Where is Nerlens?

MatthewGeigerII · Post #881 » by **MatthewGeigerII** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:52 pm

so today's the day nerlens' needs to be extended or not correct?

the answer seems to be a "no" and well wait and see how FA plays out... so what do you think this means for possibly telling the sixer's thoughts on keeping/trading nerlens. IMO if they don't think they will resign him then may try and trade him for undervalue in Feb.

ankle420breaker · Post #882 » by **ankle420breaker** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:55 pm

Definitely not in line for an extension here.

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Winejk · Post #883 » by **Winejk** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:30 pm

It might be good for Noel not to get the extension.

If he's s not playing that much for whatever reason (injury, competition, sulking...), then he won't earn a big contract. I think if the Sixers tender him an offer at the end of the season, he'll be a restricted FA. Sixers can match whatever offer some other team presents to Noel. Might be a cheap way of retaining him. If Noel is on a team friendly contract, he's an asset to trade or keep.

MatthewGeigerII · Post #884 » by **MatthewGeigerII** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:01 pm

Winejk wrote:It might be good for Noel not to get the extension.

If he's s not playing that much for whatever reason (injury, competition, sulking...), then he won't earn a big contract. I think if the Sixers tender him an offer at the end of the season, he'll be a restricted FA. Sixers can match whatever offer some other team presents to Noel. Might be a cheap way of retaining him. If Noel is on a team friendly contract, he's an asset to trade or keep.

i don't know if i'm suddenly getting more impatient but i think with all of the injuries and minute restrictions (and now the non-extending) - a trade sooner rather than later can help this team greatly.

the worst thing would be to start another season 0-19 or something and have it follow them the whole season.

flip noel for a wing trade.

Mik317 · Post #885 » by **Mik317** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:18 pm

Noel to the Warriors makes a lot of sense. They are **** defensively right now with the loss of Bogut...

McCaw and stuff for Noel yall

TTP · Post #886 » by **TTP** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:06 pm

I doubt it happens with the Warriors because they probably won't be able to (or want to) make a Noel extension work financially in future years, though McCaw is definitely one of my top trade targets.

I think a trade with the Nets involving RHJ is somewhat desirable and more likely. He's likely going to be one of the best wing defenders in the league and has some two way upside - his shot isn't there yet but looks like it can be in the future. He was an underrated crusher as a rookie last season before getting hurt - he had a positive RPM in 615 minutes and finished third in the league in DRPM for shooting guards behind Danny Green and Tony Allen. It helps that he's from Philadelphia as well.

Additionally, Brook Lopez isn't meshing well with their new system and it seems decently likely they'll move him this year. It's pretty plausible they decide to trade for Noel and build around him for the future.

spikeslovechild · Post #887 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 1:17 am

ankle420breaker wrote:
JoeyOtis wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
I think that he knows that Embiid is better than him, but he feels like he can be better than Okafor.

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He is more valuable on the court for this team right now over Okafor, but he should be proving it, or showing more ambition. I know he is hurt by the way he thinks the team is treating him, but they took a chance on him by trading for him when he was hurt. He hasn't shown any improvement on the offensive end either . I never expected to become a knock down mid range shooter, but Shawn Bradley had a better offensive game then him.

Noel hasn't earned anything yet in this league and he has this sense of entitlement where he feels his needs should be prioritized.

The approach he's chosen to take lacks any professionalism. Nerlens showing bad form.

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Yeah well part of it is he knows who he is dealing with. Hinkie wouldn't have put up with this. Noel would have been traded before it got to this point or saving that wouldn't be playing another game.

I mean he needs to prove his value more then we need to prove his value. Noone is going to offer Noel much in free agency after his injury and stunts in the media. He's looking at Deng money if that. I'm almost ready to make him play under the QO. See how much fun he has being the next Donatas Motiejunas. F Nerlens Noel.

