3rd time's a charm?: Cle vs Orl 10/29

[SOUL]

Exum/Johnson/Ingles/Burkes/Hood?

I meant more quality wing/forward depth that can scoot to the SF position. Hood is great, Johnson is on his last legs but isn't a long term answer. Exum isn't ready and is probably a PG/SG, and Burks reminds me of Afflalo at best. They'd have to hope that Hood turns into their best player.

[fendilim]

I think Tobias is a fine player but I don't miss him. He wouldn't exactly be what the doctor ordered for our team right now. He'd be just another guy who isn't a great outside shooter. If he becomes a 40% 3pt shooter for an entire season, I might miss him a little bit.

He'd easily be one of our best shooters on this team. He shot close to 37% before and after Skiles.

I'd still rather have him than Jeff Green.

[SOUL]

He'd easily be one of our best shooters on this team. He shot close to 37% before and after Skiles.

I'd still rather have him than Jeff Green.

I agree with that second statement, but the first statement isn't true at all.

First year he shot 31% when we acquired him from Milwaukee (didn't matter, he still played really good when we first got him...)

Second year he shot 25% from three.

Third year was the one where he shot 36%...

Then he was at 31% before he was traded.

I feel like we're remembering Tobias as some sort of shooter that's the missing link here. It was his scoring and aggressiveness in other ways that was helpful.

He's shooting way better in Detroit, now.

[fendilim]

He'd easily be one of our best shooters on this team. He shot close to 37% before and after Skiles.

I'd still rather have him than Jeff Green.

I agree with that second statement, but the first statement isn't true at all.

First year he shot 31% when we acquired him from Milwaukee (didn't matter, he still played really good when we first got him...)

Second year he shot 25% from three.

Third year was the one where he shot 36%...

Then he was at 31% before he was traded.

I feel like we're remembering Tobias as some sort of shooter that's the missing link here. It was his scoring and aggressiveness in other ways that was helpful.

He's shooting way better in Detroit, now.

So the guy cant improve hah?

Thats why i said before and after Skiles because he was misused by Skiles. Its no secret both hoted each other.

We need his ability to create on this team.

[bigpimpatl]

Then you involve a third party, we have plenty of assets to make a trade feasible just got to do your homework prior.

We definitely need to go small. Ibaka at center and Gordon at the 4 with Biyombo being the first big off the bench.

Boston - Vucevic
Orlando- Hayward
Utah - Crowder

Picks will be involved.

(9 man rotation)

Payton - Augustine
Fournier - Hezonja
Hayward - Green
Gordon
Ibaka - Biyombo

Did you ever stop and ask yourself why you would trade Jae Crowder for Nikola Vucevic? Critical thinking.

Go to their boards or even the TT boards and you'll see where I gathered my critical thinking from bud. First off they just drafted with the #3 pick a wing that is more than capable of filling and developing into Crowders role. They desperately in need of a solid consistent rebounder and some C fans have already brought up Vuc as a target so it's not as far fetched as you make it seem. Like I said picks would have to be involved.

Oh I get it. So other posters say it so it must be correct. That's not critical thinking.

Critical thinking is realizing that Jae Crowder is a beast on defense and has improved offensively every year, while signed to a very team friendly contract that can easily fetch more than Vucevic and oh btw, they just gave max money to Horford and have Olynyk and Tyler Zeller behind him. So why would Danny Ainge make that trade?

[SOUL]

Thats why i said before and after Skiles because he was misused by Skiles. Its no secret both hoted each other.

We need his ability to create on this team.

Well that's always been an issue the last few years... opportunity and putting players in the right position to succeed.

I'm just challenging the thought that Harris was a good shooter for us. Him and Aaron seem very similar on that level. I think AG can get around 35% this year.

[fendilim]

Thats why i said before and after Skiles because he was misused by Skiles. Its no secret both hoted each other.

We need his ability to create on this team.

Well that's always been an issue the last few years... opportunity and putting players in the right position to succeed.

I'm just challenging the thought that Harris was a good shooter for us. Him and Aaron seem very similar on that level. I think AG can get around 35% this year.

at the rate pur players shoot them threes now, he'd be one of our best shooters. Unfortunately.

[SD2042]

I don't think we have anything the Jazz would want for Hayward.

Then you involve a third party, we have plenty of assets to make a trade feasible just got to do your homework prior.

We definitely need to go small. Ibaka at center and Gordon at the 4 with Biyombo being the first big off the bench.

Boston - Vucevic
Orlando- Hayward
Utah - Crowder

Picks will be involved.

(9 man rotation)

Payton - Augustine
Fournier - Hezonja
Hayward - Green
Gordon
Ibaka - Biyombo

PHX - Vucevic
Utah - Knight + Fournier
Orlando - Hayward
is what I came up with off the top

Why the talk of Hayward to the Magic just happening all of a sudden? I noticed it originally from the last few days. I can't see a trade where Hayward is leaving Utah when they are an upcoming team to try and make the playoffs this year. I can see the Magic making some critical moves later into the season, but Hayward being involve I don't figure is in the plans.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Atleast they showed a pulse tonight. Really liked what I seen in the 4th.

