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Post#701 » by DartboardT » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:41 pm

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Keith Van Horn wrote:I can't believe we have game threads going in the double digits now. What a crazy amount of people Lin has brought to the Nets fanbase. No way I can look back over all of the pages to see people's reactions anymore lol.

Sigh......don't even bother......unfortunately Lin has attracted racists as well......
Good win last night. That Vasquez 3 pointer really was the turning point. Kilpatrick was absolutely on fire too. Hoping to see the team bring it tonight against the Bucks.

Man, that Vasq 3, imagine if he missed it, the venom would have been real strong! :lol:


no no no SHOOT THAT ALL NIGHT

that confidence (mini-moment but HUGE one by Vasquez, Skillpatrick playing lights out from the bench) shows that the team has belief, and has to BRING that confidence every night to have a chance to win. Pull-up 3 may not have been the "ideal" system play but Vasquez had space for the 3. Looks like Skillpatrick had a decent amount of space to fire a 3 over Turner as well.
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Post#702 » by reelsgm » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:45 pm

Prokorov wrote:i mean, i loved watching lin tonite yet im sitting here now hating the guy because his fans are so obnoxious


It's your perogative to hate on any player you want including Lin - and for whatever reason you choose.

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Prokorov wrote:honestly i hope he isnt back next year. he could be an allstar and lead us to 50 wins and id still want him gone if this is the atmosphere that comes with him.


Yeah right because most die-hard fans of a team would rather go back to being a 21 win loser of a team, than winning 50 games because their skin is so thin they couldn't fathom continuing to support a winning team if they can't stand reading posts they disagree with. Wow ... disappointing.


im entitled to my opinion just like you are yours.


You can have your opinion but you crossed the line there buddy into Troll territory. Hoping for the removal of a player who "lead us to 50 wins" just because you hate his fans and by extension the player is what a troll would utter.

Don't care how long you been here or how many posts you made. Got no respect for a "fan" who would wish less success for the Nets on that basis.
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Post#703 » by Claud » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:04 pm

Reading the last 5-7 pages... :sigh: :sigh:

Just enjoy the W guys ffs.. :roll:
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Post#704 » by victorhe » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:16 pm

I said it and I am saying it again. Just enjoy the win and let's all root for nets' next win. Anyone is entitled to their own opinion. Learn to agree to disagree. This place does not have to be a war place, it will look bad for the nets forum from other folks.
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Post#705 » by Claud » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:21 pm

victorhe wrote:I said it and I am saying it again. Just enjoy the win and let's all root for nets' next win. Anyone is entitled to their own opinion. Learn to agree to disagree. This place does not have to be a war place, it will look bad for the nets forum from other folks.


Sucks for people wanting to come check out the game-thread and just enjoy a W but then all you get is 10 pages of nonstop arguing about Lin. Kinda kills the mood. I really enjoy watching Lin and think he's a great fit with us but the constant deviation of threads and making it all about Lin gets tiresome. Most of us care about the ENTIRE TEAM not just 1 guy.
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Post#706 » by Prokorov » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:25 pm

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Prokorov wrote:i mean, i loved watching lin tonite yet im sitting here now hating the guy because his fans are so obnoxious


It's your perogative to hate on any player you want including Lin - and for whatever reason you choose.


saying i hate on lin is a bit riddiculous. since the real games have started i have nothing but praise him. its the lin fans and their constant inescurity and need to defend lin for even the most miniscule criticisms or observations that make things unbearable here.
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Post#707 » by Prokorov » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:26 pm

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Prokorov wrote:i mean, i loved watching lin tonite yet im sitting here now hating the guy because his fans are so obnoxious


It's your perogative to hate on any player you want including Lin - and for whatever reason you choose.

Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Yeah right because most die-hard fans of a team would rather go back to being a 21 win loser of a team, than winning 50 games because their skin is so thin they couldn't fathom continuing to support a winning team if they can't stand reading posts they disagree with. Wow ... disappointing.


im entitled to my opinion just like you are yours.


You can have your opinion but you crossed the line there buddy into Troll territory. Hoping for the removal of a player who "lead us to 50 wins" just because you hate his fans and by extension the player is what a troll would utter.

