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[bwgood77]

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Hornacek would give Tucker and Barbosa at least 20 games before he would consider benching them. Earl needed one quarter.

It would be nice if Ulis ran the offense and since Knight has to be out there, if he could be a spot up shooter. There is nothing worse than watching the 3 rooks standing out there ready with Len and Knight handling the ball for the entire shot clock.

I honestly, just for enjoyment sake, would rather have Knight and Len start and put Booker and Chandler with the second unit just so it would be better to watch...and we'd see our future. I mentioned before I wouldn't mind Booker coming off the bench if they decided to start Knight just because I'd love to see him with the rookies...HATE seeing Knight with them.

I hate quick one game judgements, but Knight with Bledsoe is far less bad than Knight with a bunch of rookies or over the hill vets allowing him to completely do everything himself.

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Hornacek would give Tucker and Barbosa at least 20 games before he would consider benching them. Earl needed one quarter.

It would be nice if Ulis ran the offense and since Knight has to be out there, if he could be a spot up shooter. There is nothing worse than watching the 3 rooks standing out there ready with Len and Knight handling the ball for the entire shot clock.

I honestly, just for enjoyment sake, would rather have Knight and Len start and put Booker and Chandler with the second unit just so it would be better to watch...and we'd see our future. I mentioned before I wouldn't mind Booker coming off the bench if they decided to start Knight just because I'd love to see him with the rookies...HATE seeing Knight with them.

I hate quick one game judgements, but Knight with Bledsoe is far less bad than Knight with a bunch of rookies or over the hill vets allowing him to completely do everything himself.

Honestly if Knight is that bad where you have to bench your best player to to minimize the damage he does to the team you get red of him ASAP. I get what you are saying though it's much more enjoyable to see Booker with the young guys.

[AtheJ415]

Encouraged by the rookies. Overall an awful showing, but Warren normally will not be that bad offensively. He's proven enough to know how good he is on that end imo. We should expect these types of showings. It will be a very up and down year with how young our key guys are. I expect a top 10 pick at the end of the day and that's not a bad thing.

[AtheJ415]

I guess what I'm saying is, despite the awful result, most should be encouraged. This team is the youngsters. The actual contending window rests with them. I'd rather lose with them playing well than win a bit more with the vets carrying the load. Our window is pushed out a lot by drafting 2 more teens and keeping 3 rookies, but all seem to be able to play in this moment already.

[letsgosuns]

Booker and Ulis play well together. You could tell that over Summer League and the little bit of time they spent together at the end of the game tonight, like when Booker scored on the alley-oop from Ulis and got fouled. Ulis possesses point guard instincts that Bledsoe and Knight do not have.

On another note, the game tonight felt eerily similar to last season's opener until the rookies got to play. Everything changed when they came in during the third quarter. The crowd got into it, the team made a run to eventually bring the game to within ten points, and the entire vibe went from negativity to excitement.

I am sure the organization saw that. They have to realize by now that Bledsoe and Knight are not the guys to lead this team, especially at their salaries. Idk what they are going to do, but they got to do something when it comes to those two players.

[Hesh]

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[batsmasher]

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oh god espo took the bait. some people get hurt so easily lol.

[bwgood77]

Booker and Ulis play well together. You could tell that over Summer League and the little bit of time they spent together at the end of the game tonight, like when Booker scored on the alley-oop from Ulis and got fouled. Ulis possesses point guard instincts that Bledsoe and Knight do not have.

On another note, the game tonight felt eerily similar to last season's opener until the rookies got to play. Everything changed when they came in during the third quarter. The crowd got into it, the team made a run to eventually bring the game to within ten points, and the entire vibe went from negativity to excitement.

I am sure the organization saw that. They have to realize by now that Bledsoe and Knight are not the guys to lead this team, especially at their salaries. Idk what they are going to do, but they got to do something when it comes to those two players.

I thought you said after I suggest Booker play with Ulis that Booker needs to start which obviously means not playing with Ulis? I mean, you have to realize we are not trading Bledsoe any time in the near future despite your feelings on the matter.

[bwgood77]

I guess what I'm saying is, despite the awful result, most should be encouraged. This team is the youngsters. The actual contending window rests with them. I'd rather lose with them playing well than win a bit more with the vets carrying the load. Our window is pushed out a lot by drafting 2 more teens and keeping 3 rookies, but all seem to be able to play in this moment already.

