Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[Fo-Real]

I think without the bull from Jeff and the twins drama going away, Tucker gets back to being the perfect vet glue guy. He has been frustrated the last two years suffering through turmoil just like us and his attitude and energy has suffered. He gets back to the ultimate energy/positive influence for this team again. I think he will reestablish why TJ and many others have not been able to supplant him at sf. Tucker is an asset, he will play hard all the time, now maybe he can do it with a smile on his face again. REBIRTH OF MY MAN TUCK!!

[bwgood77]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/10/24/gm-ryan-mcdonough-makes-tough-phoenix-suns-roster-calls/92709208/

In the end, McDonough said they did not see a way Goodwin would play meaningful time in a fourth Suns season.

“We told Archie Goodwin and his agent at the end of last season that if there wasn’t going to be an opportunity for him to play going into the last year of his deal, that we would try to help him get to a good spot,” McDonough said. “We explored some trade scenarios throughout the summer and into the fall. We tried to help him get elsewhere in a trade.“

Unable to fulfill a trade request from the Goodwin camp, the Suns waived the 22-year-old with Jenkins sliding into the role of third-string off-guard behind Devin Booker and Leandro Barbosa.

While Goodwin was frustrated at times, Jenkins has been steadfast about wanting to be part of the Suns in any capacity. As he did in July, Jenkins again agreed this week to delay his contract guarantee date on a $1.05 million salary. This time, it was pushed to January.

There is a good chance that means they put in a waiver claim.

[lilfishi22]

There is a good chance that means they put in a waiver claim.

For who?

[bwgood77]

There is a good chance that means they put in a waiver claim.

For who?

I don't know. Tons of players got cut. Maybe not. They may just want to leave the option open to take back more players in a trade. Or I guess that helps his trade value since a team could trade from him and then cut him and not have to pay him.

[batsmasher]

There is a good chance that means they put in a waiver claim.

For who?

I don't know. Tons of players got cut. Maybe not. They may just want to leave the option open to take back more players in a trade. Or I guess that helps his trade value since a team could trade from him and then cut him and not have to pay him.

That's the more likely scenario imo. Jenkins seems to get along well with the players, so I doubt they'd just cut him behind his back without due notice.

[RaisingArizona]

Can Kerrsed or somebody else with a good design eye replace PJ for TJ?

[bwgood77]

TJ again gets punked. WTF?

He's gonna make everyone who doubted him look like fools.

Yeah, I saw this earlier before posted here and was thinking "No TJ? Wrong!"

[LukasBMW]

So with Archie gone, who is the most likely headcase?

Brandon Knight maybe? Everyone else should be happy campers.

[LukasBMW]

Derrick Jones Jr. definitely worth the gamble.
But I would love to have RJ Hunter over Jenkins tho.
Let's see what happens next.

7' Wingspan and 42" Max Vert?? Heck yeah.

6'7" but only 190 pounds. Dude is ridiculously skinny.

Even Marion was 220 pounds. Speaking of Marion, on paper they have a lot in common don't they:

-UNLV
-6'7"
-hops (Marion had a 41" max vert)
-Can catch lobs like nobody's business

One can dream. Archie wasn't the next Dwade, so maybe Jones Jr. can be the next Matrix to put next to our new Amare.

[lilfishi22]

Derrick Jones Jr. definitely worth the gamble.
But I would love to have RJ Hunter over Jenkins tho.
Let's see what happens next.

7' Wingspan and 42" Max Vert?? Heck yeah.

6'7" but only 190 pounds. Dude is ridiculously skinny.

Even Marion was 220 pounds. Speaking of Marion, on paper they have a lot in common don't they:

-UNLV
-6'7"
-hops (Marion had a 41" max vert)
-Can catch lobs like nobody's business

One can dream. Archie wasn't the next Dwade, so maybe Jones Jr. can be the next Matrix to put next to our new Amare.

And our new prime Joe Johnson (Booker) ?

[SideSwipe]

Watching the GS/SAS game tonight, and it's looking pretty apparent that GS is going to be missing starter quality length on the inside.

Got me thinking, if GSW sputters and PHX sputters out of the gate...

Chandler/Jenkins for Igoudala/McGee

GSW gets the defensive length they need on a timetable that matches theirs. PHX clears time for Alex to hopefully gain confidence, but still hedges the bet with the Shaqtin-a-fool poster boy. Igoudala and McGee are both expiring as well, which sets us up to play in next years FA sweepstakes again, or make another trade closer to the deadline to bring in a disgruntled star of some kind.

Steph/Klay/Durant/Green/Chandler

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/ Dudley/Len with a bench of Knight/Tucker/Igoudala/Chriss/McGee

Check out what the trade machine thinks of the idea...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hq5ntxn

Got to love the trade machine....that should get me some kind of award....

[LukasBMW]

Watching the GS/SAS game tonight, and it's looking pretty apparent that GS is going to be missing starter quality length on the inside.

Got me thinking, if GSW sputters and PHX sputters out of the gate...

Chandler/Jenkins for Igoudala/McGee

GSW gets the defensive length they need on a timetable that matches theirs. PHX clears time for Alex to hopefully gain confidence, but still hedges the bet with the Shaqtin-a-fool poster boy. Igoudala and McGee are both expiring as well, which sets us up to play in next years FA sweepstakes again, or make another trade closer to the deadline to bring in a disgruntled star of some kind.

