Harrison Barnes Preseason Stats.

[crazy_me_87]

I think its clear he likley wont average 25ppg for the Season.. but i think 17-19ppg Are reasonable.
The bashing he got following the Finals and his preseason performance has made im actually look way worse than he really is.
He still has all the Tools to be a very good future Player for the Mavs

[DaKnicksAreBack]

I still don't get why Barnes was laughed out of town.

Harden didn't have a stellar finals performance either, as a talented rookie-contract player playing behind more established all-star options.

You can't suck that bad if you're starting and averaging 26+ mpg on a 73-9 team.

People are gonna eat crow. Barnes looks good in these 2 games. His handles look smoother.

He's definitely improved his handle

[cpower]

he is a decent shooter. so if you give him the green light for 20 jump shot attempt per night, he will score 20. But still an average offensive player.

[jmnvcavs]

I dunno man I think Parsons is a lot better player, but Barnes is more durable.

[bran muffin]

I dunno man I think Parsons is a lot better player, but Barnes is more durable.

The "better" player is the one who actually suits up to play games.

Parsons finished both of his seasons in Dallas on the bench injured --- watching his teammates lose playoff games without him. Actually, he began last season on the injury list too. Just like he's beginning this season on the bench rehabbing his knee in Memphis. He is always hurt. Always.

You can understand why the Mavs handed a $94M contract to Harrison Barnes rather than Chandler Parsons.

[inquisitive]

he is on the same level as chandler parsons...maybe slightly better

[3Diamantidis]

None of the 2 is worthy of their contracts.
That's what they have in common.

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

[bran muffin]

None of the 2 is worthy of their contracts.
That's what they have in common.

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

Harrison Barnes and a (healthy) Chandler Parsons are both better than Crowder.

[og15]

he is on the same level as chandler parsons...maybe slightly better

Not sure we can say that Barnes is better than Parsons based on what we've seen before, we'll see how he plays this season. Parsons has shown himself previously to be a superior shooter and better at creating and as a playmaker. Now when the question of who a team would prefer comes up, then you have to take into account age and injury history. Not that Parsons is old, but he is older, and he's had some injury issues that could be worrying.

[og15]

None of the 2 is worthy of their contracts.
That's what they have in common.

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

Harrison Barnes and a (healthy) Chandler Parsons are both better than Crowder.

I don't know if the GS version of Barnes showed himself to be better than Crowder as he has shown himself in Boston. We'll see though, we're two games into him having a larger role as a player.

[bran muffin]

None of the 2 is worthy of their contracts.
That's what they have in common.

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

Harrison Barnes and a (healthy) Chandler Parsons are both better than Crowder.

I don't know if the GS version of Barnes showed himself to be better than Crowder as he has shown himself in Boston. We'll see though, we're two games into him having a larger role as a player.

Jae Crowder would've been a 15-minute bit player for the Warriors, like he was in Dallas. There's only so much you can do with an undersized 6'4" small forward who can't shoot, can't dribble, and can't rebound. Crowder is 100% hustle and attitude --- but that can only carry you so far.

Contrary to popular misconception, Crowder was never "overlooked" in Dallas. He played only 15 minutes per game over three years because the other small forwards --- Parsons, Vince Carter & Aminu --- were flat out better than he was during those years.

[og15]

Harrison Barnes and a (healthy) Chandler Parsons are both better than Crowder.

I don't know if the GS version of Barnes showed himself to be better than Crowder as he has shown himself in Boston. We'll see though, we're two games into him having a larger role as a player.

Jae Crowder would've been a 15-minute bit player for the Warriors, like he was in Dallas.

Contrary to popular misconception, Crowder was never "overlooked" in Dallas. He played only 15 minutes per game over three years because the other small forwards --- Parsons, Vince Carter & Aminu --- were flat out better than he was during those years.

Sometimes it is about being in the right situation to give you the needed opportunity. Barnes was also a lottery pick which will generally allow a player to get greater opportunity unless they are terrible. It true that where a player is chosen in the draft can have an impact on things like minutes early in their career unless the player obviously surprises over and beyond.