Yes, I predicted 29 wins and I think 3 of our first 10, but if the young guys play and get experience and we get a high pick all the better. Bledsoe has 2 more years after this year and we need to trade Knight if at all possible.I honestly can't see a team saying "we need Knight, lets give up a first rounder for him"...I know people think he should have more value than Markieff, but I don't see how they come to that conclusion. He's a worse player at a more loaded position. I mean he can't even be effective in a 2nd unit, and he makes almost twice as much as Markieff.

[thamadkant]

It would be virtually impossible to add that much muscle with anabolic steroids let alone clean lifting and weigh protein.

For people of average height.

I put on 20 pounds of muscle in a year eating 6 eggs for breakfast, 2 chicken breasts for lunch and 150grams of protein shake at night and I'm only 6 foot.


For players who run a lot, its harder... but Bender is growing also... he is filling up. David Robinson entered the league at 235 pounds and was around 255-260 in his prime.

Bender is like 215 pounds... skinny as kid... he can get to 250 pounds by the time he is 24 years old.

No you didn't. You might've put on 20 lbs overall lol... David Robinson was already genetic specimen long before he entered the league. Those types of "freaks" aren't good examples to use.

Lol, so now I don't know what I accomplished?



I measured my fat folds and my weight gain in a 1 year period and my fat fold actually reduced whilst my shoulders become more pronounced. My arm diameter increased from 15 inches to 16 inches. My thighs went from 24.5 inches to 27 inches. My chest also gained a lot of mass especially towards the middle.
You think 12 months is too short? lol. Bodybuilders have 3-4 months to "bulk-up" then another 3-4 months trimming the fat away in their usual cycle. It's possible and it has been done many many times.... but it requires a special process.

So look, you can go ahead and believe it's not possible, even assume I didn't accomplish what I did... what ever makes you sleep better.
But I worked my butt off for a year hitting the gym at 4:30 am every morning and following a diet that a body builder / gym trainer has provided me. You can pretend it didnt happen to make you feel right, go ahead. But what I'm telling you is fact and many other dedicated body builders will agree (a few years ago now) I know for a fact 20 pounds is easy to gain if you have the frame.
Mind you as I said, I'm 6 foot, a couple of my body building buddies are over 6'2.

Its quiet simple, our bodies are designed to lose weight or gain weight... people with mission to put on mass, muscle/fat will do it in months by lifting extensively, eating an additional 150+% amount of their daily calories and sleeping 9 hours a night.

Then cutting up must be done separately, you can maintain the muscle gains and trim off the fat by strictly keeping metabolism high for 10+ hours during day time, which is done through cardio or using caffeine pills.


a year is sufficient time and thats not theory but factual because I've accomplished it and so did many many other body builders.



For Bender, who probably runs 20-30 miles every week during practice and games WILL NOT put on weight easily, especially muscle... muscle requires resting and using the calories to build muscle mass... cardio uses up calories to replace what is used up in the muscles... but during rest... the calories are used by the body to create mass. As I said... Bender would take 3-4 years to gain 20 pounds of muscle and that is realistic.



The Robinson comment is based on my knowledge of him, as he was my favourite player growing up I have magazines and basketball cards of him showing he was 235 pounds. Then doing further research online, some sources claim he was playing over 250-260 pounds in his prime.

[bwgood77]

For people of average height.

I put on 20 pounds of muscle in a year eating 6 eggs for breakfast, 2 chicken breasts for lunch and 150grams of protein shake at night and I'm only 6 foot.


For players who run a lot, its harder... but Bender is growing also... he is filling up. David Robinson entered the league at 235 pounds and was around 255-260 in his prime.

Bender is like 215 pounds... skinny as kid... he can get to 250 pounds by the time he is 24 years old.

No you didn't. You might've put on 20 lbs overall lol... David Robinson was already genetic specimen long before he entered the league. Those types of "freaks" aren't good examples to use.

Lol, so now I don't know what I accomplished?



I measured my fat folds and my weight gain in a 1 year period and my fat fold actually reduced whilst my shoulders become more pronounced. My arm diameter increased from 15 inches to 16 inches. My thighs went from 24.5 inches to 27 inches. My chest also gained a lot of mass especially towards the middle.
You think 12 months is too short? lol. Bodybuilders have 3-4 months to "bulk-up" then another 3-4 months trimming the fat away in their usual cycle. It's possible and it has been done many many times.... but it requires a special process.

