So how about Joel Embiid

NBA Moses · Post #501 » by **NBA Moses** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:13 pm

MotownMadness wrote:He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons,Okafor and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

Ericb5 · Post #502 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:his footwork is elite for a big but he needs to shed another 10lbs to reach his max fluidity imo awsome debut tho

i agree, if he sheds a few more lbs, he'll be a little bit more nimble

I don't know if I would want him to shed anymore weight. He is in peak condition right now, and I think he has a good balance of speed and strength. He is fast enough to get by big guys, and strong enough to get through smaller guys.

Maybe from a health standpoint taking weight off will reduce the forces on his feet, but I think that he is in a good spot physically right now.

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Ericb5 · Post #503 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:16 pm

juju14 wrote:The thing about Embiid he hasn't had a offseason to really work on his game. Most of it is rehab. We won't see how great he will be until next year.

We are hoping that he can work with Hakeem next summer. That would be amazing.

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NBA Moses · Post #504 » by **NBA Moses** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:25 pm

Still a ton of rust on Embiid. In 2-3 years when he knocks the rust off, gets his timing + coordination together, gets physically stronger and starts backing opponents down he will be unstoppable. He obliterated veteran Hassan Whiteside in the final exhibition game and pretty much just handed Stephen Adams his lunch . Those are 2 of the better defensive centers in the NBA.

Right now his athleticism and explosion are way down due to his downtime. We havent seen anything yet.

Im not sure there is a big man in the game right now beside Embiid comfortable enough to face the basket in the low post on the offensive zone. Only person who I see doing that right now is Embiid.

By end of year he will be the best center in the nba.

In 2-3 years he may be the best player in the nba.

cksdayoff · Post #505 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:27 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:his footwork is elite for a big but he needs to shed another 10lbs to reach his max fluidity imo awsome debut tho

i agree, if he sheds a few more lbs, he'll be a little bit more nimble

I don't know if I would want him to shed anymore weight. He is in peak condition right now, and I think he has a good balance of speed and strength. He is fast enough to get by big guys, and strong enough to get through smaller guys.

Maybe from a health standpoint taking weight off will reduce the forces on his feet, but I think that he is in a good spot physically right now.

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true, 275 just may be his optimal weight. i guess i was looking ahead into the future, i just want his body to hold up in the long run, i just assumed that maybe 275 lbs on that frame, could do a number on his joints and knees as he gets older. but im probably being a little too paranoid.

cksdayoff · Post #506 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:28 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
juju14 wrote:The thing about Embiid he hasn't had a offseason to really work on his game. Most of it is rehab. We won't see how great he will be until next year.

We are hoping that he can work with Hakeem next summer. That would be amazing.

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Can BB bring in Tim Duncan, at least for a week in the off season

Zion Wembanyama · Post #507 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:35 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
juju14 wrote:The thing about Embiid he hasn't had a offseason to really work on his game. Most of it is rehab. We won't see how great he will be until next year.

We are hoping that he can work with Hakeem next summer. That would be amazing.

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Or Duncan. :nod:

Kobblehead · Post #508 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:43 pm

NBA Moses wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons,Okafor and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

Shoehorning Okafor into that statement just dilutes it. Jah is a bench scorer, nothing more.

510TWSS · Post #509 » by **510TWSS** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:50 pm

Wish I could've watched this game on LP, stupid black out rules. Anyway, I came away impressed by Embiid. I know he didn't shoot it particularly efficiently, but to put up a volume of points after being out over 2 years is a win in my book. He'll only get better and more comfortable with playing time and experience. Even so, what he's doing out there largely on talent alone is really impressive. The shooting ability makes you salivate, so does the good feet and ability to strike fear in the hearts of opposing would be dunkers.

I'd like to see him operate out of the low post a bit more and also see how he can pass out of the post. Might have to watch more than 2 Philly games for the first time in like 5 years. Really makes me excited for when Simmons comes back.

LloydFree · Post #510 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
NBA Moses wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons,Okafor and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

Shoehorning Okafor into that statement just dilutes it. Jah is a bench scorer, nothing more.

I'm glad somebody else notices that when these guys pull that. I didn't want to have to be the one to point it out. But it is so pathetic, it's irritating.

Post #511 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:25 pm

I can understand disagreeing with his inclusion, but he was listing the trio of who he considers foundational prospects (simply players that we can build with and around), not comparing them directly as prospects.

I believe Okafor or Noel can still be considered that, or at least I don't believe that it's a forgone conclusion that they can't or shouldn't be.

tundraknight · Post #512 » by **tundraknight** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:31 pm

I'm hoping Embiid hits up his twitter to recruit Anthony Davis to form the Twin Towers/deadliest front court in the NBA.

A package including Ben Simmons and Noel.

Get r' done!!

sixerhp3 · Post #513 » by **sixerhp3** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:45 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
NBA Moses wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons,Okafor and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

Shoehorning Okafor into that statement just dilutes it. Jah is a bench scorer, nothing more.

So you've come up with that conclusion after only one season and one game.... OK :roll:

Ericb5 · Post #514 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:18 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
juju14 wrote:The thing about Embiid he hasn't had a offseason to really work on his game. Most of it is rehab. We won't see how great he will be until next year.

We are hoping that he can work with Hakeem next summer. That would be amazing.

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Can BB bring in Tim Duncan, at least for a week in the off season

I bet he could, but I have never seen Duncan train anyone, and I know Hakeem teaches the masterclass of big man skills.

I'm specifically looking forward to the Embiid versions of the YouTube videos of Hakeem working with Lebron, and Dwight Howard. Embiid will be his best student ever, and Hakeem is Joel's hero.

