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Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1)

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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1041 » by Bensational » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:18 am

pepe1991 wrote:I saw in comments that somebody said that Vučević played well ? Did we even watched same game? Even if we ignore his usal pathetic pick& roll defense ,he got abused by Whiteside, played with zero effort, didn't contest any shots and kept his hands down whenever somebody penetrated inside. Best part of his game last night was fact that Ibaka menaged to look worst.

No ,really guys, if your center just allowed 74 points in paint, how da hell you can say he had good game?

To be fair, Gordon was lost , leaving Babbit wide open all the time, Payton and Evan were horrific, they made Waiters and Winslow look like Wall and Beal. Zero guard defense, and usally bad Vučević .
I don't even know, is Dragić that good at this point, or Vučević and Payton are that bad.


I'm one of Vuc's biggest critics but even I can admit that he did a decent job on defense - decent for his standards. He played the angles well, provided help defense as best he could, but he had no rotation help to cover Whiteside, and he's not athletic enough to cover the point and still get back to his man. That's ideally what Ibaka is supposed to help with, but as I pointed out in the offseason, he can't help us when teams are running stretch 4's because he's out on the perimeter and not close enough to provide help on a big under the basket.

Ibaka had a much worse defensive game than Vuc. Ibaka didn't even try to defend the rim when guards and wings penetrated.

That said, I've wanted Biyombo as our starting C since we acquired him for the very reason of having a legit defensive anchor in the game. But you're being too hard on Vuc in this circumstance.

Payton's defense was good. He stayed in front of his man as best he could, and funnelled them to the big. He can't do much more than that.

Gordon's offense was a bit out of control, but his defense was good. When his man got past him it's because he was rotating to provide help D, and nobody rotated to cover him.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1042 » by Bensational » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:26 am

NEM wrote:
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Well this is year 5 with no playoffs in sight, sooo....

Get over it, your boy is a horrible GM.



We are 1 game into this season, the playoffs are not out of sight. So you get over bashing Hennigan.


If you think this team as currently constructed has a chance to make the playoffs, you have bigger problems my friend.


We're 1 game into the season, and you think people who think we still have a chance at making the playoffs are the ones with problems??

Get ahold of yourself dude.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1043 » by tiderulz » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:28 am

pepe1991 wrote:he got abused by Whiteside


then wonder how Miami fans feel about Whiteside. 18 pts vs 17 pts, Vuc must have abused him as well
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1044 » by Nemesis21 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:41 am

Bensational wrote:
NEM wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:

We are 1 game into this season, the playoffs are not out of sight. So you get over bashing Hennigan.


If you think this team as currently constructed has a chance to make the playoffs, you have bigger problems my friend.


We're 1 game into the season, and you think people who think we still have a chance at making the playoffs are the ones with problems??

Get ahold of yourself dude.


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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1045 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:41 pm

eyriq wrote:Their bench play is what killed us. Vucevic and Augustine were the only players that played well for us it looks like. Not sure why Vucevic is getting trashed.


Because he ain't prime Dwight and Biz supposedly is. Team still had Ibaka and Gordon out there to help with interior defense, so Vooch is not to blame this time.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1046 » by j-ragg » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:48 pm

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eyriq wrote:Their bench play is what killed us. Vucevic and Augustine were the only players that played well for us it looks like. Not sure why Vucevic is getting trashed.


Because he ain't prime Dwight and Biz supposedly is. Team still had Ibaka and Gordon out there to help with interior defense, so Vooch is not to blame this time.

Vuc put his hands up and people have been praising him. That should tell you enough of how bad his defense has been the past 4 years. No one thinks Biz is Dwight don't do that.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1047 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:49 pm

j-ragg wrote:
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eyriq wrote:Their bench play is what killed us. Vucevic and Augustine were the only players that played well for us it looks like. Not sure why Vucevic is getting trashed.


Because he ain't prime Dwight and Biz supposedly is. Team still had Ibaka and Gordon out there to help with interior defense, so Vooch is not to blame this time.

Vuc put his hands up and people have been praising him. That should tell you enough of how bad his defense has been the past 4 years. No one thinks Biz is Dwight don't do that.


I am just saying the Magic's defensive problems are not entirely Vooch's fault. This is a team sport.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1048 » by p0peye » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:22 pm

We still have no clue how to defend as a team. I didn't have the chance to watch the game due to time zone difference and working day and I know this is not the best stat, but considering he had a best +/- on the team, we evidently played a lot worse when Vučević was out of the game.
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1049 » by OrlDave » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:49 pm

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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1050 » by Viper1500 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:44 am

The same people who are defending the magic now were the same ones last year. Sometimes you just need to take the homer glasses off. This team is going to be 0-3 to start the season and all 3 will be blowouts. Please stop


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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1051 » by fendilim » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:15 am

This defense needs work. How does augustin gets matched to a big man 2 straight plays
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Re: Opening Night 16-17: Heat @ Magic (Game 1) 

Post#1052 » by fendilim » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:15 am

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