So look, you can go ahead and believe it's not possible, even assume I didn't accomplish what I did... what ever makes you sleep better.
But I worked my butt off for a year hitting the gym at 4:30 am every morning and following a diet that a body builder / gym trainer has provided me. You can pretend it didnt happen to make you feel right, go ahead. But what I'm telling you is fact and many other dedicated body builders will agree (a few years ago now) I know for a fact 20 pounds is easy to gain if you have the frame.
Mind you as I said, I'm 6 foot, a couple of my body building buddies are over 6'2.

Its quiet simple, our bodies are designed to lose weight or gain weight... people with mission to put on mass, muscle/fat will do it in months by lifting extensively, eating an additional 150+% amount of their daily calories and sleeping 9 hours a night.

Then cutting up must be done separately, you can maintain the muscle gains and trim off the fat by strictly keeping metabolism high for 10+ hours during day time, which is done through cardio or using caffeine pills.


a year is sufficient time and thats not theory but factual because I've accomplished it and so did many many other body builders.



For Bender, who probably runs 20-30 miles every week during practice and games WILL NOT put on weight easily, especially muscle... muscle requires resting and using the calories to build muscle mass... cardio uses up calories to replace what is used up in the muscles... but during rest... the calories are used by the body to create mass. As I said... Bender would take 3-4 years to gain 20 pounds of muscle and that is realistic.



The Robinson comment is based on my knowledge of him, as he was my favourite player growing up I have magazines and basketball cards of him showing he was 235 pounds. Then doing further research online, some sources claim he was playing over 250 pounds in his prime.

150 grams of protein at one time though is way too much. Despite your results, you would likely do better spreading out your protein intake throughout the day. It's good to get a fairly heavy does at night if you are doing casein at that point, but spreading out is good, particularly on off days.

[KF10]

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Yeah, the people who is running the Kings' twitter account are always like this. To me, I don't mind it -- although, it can come across as "spazzy" and makes you scoffs whenever you see something like this. But one thing is for sure, they are not your usual "cookie-cutter" twitter account that is only straight-forward and whatnot.

Anyways, I know it sucks that you guys lost your opening game but if there was any positives from your side, it was your youngsters. Guys like Bender, Ulis, etc looked real good. Especially Bender. The way he moved and made plays was a sight to see.

On the flip side, a guy like Knight looked like he was sleep-walking the whole game and was a huge negative on the court.

Good luck for the rest of your season, Sun fans!

[thamadkant]

No you didn't. You might've put on 20 lbs overall lol... David Robinson was already genetic specimen long before he entered the league. Those types of "freaks" aren't good examples to use.

Lol, so now I don't know what I accomplished?



I measured my fat folds and my weight gain in a 1 year period and my fat fold actually reduced whilst my shoulders become more pronounced. My arm diameter increased from 15 inches to 16 inches. My thighs went from 24.5 inches to 27 inches. My chest also gained a lot of mass especially towards the middle.
You think 12 months is too short? lol. Bodybuilders have 3-4 months to "bulk-up" then another 3-4 months trimming the fat away in their usual cycle. It's possible and it has been done many many times.... but it requires a special process.

So look, you can go ahead and believe it's not possible, even assume I didn't accomplish what I did... what ever makes you sleep better.
But I worked my butt off for a year hitting the gym at 4:30 am every morning and following a diet that a body builder / gym trainer has provided me. You can pretend it didnt happen to make you feel right, go ahead. But what I'm telling you is fact and many other dedicated body builders will agree (a few years ago now) I know for a fact 20 pounds is easy to gain if you have the frame.
Mind you as I said, I'm 6 foot, a couple of my body building buddies are over 6'2.

Its quiet simple, our bodies are designed to lose weight or gain weight... people with mission to put on mass, muscle/fat will do it in months by lifting extensively, eating an additional 150+% amount of their daily calories and sleeping 9 hours a night.

Then cutting up must be done separately, you can maintain the muscle gains and trim off the fat by strictly keeping metabolism high for 10+ hours during day time, which is done through cardio or using caffeine pills.


a year is sufficient time and thats not theory but factual because I've accomplished it and so did many many other body builders.



For Bender, who probably runs 20-30 miles every week during practice and games WILL NOT put on weight easily, especially muscle... muscle requires resting and using the calories to build muscle mass... cardio uses up calories to replace what is used up in the muscles... but during rest... the calories are used by the body to create mass. As I said... Bender would take 3-4 years to gain 20 pounds of muscle and that is realistic.



