RJ Hunter

Post #21 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:22 pm

Not going to lie I thought Hunter was a steal where he was taken. Seems like I was pretty off on him, thought he was going to be a stud SG.

No-Man · Post #22 » by **No-Man** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:58 am

Thesse so called shooters that cant shot, Ellenson is another greast excample of this, end up disappointing, Hunter was a chucker with 0 offensive awareness at GA St. playing for a supertalented mid/major team, I had hopes with him after his sophmore season but he has never evolved, not even in college, he was a reach as a 1st rounder and he's likely gonna end up as a China-league type player.

Stauskas is different, he has 0 confidence right now and cant get by with his physical limitations at the NBA level unless he is nailing shots, but he is a better passer and understands the game, plus he has a high chance of getting a lithuanian passport, I think eventually he will be a good euroleague player.

No-Man · Post #23 » by **No-Man** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:59 am

Duke4life831 wrote:Not going to lie I thought Hunter was a steal where he was taken. Seems like I was pretty off on him, thought he was going to be a stud SG.

I was high on him, having him sort of late lotto before the season started, like in the summer of 2014, hoping for improvements that never came, I highly downgraded him and had him as a possible flyer after the top40.

Post #24 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:25 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Celtics are a dumb team. Too many young players and zero minutes to develop. Ainge has to win deals, so then he's forced to just waive players. Hunter will catch on somewhere else, just like Bentil just did.

He's done a much better job in acquiring draft picks than actually using them. And getting Horford in free agency was huge.

kennydorglas · Post #25 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:44 pm

I still think he can be a Danny Green type of player in the league.

Post #26 » by **Marcus** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:09 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Not going to lie I thought Hunter was a steal where he was taken. Seems like I was pretty off on him, thought he was going to be a stud SG.

Not ready to give up on him just yet. Hopefully he can land in a spot where he can get a chance to showcase his game. I think he'll have to tailor it to fit the level of competition he's facing so he won't be a volume guy like in college but he has the necessary game to carve a role if given a chance I still think.

DarkAzcura · Post #27 » by **DarkAzcura** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:33 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Celtics are a dumb team. Too many young players and zero minutes to develop. Ainge has to win deals, so then he's forced to just waive players. Hunter will catch on somewhere else, just like Bentil just did.

So you are saying the Celtics should overpay in other trades so that they can make room at the end of the bench for second rounders and late first rounders?

It stinks that the Celtics have to let go of these players early, but it's a good problem to have. Overpaying just to fit your late picks on the team would be an oversight. There's really only so much Ainge could do with 8 pick in this year's draft. That's over half a team worth of draft picks, lol.

And this new commentary over the last few months that Ainge tries too hard to win deals is very odd to me. I'd prefer that he doesn't just give away assets because he theoretically can. That's kind of the opposite of smart.

DaddyCool19 · Post #28 » by **DaddyCool19** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:37 pm

Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Not going to lie I thought Hunter was a steal where he was taken. Seems like I was pretty off on him, thought he was going to be a stud SG.

I was high on him, having him sort of late lotto before the season started, like in the summer of 2014, hoping for improvements that never came, I highly downgraded him and had him as a possible flyer after the top40.

Why are you lying? I just went into your 2015 mock thread and you had him at 27 and 29 with your last posts in that thread.

Btw. you had Towns as the 4th pick. I think that says it all

Bakuto · Post #29 » by **Bakuto** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:12 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Not going to lie I thought Hunter was a steal where he was taken. Seems like I was pretty off on him, thought he was going to be a stud SG.

I was high on him, having him sort of late lotto before the season started, like in the summer of 2014, hoping for improvements that never came, I highly downgraded him and had him as a possible flyer after the top40.

Why are you lying? I just went into your 2015 mock thread and you had him at 27 and 29 with your last posts in that thread.

Btw. you had Towns as the 4th pick. I think that says it all

Curmudgeon · Post #30 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:25 pm

Hunter can't defend a chair. He doesn't stay in front of his man and sticks to picks like velcro; he's 5 feet behind the play on just about every pick and roll. That's why the Celtics waived him.

He was also supposed to be a 3 pt. sniper but he shot under 30% from beyond the arc last year in the D-league. It's easy to get carried away when a guy hits a big shot or two in the tournament (as Hunter did), but in fact his game is flawed.

MC3 · Post #31 » by **MC3** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:04 pm

RJ is flawed player. But which player isnt as late first round pick. I think it's too early to judge him. Just one year after draft. Usually 3 years are given to players to determine who and what they are in NBA. We can talk about flaws in his game but those are all expected ones for player in first year. There is nothing out of ordinary to say. Talking about defense is weird given he didnt come into league with reputation as defensive player. It was expected to struggle on that end. Those guys usually need some time to find footing in the league. Bad shooting from 3pt can be explained with couple different reason. Adjusting to 3pt line and NBA game where defenders are more faster and athletic, not enough playing time and touches to get into rhythm are just some. And then there are ones like confidence issues.