Steph/Klay/Durant/Green/Chandler

Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/ Dudley/Len with a bench of Knight/Tucker/Igoudala/Chriss/McGee

Check out what the trade machine thinks of the idea...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hq5ntxn

Got to love the trade machine....that should get me some kind of award....

We'd be guaranteed at least a 34 win season!

[blee732]

So with Archie gone, who is the most likely headcase?

Brandon Knight maybe? Everyone else should be happy campers.

Sarver . Other than that, I would also vote for B-Knight, especially if we stay in lottery territory and he remains on the bench.

[blee732]

Regarding Cousins, I heard a radio interview with Isaiah Thomas where he basically said that Cousins is misunderstood (sort of). He said he comes off as menacing but he's a happy/positive presence in the locker room. He also quickly added that he's still scary since he's 6'11" 270...so there's still that.

For the record I'm not hoping for a Cousins trade. I think the asking price will be too high (even the Divac/Ranadive power couple can't screw it up....or can they?) and we'll have to outbid multiple teams. I'd rather stick with our talented core and go for a big FA again.

[Qwigglez]

Definitely isn't a locker room cancer IMO. Team USA seemed to enjoy each others company over the summer, I didn't hear any grumbling about Cousins then.

[lilfishi22]

Definitely isn't a locker room cancer IMO. Team USA seemed to enjoy each others company over the summer, I didn't hear any grumbling about Cousins then.

I see a lot of his personality issues seemingly borne from just frustration of being on a losing team and not having any sort of structure. I remember when the Kings fired Mike Malone, Boogie wasn't happy about it because even though they were losing, Malone brought structure and he was someone Boogie respected. Having a coach and structure he respected was big for him.

[carey]

Regarding Cousins, I heard a radio interview with Isaiah Thomas where he basically said that Cousins is misunderstood (sort of). He said he comes off as menacing but he's a happy/positive presence in the locker room. He also quickly added that he's still scary since he's 6'11" 270...so there's still that.

For the record I'm not hoping for a Cousins trade. I think the asking price will be too high (even the Divac/Ranadive power couple can't screw it up....or can they?) and we'll have to outbid multiple teams. I'd rather stick with our talented core and go for a big FA again.

You listen to LeBatard too? I listen to the podcast of the show every day. IT always sounds like he's half asleep and annoyed in his interviews.

Also, I agree. The price for Cousins isn't worth it to us right now. It would be to a team like Boston. Now, going after him as an FA in 2 seasons with all the cash we can muster? Different story.

[bwgood77]

I've never thought he was a cancer. Though the gifs that Gorilla Warfare has posted don't make him seem like a respectable player on floor all the time. Also, gone through SO many coaches, but that's not necessarily his fault...he obviously liked Malone.

[NavLDO]

Derrick Jones Jr. definitely worth the gamble.
But I would love to have RJ Hunter over Jenkins tho.
Let's see what happens next.

7' Wingspan and 42" Max Vert?? Heck yeah.

6'7" but only 190 pounds. Dude is ridiculously skinny.

Even Marion was 220 pounds. Speaking of Marion, on paper they have a lot in common don't they:

-UNLV
-6'7"
-hops (Marion had a 41" max vert)
-Can catch lobs like nobody's business

One can dream. Archie wasn't the next Dwade, so maybe Jones Jr. can be the next Matrix to put next to our new Amare.

I agree. How awesome would it be to not only have Bender, Chriss, Booker, and Warren be our future starters, but also have DJ Jr. as a 6th man role, energy-type off the bench. No, that's not a 'Matrix', but that's not a bad result for bringing in a guy off the street and have him develop into that type of player for us in a year or two...when he's still only 21...

This is why I'm against trading any of our youngsters for even a stud like Cousins. 1.) I'm afraid of the influence he might have on our youngsters, and 2) McD will be tempted to build to win NOW, and we'll give up a lot of our youth to make it happen by attempting to build via FA. Most of he time, that doesn't workout.

I'd rather wait for a year or two to KNOW what we have in these guys, THEN go after the star we need to 'complete the puzzle', rather than trade our youth for Cousins, and try to build around him, grabbing guys like Gay, or Gibson, or MCW, or , well, you get the idea, to try to remain relevant...and in the meantime, we also keep guys like Knight, Bledsoe, Tucker, Dudley, and Chandler to remain a viable playoff 7th-seed-type team. Let's enjoy the excitement of seeing Booker, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Ulis, and maybe DJ Jr., Jenkins, or 'Big Sauce' develop (and who knows, MAYBE even Len despite all of our 'forum-GMs' assurance that he sucks).

If we want to trade for Cousins, then we offer any mixture of Chandler, Barbosa, Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, or if we must, Len (only so Cousins can play the 5) and maybe a lotto protected 1st in 2018. But let's not go down the road of being a 6th-to-8th seed team for several years; let's allow our youngsters to develop together and form a 'family' of sorts...

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Did you guys hear Eddie House talking about Alex Len on azsports? Dude is a true hater. Essentially thinks he's a benchwarmer in this league.

I disagree, but I wonder what the FO thinks. Dude can't hit anything within 6 feet of the basket that isn't a dunk. No touch.