The Robinson comment is based on my knowledge of him, as he was my favourite player growing up I have magazines and basketball cards of him showing he was 235 pounds. Then doing further research online, some sources claim he was playing over 250 pounds in his prime.

150 grams of protein at one time though is way too much. Despite your results, you would likely do better spreading out your protein intake throughout the day. It's good to get a fairly heavy does at night if you are doing casein at that point, but spreading out is good, particularly on off days.

Well you're not the only one who thought so too, a few people told me that it was too much protein intake for a meal, especially in shake-form.
The formula is usually... Weight (in kg) = Protein (grams), here in Australia which the common knowledge among body builders trying to mass up. So yes, 150 grams was ridiculous... and I suffered for it, I had digestive issues and it didnt feel right. But it only went for a couple of weeks when I was desperate to mass up my middle delts.

The key to massing up is to literally tearing up muscles and overloading in "good" calories, 50/50 carbs and protein ratio. And then absolutely putting the body in rest mode... as in all calories is used up to repair and build mass.


Basketball players especially pros will STRUGGLE to mass up in a short time, they expend energy moving not massing up.
Sacrificing normal routines is a must for sure, its weird eating 4-5 meals in a 10 hour period then just resting.


But Bender is 7'1.... he has long limbs, torso and a decent frame.... 20 pounds to him is like 30-35 pounds to a normal average person in regards to weight gain. Just like KG in his rookie year until in his mid 20s, I think Bender can become "muscular" but lean... maybe top up at 245-250 pounds... if he can maintain his agility he'd be a beast of a player.

[Hesh]

Yeah, the people who is running the Kings' twitter account are always like this. To me, I don't mind it -- although, it can come across as "spazzy" and makes you scoffs whenever you see something like this. But one thing is for sure, they are not your usual "cookie-cutter" twitter account that is only straight-forward and whatnot.

Anyways, I know it sucks that you guys lost your opening game but if there was any positives from your side, it was your youngsters. Guys like Bender, Ulis, etc looked real good. Especially Bender. The way he moved and made plays was a sight to see.

On the flip side, a guy like Knight looked like he was sleep-walking the whole game and was a huge negative on the court.

Good luck for the rest of your season, Sun fans!

May the better team win and the Kings were definitely the better team in this one. Really hoping that you guys have a turnaround season. And yes after getting rid of all the disgruntled player's we might have created another one in the process but he's anything but adequate even when given the green light

[letsgosuns]

Booker and Ulis play well together. You could tell that over Summer League and the little bit of time they spent together at the end of the game tonight, like when Booker scored on the alley-oop from Ulis and got fouled. Ulis possesses point guard instincts that Bledsoe and Knight do not have.

On another note, the game tonight felt eerily similar to last season's opener until the rookies got to play. Everything changed when they came in during the third quarter. The crowd got into it, the team made a run to eventually bring the game to within ten points, and the entire vibe went from negativity to excitement.

I am sure the organization saw that. They have to realize by now that Bledsoe and Knight are not the guys to lead this team, especially at their salaries. Idk what they are going to do, but they got to do something when it comes to those two players.

I thought you said after I suggest Booker play with Ulis that Booker needs to start which obviously means not playing with Ulis? I mean, you have to realize we are not trading Bledsoe any time in the near future despite your feelings on the matter.

I think the Suns will absolutely consider trading Bledsoe depending how he plays this year. The one year that the Suns were good with him was his first year with the team when he missed half the season and Dragic led the team. Since then, the Suns have gotten worse each year, including after the Knight trade.

Remember when the Suns were fighting for a playoff seed in 2014-15 and then Knight got hurt. They finished the season 1-10. Bledsoe had a chance to be the man and lead them to a playoff seed as the main point guard. Well in the last 11 games of the season, he averaged 15 pts, 6 ast, 3 rbs, 3 to, 40% fg, 20% 3pts, and 77% ft in 35 mpg. He played really poorly. Those shooting percentages for a point guard are awful.

Then last year when he had good statistics, the Suns were still 12-19 when he went down so his play did not translate to wins. He does not make anyone around him better the way a point guard is supposed to. Now tonight, Paul Coro said this was the worst margin of defeat in Suns opening night history. The team played dramatically better when Ulis was running the team. Everyone could see it. When you factor in the Suns regression for the last two seasons with Bledsoe and how bad they looked tonight with him in the game, why should they not consider trading him? Plus he has already had three knee surgeries. I do not think he will ever get better than he is right now. This is his fourth year on the Suns and he has done nothing for this franchise. His play has never justified the contract the Suns gave him. At this point, how much longer can the team wait around for him to make a real impact.