Anyway Celtics waived him cause they couldnt afford to keep him. You dont get rid of young player, 1st round pick on rookie contract after one year if you arent forced. My guess is it will take him some time to find his place in NBA. He has size and height to be solid defender even when he is struggling. His college steal stats also show he is not completely clueless on defensive end of the floor. And his shooting mechanics looks pure enough to be at least average perimeter NBA shooter in years to come if he is hard worker.

Curmudgeon · Post #32 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:44 pm

MC3 wrote:
Anyway Celtics waived him cause they couldnt afford to keep him. You dont get rid of young player, 1st round pick on rookie contract after one year if you arent forced.

The kept Demetrius Jackson, a 45th pick this year, over Hunter. That should tell you something right there.

Chuck Everett · Post #33 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:21 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
MC3 wrote:
Anyway Celtics waived him cause they couldnt afford to keep him. You dont get rid of young player, 1st round pick on rookie contract after one year if you arent forced.

The kept Demetrius Jackson, a 45th pick this year, over Hunter. That should tell you something right there.

This is all well and good, but with another gazillion picks next year, what are the odds Jackson is on the roster next year? And I think Jackson can definitely stick in the league. The Celtics have too many assets and Ainge refuses to consolidate, so you will keep losing them year after year, while still being no closer to a title.

MC3 · Post #34 » by **MC3** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:25 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
MC3 wrote:
Anyway Celtics waived him cause they couldnt afford to keep him. You dont get rid of young player, 1st round pick on rookie contract after one year if you arent forced.

The kept Demetrius Jackson, a 45th pick this year, over Hunter. That should tell you something right there.

I dont see problem. I was high on Jackson on draft night. I thought he was going 12-20 range. It was weird draft overall. If Celtics cut Jackson year from now, be damn sure someone will pick him up.

Post #35 » by **Marcus** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:30 pm

Glad RJ got picked up. Hope he gets a legit shot.

Curmudgeon · Post #36 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:53 pm

Marcus wrote:Glad RJ got picked up. Hope he gets a legit shot.

I do too; he seems like a nice kid (although I also remember Durocher's dictum). But he's going to blow his shot if he doesn't improve his defense.

shawn unkempt · Post #37 » by **shawn unkempt** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:05 am

Marcus wrote:Glad RJ got picked up. Hope he gets a legit shot.

He was given a legit shot at the beginning of last season and played his way out of the rotation. He's over matched physically at this level and doesn't shoot well enough to make up for it.

HotelVitale · Post #38 » by **HotelVitale** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:16 pm

shawn unkempt wrote:
Marcus wrote:Glad RJ got picked up. Hope he gets a legit shot.

He was given a legit shot at the beginning of last season and played his way out of the rotation. He's over matched physically at this level and doesn't shoot well enough to make up for it.

He was also a rookie, many of whom look at least as bad as Hunter did last year. Even though he played poorly last year, the only reason the Celtics cut him was cuz they had to snip someone--I'm sure they're not 100% convinced he will never contribute at a NBA level.

shawn unkempt · Post #39 » by **shawn unkempt** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:47 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
shawn unkempt wrote:
Marcus wrote:Glad RJ got picked up. Hope he gets a legit shot.

He was given a legit shot at the beginning of last season and played his way out of the rotation. He's over matched physically at this level and doesn't shoot well enough to make up for it.

He was also a rookie, many of whom look at least as bad as Hunter did last year. Even though he played poorly last year, the only reason the Celtics cut him was cuz they had to snip someone--I'm sure they're not 100% convinced he will never contribute at a NBA level.

They also kept second round pick Demetrius Jackson over him and signed Gerald Green. They obviously didn't think much of him.

Patsfan1081 · Post #40 » by **Patsfan1081** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 10:48 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
MC3 wrote:
Anyway Celtics waived him cause they couldnt afford to keep him. You dont get rid of young player, 1st round pick on rookie contract after one year if you arent forced.

The kept Demetrius Jackson, a 45th pick this year, over Hunter. That should tell you something right there.

This is all well and good, but with another gazillion picks next year, what are the odds Jackson is on the roster next year? And I think Jackson can definitely stick in the league. The Celtics have too many assets and Ainge refuses to consolidate, so you will keep losing them year after year, while still being no closer to a title.

What pick befor or asset befor Hunter have they've been forced to drop under Ainge? This arguement seems like a big stretch used just to hate on the Celtics, especially when you equate late round picks to a title run. How does releasing a fringe NBA player that wasn't even a mid first round pick hurt their title hopes in the future ? Boston has one first in the next draft and three seconds(two at the very end that can be sold off or traded very easily). They'll have five players hitting free agency while two recent draft picks are overseas. I really don't see the roster crunch that you're applying either. Late picks rarely pan out, not really sure why you're singling out Boston. Look how many picks the Sixers have used over the past five years and how many have actually made the roster or have come overseas. What sticks out is just the fact that Hunter wasn't traded, if he had been moved with say cash considerations or for another player that just ended up getting released a day later no one would be using him as an excuse against Boston.