Of course Crowder is not stagnant as a player, he wasn't incapable of improving and it seems like he also still continued to improve as a player. It's not so important whether he wouldn't have gotten minutes on GS, it's more important what kind of players they are now and what kind of production and impact they can have on a team. Based on that, he has shown himself to be in the mix with those guys as a two way player.

[Texas Chuck]

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

Mods, he is baiting us.

Trust me dude we know how much that one hurts. And its worse this year because we gave Dwight Powell a big long-term contract for some reason.


The bottom line is Barnes is what he is--a 4th or 5th starter on a good team whom Dallas needs to be more than that, but I really don't believe he can be despite the production the first 2 games. I'd rather have a healthy Parsons, but its clear Dallas' medical people didn't think that was going to be possible.

At least Barnes is a really good dude. He and Wes Matthews are a very underwhelming wing duo, but they are guys the community can be proud of as human beings and with Dirk on his way out, that's not nothing.

[Texas Chuck]

Contrary to popular misconception, Crowder was never "overlooked" in Dallas. He played only 15 minutes per game over three years because the other small forwards --- Parsons, Vince Carter & Aminu --- were flat out better than he was during those years.

Aminu didn't get on the floor ahead of Crowder tho. If you recall Aminu didn't really come into prominence until late in the year, and most of his success was at the 4 either as Dirk's backup or playing next to Dirk.

He didn't play here as much because Rick is an offensive guy first. But he definitely should have been playing ahead of guys like Vince and Devin Harris.

But full credit to him for going to Boston where there was opportunity and taking advantage of that.

Oh and I think he'd definitely be a key rotation guy if he was somehow in Golden State.

[OnceUponADime]

Barnes off to a strong start. Dallas would be happy if he maintained 3/4 of this for rest of the season.

[dc]

The bottom line is Barnes is what he is--a 4th or 5th starter on a good team whom Dallas needs to be more than that, but I really don't believe he can be despite the production the first 2 games. I'd rather have a healthy Parsons, but its clear Dallas' medical people didn't think that was going to be possible.

At least Barnes is a really good dude. He and Wes Matthews are a very underwhelming wing duo, but they are guys the community can be proud of as human beings and with Dirk on his way out, that's not nothing.

I was surprised and impressed by what I saw from Barnes in some of that game vs. the Rockets last night, especially in the 4th even though the game started slipping away from the Mavs.

In GS Barnes would hit some shots, and sometimes they'd even be timely buckets. It's not like he could never score at all. But you just never felt as though this guy could string together multiple possessions where he really looked like he was taking charge and making an impact. It was just kind of like he'd hit a shot every now and then to remind you he existed and you'd say to yourself "Hey, Barnes hit a shot! I'll take it!" It was like found money. And then of course you'd go back to forgetting about him altogether.

Last night I actually saw him really charge and look to score on multiple trips down the floor in the 4th, and he had success doing it. He had a look of determination I don't remember seeing before.

I don't know if he can keep up this kind of output, but the main thing is that he's out there fighting and competing. Perhaps the lack of a safety net where he knows he's the guy being counted on is the big factor. Even if this output is the result of playing as a small ball PF or just due to higher usage rate on a team that doesn't have much better options to manufacture a bucket, it's still a good start for Barnes.

[Shock Defeat]

Last night all Barnes did was isolate and score. His shot was on. He still didn't consistently show the ability to penetrate the defense or playmaker for others. At best he can be a better defensive version of Rudy Gay.

[Boof]

None of the 2 is worthy of their contracts.
That's what they have in common.

....to think that dallas had Crowder.....

Harrison Barnes and a (healthy) Chandler Parsons are both better than Crowder.

Crowder also makes a quarter of what Barnes makes. Curious to see if Barnes will keep up his current play, didn't someone make a thread about Barnes becoming the next Harden and was laughed at (and at the time rightfully so)?

[BIG FURB]

Last night all Barnes did was isolate and score. His shot was on. He still didn't consistently show the ability to penetrate the defense or playmaker for others. At best he can be a better defensive version of Rudy Gay.

Baby steps, he's gotta prove that he can isolate and score with any consistency before he can start playmaking for others. Gotta make defenses respect him first

[510TWSS]

How he scored last night was largely how he scored with GSW. He just got to shoot it more. Some of his buckets came after the game was decided.