[Qwigglez]

I rewatched the first quarter. We looked good until we ran this lineup: Knight/LB/Tucker/Chriss/Len

Here what I noticed with this unit. Rushed shots and dumb shots. Knight took a three in the corner with 20 seconds on the clock! The crazy thing is all five Kings players were within the three point line, while Chriss and Len barely made it past halfcourt. LB tried to take on both Tolliver and WCS in the paint. Len literally only had one foot past half court and Knight was still on the other side of the half court line. Two very stupid plays. Knight took a two with both feet on the three point line.
Len would not leave the paint! The Kings coach realized this so he was having WCS set screens to open up shots for Temple and McLemore. Both had very impressive quarters. McLemore absolutely torched LB.
McLemore hit the ball off Knight's legs leading to a turnover for Knight. Knight complained instead of getting back on defense. Lead to an easy bucket that was a slam by WCS.
We were up 18-14 until that lineup. The quarter ended 19-30. I never want to see that lineup again.

[DRK]

Yeah, our pick and roll defence is still an issue. Guard dont give enough effort going around the screen and our bigs are always stuck on an island where the opposing ball handler just pulls up off the bounce. Its been an issue for years, because none of our bigs can switch onto guards... Except Bender.

Under no circumstances should Knight play PG. Hes trash.

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Hornacek would give Tucker and Barbosa at least 20 games before he would consider benching them. Earl needed one quarter.

Pop style. Love it.

[RunDogGun]

I rewatched the first quarter. We looked good until we ran this lineup: Knight/LB/Tucker/Chriss/Len

Here what I noticed with this unit. Rushed shots and dumb shots. Knight took a three in the corner with 20 seconds on the clock! The crazy thing is all five Kings players were within the three point line, while Chriss and Len barely made it past halfcourt. LB tried to take on both Tolliver and WCS in the paint. Len literally only had one foot past half court and Knight was still on the other side of the half court line. Two very stupid plays. Knight took a two with both feet on the three point line.
Len would not leave the paint! The Kings coach realized this so he was having WCS set screens to open up shots for Temple and McLemore. Both had very impressive quarters. McLemore absolutely torched LB.
McLemore hit the ball off Knight's legs leading to a turnover for Knight. Knight complained instead of getting back on defense. Lead to an easy bucket that was a slam by WCS.
We were up 18-14 until that lineup. The quarter ended 19-30. I never want to see that lineup again.

The main issue was the pairing of LB and Knight. Both are streaky players, which really means they are chuckers who can get hot. But overall are just a terrible pairing and completely kills offensive ball flow. Then on the defensive end, they just didn't work well. Tucker wasn't ready to play last night, so adding him to those two made things much worse. Len just isn't smart enough to be the leader on a lineup on either end of the court, same with Chriss. I wonder how that lineup would have worked with Bender at the three, and the ball running through him.

[Saberestar]

I rewatched the first quarter. We looked good until we ran this lineup: Knight/LB/Tucker/Chriss/Len

Here what I noticed with this unit. Rushed shots and dumb shots. Knight took a three in the corner with 20 seconds on the clock! The crazy thing is all five Kings players were within the three point line, while Chriss and Len barely made it past halfcourt. LB tried to take on both Tolliver and WCS in the paint. Len literally only had one foot past half court and Knight was still on the other side of the half court line. Two very stupid plays. Knight took a two with both feet on the three point line.
Len would not leave the paint! The Kings coach realized this so he was having WCS set screens to open up shots for Temple and McLemore. Both had very impressive quarters. McLemore absolutely torched LB.
McLemore hit the ball off Knight's legs leading to a turnover for Knight. Knight complained instead of getting back on defense. Lead to an easy bucket that was a slam by WCS.
We were up 18-14 until that lineup. The quarter ended 19-30. I never want to see that lineup again.

Yeah, I agree completely. Those minutes were horrible, and we lost the game in that first quarter. A 1-16 run.

Barbosa and Knight together is a bad combination, Ulis is way better than Barbosa at this point of his career.

Tucker is out of shape, it was pretty evident. He needs to work on his body at least another week before seeing minutes in a game.

I like that Watson is taking decisions, you can't tolerate a big time loss at home on opening night against one of the worst teams in the league.