Don't care how long you been here or how many posts you made. Got no respect for a "fan" who would wish less success for the Nets on that basis.


yes im a troll having been here for years and supporting this team through 70 loss seasons. :roll:

if you were a fan of a team and not just a player and were on the other side of the fence you'd understand more. its sad because several regualrs here have stopped posting already, which stinks cause the nets fans on here were small to begin with.
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Post#709 » by reelsgm » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:34 pm

Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Prokorov wrote:i mean, i loved watching lin tonite yet im sitting here now hating the guy because his fans are so obnoxious


It's your perogative to hate on any player you want including Lin - and for whatever reason you choose.

Prokorov wrote:
im entitled to my opinion just like you are yours.


You can have your opinion but you crossed the line there buddy into Troll territory. Hoping for the removal of a player who "lead us to 50 wins" just because you hate his fans and by extension the player is what a troll would utter.

Don't care how long you been here or how many posts you made. Got no respect for a "fan" who would wish less success for the Nets on that basis.


yes im a troll having been here for years and supporting this team through 70 loss seasons. :roll:

if you were a fan of a team and not just a player and were on the other side of the fence you'd understand more. its sad because several regualrs here have stopped posting already, which stinks cause the nets fans on here were small to begin with.

Oh, I assure you the Nets are my team and I'll support any Nets player from A-to-Z who helps the team get W's regardless if others love him or hate him. Relax, we're here for the long haul - Lin's staying here for many many seasons, hopefully the rest of his career.
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Post#710 » by Erichang » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:53 pm

First, I must say that I am very sorry to be the root source of this.
For me, defense is all about effort, not talent.
So, when someone's defense is "pretty bad", to me, it means that someone is totally lack of effort on defense.

In last night's game, Booker's DRtgwas 88, Scola was 89 (14:48PT), Joe Harris was 92 (17:56PT), and JLin was 93,
Everyone else were higher than Jlin, and Bojan was the only one over 100 (at 101).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201610280BRK.html

The team defense was great and Lin won't get 9 rebounds if bigs didn't box out.
Maybe I am too sensitive,but I just don't think Lin was lack of effort on defense.
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Post#711 » by playteamball » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:01 pm

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bws94 wrote:I think saying he's a "bench/role" player is harsh and that's a turn-off reading Prok's earlier assessment. Lin was used more like a huge 6th man, almost Ginobili-like, for Houston and Charlotte and closed a significant amount of games. He may not have started (Houston he started 1 season, played off the bench 1 season), but he played a big role on both teams. And distinguished himself well in the playoffs for Charlotte. And before you bring up stats, it goes way beyond stats what he did.


That was basically me exact feelings on lin... he is great as a backup/6th man. as a starter the jury is out. you can say it "goes beyond the stats" but even if it does its hard to say there is a track record the guy is a legit starting player when he bounced around so much and didnt keep a starting job for 2 consecutive years. he can prove himself now, looks like he might just do that. i hope he does. but that doesnt change the past

Anyway, enough of the past. Prok has been fair with Lin once the preseason started. Prok is an excellent poster. I just disagree when he puts all Lin fans in one bowl.


its hard not too, maybe its a loud minority but event hat minority of "bad" lin fans outnumbers all of the nets fans here prior to lin coming to the team. so its alot to deal with for a small fanbase like ours


Lin fans, this was a great post by Prok. I'm a huge Lin fan dating from the Harvard days and quickly becoming a Prok supporter as well. Prok's insights are AMAZING. He called the Pacers win, calls matchups correctly, and has aced his analysis of Lin starting with the preseason. He even accurately admits that the small fan base here needs some time to get adjusted to the influx of scrutiny that Lin brings. So please lay off of Prok.

Prok, at the same time, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Lin prior to the season, and I can only assume it was because you hadn't seen him play enough to know his impact on a game. You rightly relied on the decisions of other coaches, general managers, and media members. But just remember, those are the same ones that left Lin completely undrafted. They were wrong about them then and they remain wrong about him now, some innocently and others maliciously.
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Post#712 » by Kswiss » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:01 pm

Erichang wrote:First, I must say that I am very sorry to be the root source of this.
For me, defense is all about effort, not talent.
So, when someone's defense is "pretty bad", to me, it means that someone is totally lack of effort on defense.