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NBA Fan 1234 · Post #515 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:25 pm

LOVED LOVED LOVED him at Kansas. His footwork on both sides of the ball was unbelievable. If he were healthy, I would have taken him #1 overall and not thought twice about it.

I'm so happy he's healthy and finally playing. Now I'm just hoping he stays healthy - he can be the best two way center (or player) in the league in his prime. I think he should lose just a little bit of weight -- find the happy medium between his playing weight at KU and his weight now.

90sgoat · Post #516 » by **90sgoat** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:35 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
We are hoping that he can work with Hakeem next summer. That would be amazing.

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Can BB bring in Tim Duncan, at least for a week in the off season

I bet he could, but I have never seen Duncan train anyone, and I know Hakeem teaches the masterclass of big man skills.

I'm specifically looking forward to the Embiid versions of the YouTube videos of Hakeem working with Lebron, and Dwight Howard. Embiid will be his best student ever, and Hakeem is Joel's hero.

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Hakeem, I think most guys like Dwight or Lebron should spend their money getting coaching from someone else than Hakeem, watching Dwight trying to do Hakeem's moves was not pretty. Hakeem is like the ultimate masterclass, while both Lebron and Dwight really needed basics. From what I've seen, it took Kobe, a guard with excellent footwork to be able to follow Hakeem.

Embiid on the other hand, I think could actually have a chance of replicating his moves.

Post #517 » by **Marcus** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:47 pm

90sgoat wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
Can BB bring in Tim Duncan, at least for a week in the off season

I bet he could, but I have never seen Duncan train anyone, and I know Hakeem teaches the masterclass of big man skills.

I'm specifically looking forward to the Embiid versions of the YouTube videos of Hakeem working with Lebron, and Dwight Howard. Embiid will be his best student ever, and Hakeem is Joel's hero.

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Hakeem, I think most guys like Dwight or Lebron should spend their money getting coaching from someone else than Hakeem, watching Dwight trying to do Hakeem's moves was not pretty. Hakeem is like the ultimate masterclass, while both Lebron and Dwight really needed basics. From what I've seen, it took Kobe, a guard with excellent footwork to be able to follow Hakeem.

Embiid on the other hand, I think could actually have a chance of replicating his moves.

Lebron has actually done a very good job of adapting what he learned from Hakeem to fit his skillset in the post. It's primarily maximizing your range and balance when utilizing your footwork and the complete understanding of effectively using the jump stop. You call tell JoJo learned from just watching and mimicking which anybody can do. Actually spending time with Hakeem and understanding why he used what he used when he used it is what could make Jo Olajuwon's best student if that union ever happens.

Right now Jo is just shaking and faking because it looks pretty. Case in point his first half B2B against Adams where Adams didn't budge not one iota on the fakes. I think basics can teach Jo that he has to set that up before anybody respects it and working with Hakeem can teach him how to better read the defender to know when and where to pull that out the bag.

Post #518 » by **Marcus** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:52 pm

sixerhp3 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
NBA Moses wrote:
He's going to be good as long as he can stay healthy. A healthy Simmons,Okafor and Embiid are nice foundation pieces for the Sixers.

Shoehorning Okafor into that statement just dilutes it. Jah is a bench scorer, nothing more.

So you've come up with that conclusion after only one season and one game.... OK

It's actually not bad idea having Jah come off the pine and feast on second unit bigs with his post polish. As much as I love Jah I think its pretty much agreed that a healthy Embiid presents more options on both ends and should pretty easily regulate Jah to the bench going forward if they decide to keep both.

Sidenote: I might be willing to commit felonious acts to see that head to head post work during practices between those two.

ThumbsUpBaby · Post #519 » by **ThumbsUpBaby** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:55 pm

NBA Moses wrote:Still a ton of rust on Embiid. In 2-3 years when he knocks the rust off, gets his timing + coordination together, gets physically stronger and starts backing opponents down he will be unstoppable. He obliterated veteran Hassan Whiteside in the final exhibition game and pretty much just handed Stephen Adams his lunch . Those are 2 of the better defensive centers in the NBA.

Right now his athleticism and explosion are way down due to his downtime. We havent seen anything yet.

Im not sure there is a big man in the game right now beside Embiid comfortable enough to face the basket in the low post on the offensive zone. Only person who I see doing that right now is Embiid.

By end of year he will be the best center in the nba.

In 2-3 years he may be the best player in the nba.

Settle down.

Post #520 » by **Marcus** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:04 pm

SanDavid wrote:
NBA Moses wrote:Still a ton of rust on Embiid. In 2-3 years when he knocks the rust off, gets his timing + coordination together, gets physically stronger and starts backing opponents down he will be unstoppable. He obliterated veteran Hassan Whiteside in the final exhibition game and pretty much just handed Stephen Adams his lunch . Those are 2 of the better defensive centers in the NBA.

Right now his athleticism and explosion are way down due to his downtime. We havent seen anything yet.

Im not sure there is a big man in the game right now beside Embiid comfortable enough to face the basket in the low post on the offensive zone. Only person who I see doing that right now is Embiid.

By end of year he will be the best center in the nba.

In 2-3 years he may be the best player in the nba.

Settle down.

I know it's fun and somewhat commonplace among a few of the posters to regulate statements like that as pure delusion but if you've watched the kid at Kansas and you've seen the rate at which he progresses and just simply sponges the game its not that far-fetched of a statement for him to at least be in the conversation in some minds if Jo can stay healthy.

I don't think this time last year anybody was saying KAT would be a top 3-5 big already either but its more than a conversation now.