[Bensational]

Tobias Harris is the answer at the 3 now?

The same Tobias Harris that everyone was screaming was too slow to play the 3?

The same Tobias Harris who was only scoring 13.7ppg and shooting 31% from 3?

The same Tobias Harris who looks a lot better now because he's being given more freedom and opportunity?

Maybe we should just trade AG so that everyone will start appreciating him again.

[the_hobo]

I liked the fight in the 4th. If vogel lights a fire under our asses every quarter, our team has a chance to do decent work. We should break 40 wins.

[KqWIN]

Then you involve a third party, we have plenty of assets to make a trade feasible just got to do your homework prior.

We definitely need to go small. Ibaka at center and Gordon at the 4 with Biyombo being the first big off the bench.

Boston - Vucevic
Orlando- Hayward
Utah - Crowder

Picks will be involved.

(9 man rotation)

Payton - Augustine
Fournier - Hezonja
Hayward - Green
Gordon
Ibaka - Biyombo

PHX - Vucevic
Utah - Knight + Fournier
Orlando - Hayward
is what I came up with off the top

Why the talk of Hayward to the Magic just happening all of a sudden? I noticed it originally from the last few days. I can't see a trade where Hayward is leaving Utah when they are an upcoming team to try and make the playoffs this year. I can see the Magic making some critical moves later into the season, but Hayward being involve I don't figure is in the plans.

I'm finding it amusing.

[ivDT]

ugh. smith probably airballs a couple of those 3s if he was playing against another team.

he shot 40% from the 3 tonight. He is a career 38% 3pt shooter.

i know the guy's a good, if streaky, 3pt shooter. it just would've been nice if he could've waited until the cavs next game to go on a hot streak.

he was like 1/5 from 3 before going 3/5 in the final 4 minutes of the game. pretty sure he even hit a couple where he was at least 4 feet behind the 3pt line or had a hand in his face. really annoying.

[EAS Law]

I would be pained to watch the game tonight knowing our current state, so can someone summarize what we did well to come back within 6 at the end?

Anything noteworthy that may translate to the next game?

I'm not off the wagon yet, but I certainly have tempered expectations now. If we are going to be a bad team, we need to be a very bad team.

[ivDT]

I would be pained to watch the game tonight knowing our current state, so can someone summarize what we did well to come back within 6 at the end?

Anything noteworthy that may translate to the next game?

I'm not off the wagon yet, but I certainly have tempered expectations now. If we are going to be a bad team, we need to be a very bad team.

in a nutshell: the cavs went cold and we did a really good job of limiting them to one shot. on our end, we just made our 3s.

[ChosenSavior]

I would be pained to watch the game tonight knowing our current state, so can someone summarize what we did well to come back within 6 at the end?

Anything noteworthy that may translate to the next game?

I'm not off the wagon yet, but I certainly have tempered expectations now. If we are going to be a bad team, we need to be a very bad team.

We played with more effort than the other two games combined. They started to miss shots and we were able to capitalize. Also played some small ball a bit which improved our spacing offensively.

Seems that Frank is experimenting with rotations right now in these games to see what will work going forward.

[PrimeThyme]

It's going to be all about effort and defense with this team. Effort leads to defense and defense leads to offense. It won't be one or the other. I still believe this team can be good if they can commit to all 3.

[MagicMadness]

I'm really impressed with how Payton's shot has looked through the first 3 games.

Some dudes just have a broken shot and can never fix it (Brandon Jennings, Rudy Gay, etc.) Payton might be on to something, and if he is, we've got ourselves a PG we can get behind.

[swarlesbarkley]

Didn't get to see much of the game but I don't mind losing my bet when our guys play tough against the champions! Do we have a reason for optimism or did we come back against their scrubs or starters who had given up on D?

[OrlandO]

Didn't get to see much of the game but I don't mind losing my bet when our guys play tough against the champions! Do we have a reason for optimism or did we come back against their scrubs or starters who had given up on D?

Cavs went cold for a long stretch and they also had some boneheaded plays that helped us. Good news is the magic played hard against starters (lebron, kyrie and love played most of the 4th)... somewhat bad news is it was mostly our bench that made the comeback. More precisely, DJ Augustin with 10 pts in the first six minutes of the 4th. Mario hit a big 3 and blocked a dunk attempt. I thought Jeff Green played some good defense and was active on the boards. I believe Biyombo got a clean dunk on a play with DJ. Some of our starters kept it interesting towards the end - Ibaka had a couple nasty dunks, Elf made a nice pullup jumper in transition, and fournier hit a deep 3 - but they also let JR Smith make 3 threes which kept it out of reach and ultimately sealed the game.