In last night's game, Booker's DRtgwas 88, Scola was 89 (14:48PT), Joe Harris was 92 (17:56PT), and JLin was 93,
Everyone else were higher than Jlin, and Bojan was the only one over 100 (at 101).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201610280BRK.html

The team defense was great and Lin won't get 9 rebounds if bigs didn't box out.
Maybe I am too sensitive,but I just don't think Lin was lack of effort on defense.

No you're right, Lin's defense was excellent and the stats back it up. I think the original comment said Lin had a couple bad defensive moments, which honestly he did although the times he got beat never resulted in points fortunately. No ones gonna be perfect for 48 minutes and it's okay to accept a little criticism. No one is saying Lin is a bad or even average defender
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Post#713 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:06 pm

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ChokeFasncists wrote:One person can't derail a thread. (Erichang, and he made only a few posts, he might have misunderstood something but that's fine) Prok makes tons of posts anyways, 17,079 to be exact and that was only one of them. OTOH, you are new, you have posted only a few posts, (.23% of that) you were the biggest part of the derailment and your posts contained a lot of inappropriate material and off topic material. Seriously iffy.

And you've gotta understand that even tho those posts by others might not have been very good, they still were related to the game at hand or posts about it. Whereas your posts were totally off topic and incendiary. I understand that you're a newbie but shouldn't newbies observe a little how things are before shouting? You've gotta understand that the game threads were fine before your appearance, 7 of them. Things had been totally fine in the entire forum before you deciding to chime in, that was at least 4 months of worth of good bball posting. Look in the mirror, jury's still out on whether you're a troll or not. If you are, GTFO; if you're not, plz learn some basic manner before opening your mouth and pollute/derail with your drivel.


You can have your opinion. I disagree. Things are still fine.

By your squalid low standard (cf?) things might be still fine, but not really:

Claud wrote:Reading the last 5-7 pages... :sigh: :sigh:

Just enjoy the W guys ffs.. :roll:

Pretty sure this is not the only person affected. It must never happen again.

There were knee-jerk reactions by Erichang, Porokorov and now you.

So you're saying you neither had knee-jerk reactions nor had done anything that warrant a reaction?

Don't feel the need to police me, you're not a MOD,

I do not feel the need to police you. You've gotta understand that, each forum has its own culture. Some are more heavily modded some are not. If it was in the Hornets RG forum you'd have been perma-banned already. You should feel grateful about it. Since this forum is not heavily modded, which is usually a very good thing, in some situations, we have to police ourselves when things don't go right.

and I really don't care if you have 1000 posts or 10 posts.

It had nothing to do with how many posts I have. What I was saying was that, if someone had posted thousands of posts, with most of them substantial and adding to the conversation, one or two of it being a little bit off topic, that's not exactly something to be worried about. However, when someone had only a few posts and most of them are seriously off topic it's a big problem. Understand?

I am not in a witch hunt to find trolls, and I did not post any "inappropriate" material.

Not sure what you mean by in a witch hunt to find trolls. Point is, you've been derailing the thread and you're being suspected of being a troll.

Yes, you did post "inappropriate" material. You being a newbie we should give you a pass for the first time, just make sure it doesn't happen again. Derailing, off topic, personal attacks, instigation, antagonistic group think, pigeon-holing, players comparison in a game thread etc are considered inappropriate here.
Don't tell me to learn etiquette, when you are telling me to "GTFO," or state that my comments are "drivel." You NEED to find a mirror.

I dunno what's wrong with what I wrote. You mean anyone who swears is a bad person? Or calling things as it is? That's not how things work here. If you behave in an appropriate manner I surely wouldn't have written that. Telling trolls to GTFO that's very common in these websites. If you can't stand something like that, it's better you don't read these forums. (I said IF you're a troll, GTFO, and you're saying I was telling YOU to GTFO......um......)
I am not the type of person to spend my entire day on a forum, and I would be shocked if my post count hits a 100 by the end of the year. It's over, move on.

