. He's a mysogynist. He's a religious bigot. He's xenophobic.

Anyone who supports him is recognized for who they are. He's done us all the favor of transparent identification. You don't get to support a candidate of hatred from the high road. You do it from the gutter.


I pretty much agree with all of the bolded statements. I suspect that the vast majority of Trump supporters would not deny any of this.

But, What is Hillary? There are two candidates in this race. Why are you ignoring the other one? How would you characterize Hillary? Those who support her don't do it from an even deeper gutter?


They aren't equal on these points. They aren't even within the same realm of equality on these points. It's like saying that murder and battery are both crimes so they're both criminals.


Have you read the Podesta emails? Hillary is just as racist. Trump is simply more transparent. But let's go beyond racism, what else can you say about Hillary? What about the deleted emails? Clinton foundation? Attempted droning of Julian Assange?

So yeah, Trump is a clown/idiot. No argument here, but if I have to describe Hillary in one word adjectives, I would use: Psychopath, Corrupt, Evil.

So yeah, Trump is an idiot who can't even control his own mouth, but Hillary, that's a far deeper and far more dangerous gutter.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#731 » by DanTown8587 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:59 am

TimRobbins wrote:Have you read the Podesta emails? Hillary is just as racist.


This is laughable and not even close to objective.

Trump is simply more transparent. But let's go beyond racism, what else can you say about Hillary? What about the deleted emails? Clinton foundation? Attempted droning of Julian Assange?


Attempted droning of Julian Assange? Good try with that troll job.

So yeah, Trump is a clown/idiot. No argument here, but if I have to describe Hillary in one word adjectives, I would use: Psychopath, Corrupt, Evil.

So yeah, Trump is an idiot who can't even control his own mouth, but Hillary, that's a far deeper and far more dangerous gutter.


Ok. Your objectivity on this leaves a little to be desired so I'll just say good luck with your candidate come November 28th.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#732 » by TimRobbins » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:12 am

DanTown8587 wrote:This is laughable and not even close to objective.


Attempted droning of Julian Assange? Good try with that troll job.


Have you read the emails? It's all in there. I don't get people who want to live in denial.

DanTown8587 wrote:Ok. Your objectivity on this leaves a little to be desired so I'll just say good luck with your candidate come November 28th.


Neither one is "my candidate". They are both vile individuals. One, in my opinion, is more dangerous than the other.

Good luck with your candidate. I'm sure she'll do plenty of great things for this country. She seems like a great person who cares deeply about the welfare of the American people.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#733 » by fleet » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:10 am

burlydee wrote:
Bascitball wrote:One of the things that really shows how Clinton thinks of voters is her willingness to continue lying about the same topic like we're too stupid or powerless to matter. It's telling of what she thinks of average people IMO.

My example is the sequence of lies related to the private email server (ok, so 67% will stop reading as soon as they see this topic - that's your prerogative). It's not just the lies, it's the sequence that I'm intrigued by. And I don't care what others did - that's off topic. I care about her choices. She acted like a child caught stealing a cookie and began with small lies. As the parent sees through them, the child tells more and more lies instead of just coming clean (except coming clean for Hillary would mean prison - and that is not an exaggeration or a scare tactic - it's the penalty for what she did).

I'm too lazy to look this stuff up right now, so this is from memory:

1. When the private server questions surfaced, her first response was that it was for convenience - one device. (pretty clearly not true since she used many devices simultaneously)
2. She then claimed it was permitted by law to have a private server (because she thinks we're dumb).
3. When that wasn't good enough she claimed that all her work related emails were turned over and the only thing left were yoga schedules and wedding plans (which she and her staff deleted, bleached, and smashed devices with hammers - no red flags are raised by those that support her?)
4. When that response wasn't ending the controversy, she moved on to say that there were no emails marked classified at the time they were sent or received (how is this possible for a person in her position? She did not have a state department email account to separately handle classified information, so is she saying that she never dealt with classified info at all?) Also, according to law, they don't have to be marked classified, a person in that position is required to determine this based on the content, but whatever.
5. Then it was proven that some emails were marked with a [c] for classified, and her sad response was that she didn't know what that meant (wow). She said she thought it was like a list a, b, c. OK, where was the a and the b in those emails then? (just another lie that shows how stupid she thinks we are)

It's just spin, deflect, outright lie, play dumb - anything thrown against the wall (just like the kid caught red handed stealing). Any person with integrity would not have run for office after all this.

Add to all this Bill and Lynch meeting on the plane (do any of you believe this was a chance encounter?)
If this is how Washington thinks of us average citizens and how Washington works, a protest vote against the establishment is well deserved. If Trump has even a 1% chance of going to Washington and knocking things around - that's worth a shot. We know Clinton has 0% chance of ending the corruption.

If the government is unwilling to hold politicians to a high standard of ethics (even when caught with plenty of evidence), then my vote is the only voice I have to "prosecute" the corrupt politician.


I don't care about the email server b/c the underlying crime she is being accused of is having an additional email server. Who gives a ****? And if integrity is so important to you, why would you vote for Trump.

According to politifact, a nonpartisan organization, a full 70% of Trump's statements have been lies. The vast majority of his statements rate as "mostly false" "false" or "pants-on-fire".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

So please, stop pretending like you care about the comparable integrity of the two candidates. By every independent measure, Clinton has been found to be significantly less misleading than Donald Trump.

