2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

Scott Hall · Post #221 » by **Scott Hall** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:44 am

Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Post #222 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:14 am

Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Don't know why you'd say that. This draft was considered a little weak at the top in terms of star power, but really deep, and I think it's proving to live up to that. So many of these kids are super young as well, they got drafted for their tools, not their immediate production.

I've seen a lot of guys put in good minutes so far, including 2nd rounders like McCaw, Felder, Ulis and Brogdon.

Heck, as a Raps fan, you should be pretty happy, Siakam is starting and Poeltl had a good game today. Not bad for the start of season 1.

The cream of the crop will rise to the top of this draft class in due time. Whether there's star potential from anyone other than Simmons, I doubt, but their will be a lot of good players.

Scott Hall · Post #223 » by **Scott Hall** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:43 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Don't know why you'd say that. This draft was considered a little weak at the top in terms of star power, but really deep, and I think it's proving to live up to that. So many of these kids are super young as well, they got drafted for their tools, not their immediate production.

I've seen a lot of guys put in good minutes so far, including 2nd rounders like McCaw, Felder, Ulis and Brogdon.

Heck, as a Raps fan, you should be pretty happy, Siakam is starting and Poeltl had a good game today. Not bad for the start of season 1.

The cream of the crop will rise to the top of this draft class in due time. Whether there's star potential from anyone other than Simmons, I doubt, but their will be a lot of good players.

Meh sounds like you're grasping at straws to be honest...Haven't really been impressed with anybody

Kabookalu · Post #224 » by **Kabookalu** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:28 pm

It doesn't help that the top pick isn't going to be playing for a while. And technically Embiid is a rookie, and he's looked really awesome so far.

Post #225 » by **Slava** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:04 pm

Brandon Ingram is already the best defender on the team. The length alone makes such a big difference in bothering iso scorers like Harden.

perempe20 · Post #226 » by **perempe20** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:57 pm

Ingram ran the court like a Ferrari in the first game. hope he won't slow down because of turing pro.

Post #227 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:39 pm

GimmeDat wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Don't know why you'd say that. This draft was considered a little weak at the top in terms of star power, but really deep, and I think it's proving to live up to that. So many of these kids are super young as well, they got drafted for their tools, not their immediate production.

I've seen a lot of guys put in good minutes so far, including 2nd rounders like McCaw, Felder, Ulis and Brogdon.

Heck, as a Raps fan, you should be pretty happy, Siakam is starting and Poeltl had a good game today. Not bad for the start of season 1.

The cream of the crop will rise to the top of this draft class in due time. Whether there's star potential from anyone other than Simmons, I doubt, but their will be a lot of good players.

How has Felder put in good minutes? He has yet to see the court in both of Cleveland's games. Ulis played 2 minutes in his last game. McCaw barely saw any minutes when the game was close the 1st game. It seems like you're really grasping at straws here.

I agree that it's to early to officially call this a weak draft, I mean were only about two games in. But if you were like myself and many others who thought this was going to end up being a terrible draft, so far two games in nothing has made me change my mind on that. But in reality we won't know how good this draft class will be for another couple years.

Chuck Everett · Post #228 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:53 pm

It doesn't help that Simmons got injured, but some of these guys were drafted into situations where they were clearly not going to start immediately (like Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray). Kris Dunn is interesting, but once Thibs was there, you knew he was going to bring him along slowly. Let's give it a month first.

Even Brandon Ingram has to share shots with Russell, Clarkson and Randle, who all love shooting.

Post #229 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:47 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Don't know why you'd say that. This draft was considered a little weak at the top in terms of star power, but really deep, and I think it's proving to live up to that. So many of these kids are super young as well, they got drafted for their tools, not their immediate production.

I've seen a lot of guys put in good minutes so far, including 2nd rounders like McCaw, Felder, Ulis and Brogdon.

Heck, as a Raps fan, you should be pretty happy, Siakam is starting and Poeltl had a good game today. Not bad for the start of season 1.

The cream of the crop will rise to the top of this draft class in due time. Whether there's star potential from anyone other than Simmons, I doubt, but their will be a lot of good players.

How has Felder put in good minutes? He has yet to see the court in both of Cleveland's games. Ulis played 2 minutes in his last game. McCaw barely saw any minutes when the game was close the 1st game. It seems like you're really grasping at straws here.

I agree that it's to early to officially call this a weak draft, I mean were only about two games in. But if you were like myself and many others who thought this was going to end up being a terrible draft, so far two games in nothing has made me change my mind on that. But in reality we won't know how good this draft class will be for another couple years.

We're a game or two in, so I'm referencing pre-season as well. Obviously they're not near set rotations, but they showed promise.

It's always going to sound like grasping at straws if you're trying to point at performances a couple of days in to the season. They're rookies for a reason, and there's a lot of talent out there that will show itself through the season.

MUpacersSIC · Post #230 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:05 am

I think people are trying to compare last years that was unexpectedly amazing to this years class, which is probably not a good idea. I don't think anyone thought this class was going to have as much success right off the bat. In fact, I think last years draft will go down as one of the better ones in the last decade.