That's good if true, but if those 100 posts are concentrated in a few game threads and most of it is of poor quality it could still be real bad. OTOH, it's kinda funny cuz you sounded like you are quite knowledgeable of what had happened on certain forums; or you do spend half a day on a forum? Well, whatever, it's the internet. If this stuff doesn't happen again, we could certainly move on, I surely hope you will be posting appropriate material in an appropriate manner and all is fine; but one must make sure that it doesn't happen with any kinda regularity or this could become toxic quickly.
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Post#714 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:20 pm

Erichang wrote:First, I must say that I am very sorry to be the root source of this.
For me, defense is all about effort, not talent.
So, when someone's defense is "pretty bad", to me, it means that someone is totally lack of effort on defense.

In last night's game, Booker's DRtgwas 88, Scola was 89 (14:48PT), Joe Harris was 92 (17:56PT), and JLin was 93,
Everyone else were higher than Jlin, and Bojan was the only one over 100 (at 101).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201610280BRK.html

The team defense was great and Lin won't get 9 rebounds if bigs didn't box out.
Maybe I am too sensitive,but I just don't think Lin was lack of effort on defense.

That's cool man, just be careful next time.

Lin was good throughout the game. His defense was pretty bad at certain points.

Does not mean a total lack of effort, Lin's defense is bad or just average. Guys like LBJ take plays off, it's very common. Or as I said, it could have been a strategy. Don't over interpret.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#715 » by 94Nuggets » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:31 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:Yes, you did post "inappropriate" material


LOL! You need to relax. Underneath my user name has three icons of 3 teams. I root for them. I don't root for Lin fans, or Net fans, or against them. I root for the Huskies who just beat no.17 Utah, the Denver Broncos, and the Brooklyn Nets. Suspected of being a troll? Others might think that, but you're the only one that's verbalized it, and I'm surprised, it's a bit insulting. Should I just randomly throw out accusatory statements about you with limited support, if any at all? You are doing exactly what I was pointing out, being uber sensitive about what, I don't know. Maybe you felt I was attacking one Lin fan, and that was an attack on all Lin fans. Who knows. Why are you even replying to me? Your opinion of my posts are your opinion, I'm not gonna change your mind, nor do I care to. Everything I said was factual, and when I made opinions, I clearly stated they were opinions. You are acting sensitive, and I hope that you can eventually grow up, and realize that this is just a forum. This isn't a religious war between your "evil Lin-haters" and "Lin fans." I gave my opinion, and I stand by it. You gave yours, and I agree with none of it, but I'm OK with it. I don't need to disseminate your words, and I can, but why waste my day on more of this nonsense. Lets pretend I am a troll, you are feeding me non-stop. So stop it. And no, I did not knee jerk. I was pretty happy with the win last night. I even watched it a second time with the Indiana feed. Go on your religious war without involving me. In the future, if you don't like what I say, or feel my statements are that of a "troll," just flag me and MOVE ON.

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Post#716 » by cn0gd » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:52 am

94Nuggets wrote:
cn0gd wrote:"Last poster said something weird" is your OPINION not FACT, clearly other guys has different take than yours, as there is EVIDENCE(which you conveniently ignored) shows another poster indeed said something about Lin's bad defense. his OPINION is closer to FACT(where he got it wrong is "one" not "some") than your OPINION and the other guys ACCUSATION.

If one keep taking his own OPINION or the OPINION of other people he agree on as granted FACT, and feel himself sitting on moral high ground start to ALIENATE other people with DIFFERENT OPINIONS, this is where truly weird thing start to happen. and if some guys start to take Lin thread as AUSCHWITZ to jail other people hold different OPINIONS on LIN, IMO it's very close to those bogans yelling "go back to China" at you on the street-- a shame for this forum.


Your hyperbole has gone over the top, pointing out a non-sequitur comment is not relateable to genocide. I gave you 4 quotes that were supposed to be a linear conversation. The last comment failed to follow the logic of the statements that were previously made. The last poster was defending Jeremy's defense to... read this very literally... to no one.