Fact checking is rigged.

Polls are phony polls.

Newspaper endorsements are phony (only trust the National Enquirer)

Election is rigged.

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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#734 » by RyGuy24 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:27 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:This is laughable and not even close to objective.


Attempted droning of Julian Assange? Good try with that troll job.


Have you read the emails? It's all in there. I don't get people who want to live in denial.

DanTown8587 wrote:Ok. Your objectivity on this leaves a little to be desired so I'll just say good luck with your candidate come November 28th.


Neither one is "my candidate". They are both vile individuals. One, in my opinion, is more dangerous than the other.

Good luck with your candidate. I'm sure she'll do plenty of great things for this country. She seems like a great person who cares deeply about the welfare of the American people.


So she joked about droning assange, in one single sentence, and the entire room laughed. She then called him a soft target in one sentence, and the room may or may have not laughed. At worst, it sounds like a joke that she tried to take a little too far. You act like she handed out detail plans to them.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#735 » by Hangtime84 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:35 pm

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Polls are phony polls.

Newspaper endorsements are phony (only trust the National Enquirer)

Election is rigged.

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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#736 » by coldfish » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:10 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Bascitball wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Trump supporter complaining about name calling . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:


Politicians are terrible role models, but we do not need to treat each other this way.


Sometimes we really do. Trump is a racist. He's a mysogynist. He's a religious bigot. He's xenophobic.

Anyone who supports him is recognized for who they are. He's done us all the favor of transparent identification. You don't get to support a candidate of hatred from the high road. You do it from the gutter.


That's ridiculous. Bill Clinton treated women like crap. Was every person who supported him a mysogynist? As I have noted before, Hillary is pro-abortion (like myself). Is everyone who supports her a murderer?

A more rational viewpoint is to admit that *some* Trump supporters are racist but that deciding that a candidate is the least bad does not mean a person agrees with every single thing that candidate has ever said, done or supported.

.......

If we are going to label supporters with the worst possible language based on which candidate they dislike the least, then every single person who has ever voted is pond scum.

I'm not a huge Michael Moore fan but I'll give the guy credit. He (and recently Obama) have been trying to reach out to Trump supporters in a much less nasty way in understanding their economic concerns.

The visceral hatred that the far right views the democratic party with is how we got Trump in the first place. Democrats responding in kind with "basket of deplorables" is not a positive for our country.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#737 » by Bascitball » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:13 pm

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:
Bascitball wrote:
burlydee wrote:
I don't care about the email server b/c the underlying crime she is being accused of is having an additional email server. Who gives a ****? And if integrity is so important to you, why would you vote for Trump.

According to politifact, a nonpartisan organization, a full 70% of Trump's statements have been lies. The vast majority of his statements rate as "mostly false" "false" or "pants-on-fire".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

So please, stop pretending like you care about the comparable integrity of the two candidates. By every independent measure, Clinton has been found to be significantly less misleading than Donald Trump.


Simple question: Why have statutes and laws if they are not enforced?

The FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing, couldn't find evidence...why have an FBI if we don't let them do their job?


By that logic, Trump is clean as a whistle since he hasn't been convicted of sexual assault or tax evasion. That is not necessarily the best measure of if it actually happened based on the state of our criminal justice system (especially for the rich, powerful, or well connected - which is both Trump and Clinton).

The FBI did NOT clear her of wrongdoing - just "decided" not to recommend that the AG indict her.
I guarantee if the George HW Bush had a private meeting with the Attorney General on a plane 1 day before the FBI interviewed his son, you'd be singing a different tune regarding the FBI. But let's all be good little sheep and deny all the collusion and corruption.

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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#738 » by TimRobbins » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:58 pm

RyGuy24 wrote:So she joked about droning assange, in one single sentence, and the entire room laughed. She then called him a soft target in one sentence, and the room may or may have not laughed. At worst, it sounds like a joke that she tried to take a little too far. You act like she handed out detail plans to them.


It wasn't a joke. She really didn't understand why you can't drone Assange and people needed to explain it to her. She's a psychotic lunatic.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#739 » by Jvaughn » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:26 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
RyGuy24 wrote:So she joked about droning assange, in one single sentence, and the entire room laughed. She then called him a soft target in one sentence, and the room may or may have not laughed. At worst, it sounds like a joke that she tried to take a little too far. You act like she handed out detail plans to them.


It wasn't a joke. She really didn't understand why you can't drone Assange and people needed to explain it to her. She's a psychotic lunatic.


Come on you can't be that naive. Do you really think she was expecting to be able to drone strike a foreign embassy to get at Assange? She was not being serious.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 3 - 10/19 

Post#740 » by TimRobbins » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:52 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Come on you can't be that naive. Do you really think she was expecting to be able to drone strike a foreign embassy to get at Assange? She was not being serious.


Doesn't anybody actually read the leak? She said "He's walking out in the open, why can't we drone him?". This was before him being secluded in the Ecuadorian embassy. Does that sound like a joke?

So the answer is yes - she was serious and she is a raving psychotic lunatic. The other guy isn't much better, but lets not delude ourselves about the next president. We are going to see a lot of military action with Hillary.

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