Patsfan1081 · Post #231 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:41 am

Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Big difference in crappy and a draft that's filled with raw talent. More and more kids seem to be coming out as freshman and being drafted early doesn't automatically equate to a starting spot anymore. Simmons is injured, Ingram, Brown, and Chriss have looked good in limited minutes. It just seems really early to judge.

Patsfan1081 · Post #232 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:44 am

MUpacersSIC wrote:I think people are trying to compare last years that was unexpectedly amazing to this years class, which is probably not a good idea. I don't think anyone thought this class was going to have as much success right off the bat. In fact, I think last years draft will go down as one of the better ones in the last decade.

Last years draft didn't have much succes early on either, besides Towns who really stood out early on?

ajones9219 · Post #233 » by **ajones9219** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:09 am

Scott Hall wrote:Super early but it's looking like it was one crappy draft

Take a look at Jaylen Brown. He has made a few rookie mistakes but the kid is balling out.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #234 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:18 am

Yall I don't see it with Saric. It isn't the numbers but just his lack of athleticism and what looks like a shaky jumper. What am I missing here?

76ciology · Post #235 » by **76ciology** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:58 am

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Yall I don't see it with Saric. It isn't the numbers but just his lack of athleticism and what looks like a shaky jumper. What am I missing here?

He struggles horribly but makes the team slightly better based on NetRtg. Thus, nobody complains much about him despite his struggles. He plays the right way, with effort, on both ends. And he'll be much better once he gains his shooting (something he has shown much improvement in Euro).

Nevertheless, he's always looked at being a role player with the Sixers rather than part of the team's top players.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #236 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:00 am

76ciology wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Yall I don't see it with Saric. It isn't the numbers but just his lack of athleticism and what looks like a shaky jumper. What am I missing here?

He struggles horribly but makes the team slightly better based on NetRtg. Thus, nobody complains much about him despite his struggles. He plays the right way, with effort, on both ends. And he'll be much better once he gains his shooting (something he has shown much improvement in Euro).

Nevertheless, he's always looked at being a role player with the Sixers rather than part of the team's top players.

Many thanks for the response. For now, I can just see teams targeting him repeatedly in the pnr and leaving him a bit open for jumpers. Will be interesting to see how he develops this year.

76ciology · Post #237 » by **76ciology** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:00 am

If one thing this draft class has to be thankful with, it's that the top picks belongs to teams that already has talent in place. Imagine the heat Jaylen Brown or Dunn will have if Nets fans/media asks much from them being a top 3 pick.

76ciology · Post #238 » by **76ciology** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:03 am

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Yall I don't see it with Saric. It isn't the numbers but just his lack of athleticism and what looks like a shaky jumper. What am I missing here?

He struggles horribly but makes the team slightly better based on NetRtg. Thus, nobody complains much about him despite his struggles. He plays the right way, with effort, on both ends. And he'll be much better once he gains his shooting (something he has shown much improvement in Euro).

Nevertheless, he's always looked at being a role player with the Sixers rather than part of the team's top players.

Many thanks for the response. For now, I can just see teams targeting him repeatedly in the pnr and leaving him a bit open for jumpers. Will be interesting to see how he develops this year.

From eyetest,specially against the Hawks game, there's actually no issue with him on D. He is pretty good with switching to guard perimter players. Then he's pretty active in grabbing boards. What's frustrating is how badly he is missing open shots.

JellosJigglin · Post #239 » by **JellosJigglin** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:37 am

Chuck Everett wrote:It doesn't help that Simmons got injured, but some of these guys were drafted into situations where they were clearly not going to start immediately (like Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray). Kris Dunn is interesting, but once Thibs was there, you knew he was going to bring him along slowly. Let's give it a month first.

Even Brandon Ingram has to share shots with Russell, Clarkson and Randle, who all love shooting.

Which is partly why Luke has been playing him at PG. He isn't a passer on the level of Ben Simmons but his guard skills are a part of his game that I never knew he had. And remember, he's the same age as many college freshmen. Ingram is actually younger than Josh Jackson, who's expected to go in the top 3 of the '17 draft.

bigpimpatl · Post #240 » by **bigpimpatl** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:09 am

76ciology wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
76ciology wrote:He struggles horribly but makes the team slightly better based on NetRtg. Thus, nobody complains much about him despite his struggles. He plays the right way, with effort, on both ends. And he'll be much better once he gains his shooting (something he has shown much improvement in Euro).

Nevertheless, he's always looked at being a role player with the Sixers rather than part of the team's top players.

Many thanks for the response. For now, I can just see teams targeting him repeatedly in the pnr and leaving him a bit open for jumpers. Will be interesting to see how he develops this year.

From eyetest,specially against the Hawks game, there's actually no issue with him on D. He is pretty good with switching to guard perimter players. Then he's pretty active in grabbing boards. What's frustrating is how badly he is missing open shots.

Saric has been pro now for two years so I'm not surprised he is seeing the floor so early. He knows where to be defensively and that's good for a rookie. He really improved his 3pt shot at Anadolou Efes so I think it's only a matter of time till the ball goes into the hoop.

Who will make the All Rookie 1st Team?