GoodDayLa thinks Lin can lead a team to a championship. I haven't seen proof of that, but I also don't attack him personally for his opinion. I just think his opinion is based on his hopes/expectations of Lin. So far, all we've seen of Lin is potential. He flashes dominance in games, but then he goes back to a less featured roll on offense. I've kept track of Lin since he was behind Acie Law in the depth chart, if you know when and who that is. Can a high usage Jeremy Lin team win games? The answer simply doesn't exist yet. For non-Lin fans, they think the answer is "no." For some Lin fans, the answer is "yes." For myself, the answer is, "he has at least two years to prove either group wrong or right." I am rooting for a second coming of Linsanity, that was a once in a lifetime ride. I projected 42 wins in the season predictions thread, more than anyone else, and it wasn't because the Nets picked up Scola or Vasquez in free agency. I am a Lin homer, but I also understand the difference between fact and fiction. You don't need to give me a lesson on the two.

Erichang can have all the opinions he wants, but when he is arguing with himself, I don't have a problem pointing it out. He was either being too lazy to properly carry a logical conversation, doesn't have a complete grasp of the English language, or is a troll. His knee-jerk reaction to protect Jeremy Lin's defense was unnecessary and "weird." I'm pretty sure the term "weird" is subjective, and would never be quantified as a fact. If another poster thinks "weird" Jeremy Lin related posts should be in the Lin thread, I agree 100%. Otherwise he's just making unnecessary noise to promote his agenda on a game thread, that's supposed to be based around the game, not a poster's personal soap box.


everyone have his own agenda, or his own point of view and freedom to express it, some guys support theirs with stats/facts and logic, and guys like your friend support it with name calling and personal insult, and you like to put up a imaginary state of mind and planted it in other's head. donsnt work on me. you dont need the lesson while you are doing it at the same time.

back to the point. if one's subjective view of other's post is weird, can he ask the poster post elsewhere? as all posters here are equal, everyone has the right to do that, so everyone can do the same? then it comes to a point that the guys posting "weird" post has the same right to recon your post is also, "weird" to him, and ask you to post somewhere else. here comes the paradox--if you recon everyone's equal, and "weird" is subjective, then you probably should not agree to give anyone freedom to request other people to post it elsewhere-- it should be the power only belong to mod's, this authority should not be delegated to any regular poster, and if you agree the behavior 100% then you are going for 100% chaos.

after all, if one cant take differences of other people at ease even on an internet forum, and cant help jump out and telling others go away, probably the problem is not with the guy with different views.
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Post#717 » by TTNN » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:09 am

Prokorov wrote:
reelsgm wrote:
Prokorov wrote:i mean, i loved watching lin tonite yet im sitting here now hating the guy because his fans are so obnoxious


It's your perogative to hate on any player you want including Lin - and for whatever reason you choose.


saying i hate on lin is a bit riddiculous. since the real games have started i have nothing but praise him. its the lin fans and their constant inescurity and need to defend lin for even the most miniscule criticisms or observations that make things unbearable here.


Your life will be much better if you could identify and ignore one or two extreme fans/trolls, and not fall for their bait.

That will actually make a lot other fans' life easier. As a Lin fan, i appreciate fan's opinion who follow the team for a long time, as I don't know much of the history of this team. However, it hurts that you keeps falling to some troll's bait and argue with them. Some of the trolls we have seen in multiple boards already, and they kept doing similar things:

1. they will praise Lin as a god who could do everything single handed
2. they will set such a high and ridiculous standard for Lin to meet, otherwise, Lin is trash
3. they will argue both sides with anyone who doesn't agree with them.
3a. if you think Lin is not that good, he will argue with you because he thinks Lin is the best PG in the whole wide world,
3b. if you think Lin is not that bad, he will argue with you because he thinks you are making excuse for Lin since Lin is so good, he could not have a single off game, and he is so good, that he could not have a single bad play

So fans will think he is Lin fan because he thinks Lin is second to god, on the other hand, he is constantly trashing Lin for every single bad play, and trashing Lin fans since they are making excuse.

I highly suggest you just ignore those ones who are not consistent with their opinions and keep shifting target poles when they discuss with you, they don't really care your opinion, all he cares is that more people will come to against him, and before you know, they will argue among themselves, and he just need to watch and be happy and feel he is smart......

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