Sportfan73 · Post #888 » by **Sportfan73** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 2:10 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:
JoeyOtis wrote:
He is more valuable on the court for this team right now over Okafor, but he should be proving it, or showing more ambition. I know he is hurt by the way he thinks the team is treating him, but they took a chance on him by trading for him when he was hurt. He hasn't shown any improvement on the offensive end either . I never expected to become a knock down mid range shooter, but Shawn Bradley had a better offensive game then him.

Noel hasn't earned anything yet in this league and he has this sense of entitlement where he feels his needs should be prioritized.

The approach he's chosen to take lacks any professionalism. Nerlens showing bad form.

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Yeah well part of it is he knows who he is dealing with. Hinkie wouldn't have put up with this. Noel would have been traded before it got to this point or saving that wouldn't be playing another game.

I mean he needs to prove his value more then we need to prove his value. Noone is going to offer Noel much in free agency after his injury and stunts in the media. He's looking at Deng money if that. I'm almost ready to make him play under the QO. See how much fun he has being the next Donatas Motiejunas. F Nerlens Noel.

Agreed. I'm ready to make him endure 2 more years of this at 10-20 mpg. At that point we really know what we have with joel.

Post #889 » by **Foshan** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 2:38 am

I actually wish we would try to extend Noel now. a 4/80 (like V.O) less than Adam's (4/100) IMO would actually significantly increase his value as a trade asset, and would give us the flexibility to move him like we did Jrue on draft day.

Ericb5 · Post #890 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 2:40 am

I don't think we need to play games with him. If he gets healthy, and proves it on the court before Simmons comes back, then he will have value at the trade deadline.

He has a consequential NBA skill today which will improve many teams heading to the playoffs, without disrupting their offense because he doesn't need the ball.

Okafor mostly has value due to his future, but Noel has value due to his present.

I would just wait until the deadline, and then take the best offer that we get, even if it is poor.

Someone is bound to give us something of value even if it is a serviceable guard, and a lottery protected pick.

Plus someone like Covington has consequential value to a good team as well in that he is cheap, and can shoot.

Covington and Noel can be combined for someone.

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phiphan · Post #891 » by **phiphan** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 3:48 am

Give my man that Gorgui Dieng $. Contract looks nice.

Kolkmania · Post #892 » by **Kolkmania** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 8:39 am

TTP wrote:I doubt it happens with the Warriors because they probably won't be able to (or want to) make a Noel extension work financially in future years, though McCaw is definitely one of my top trade targets.

I think a trade with the Nets involving RHJ is somewhat desirable and more likely. He's likely going to be one of the best wing defenders in the league and has some two way upside - his shot isn't there yet but looks like it can be in the future. He was an underrated crusher as a rookie last season before getting hurt - he had a positive RPM in 615 minutes and finished third in the league in DRPM for shooting guards behind Danny Green and Tony Allen. It helps that he's from Philadelphia as well.

Additionally, Brook Lopez isn't meshing well with their new system and it seems decently likely they'll move him this year. It's pretty plausible they decide to trade for Noel and build around him for the future.

With their lack of draft picks they're not going to ship their best talent in Rondae Hollis-Jefferson for an expiring Noel. Nets are one of the teams who are probably going to offer Noel a huge offer this summer to acquire some young players.

I really think we should focus on trading Noel for a under-the-rader player that could potentially flourish in a bigger role like Jae Crowder in the Rondo trade. I'm all in for trading Nerlens Noel to Boston and try to acquire Terry Rozier + Memphis '19 pick. To make the financial part work, perhaps something like this:

PHI In: Jonas Jerebko, Terry Rozier, Memphis '19
PHI Out: Nerlens Noel, Hollis Thompson

76ciology · Post #893 » by **76ciology** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 9:59 am

I'd extend Nerlens now on a non-max contract than risk matching a max offer from a desperate team like the Nets in the offseason.

eyeatoma · Post #894 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 10:15 am

I don't think we want to sign him anyways... Especially if Embiid is healthy... My guess... We trade him by February or this offseason in a sign and trade...

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Post #895 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 10:41 am

76ciology wrote:I'd extend Nerlens now on a non-max contract than risk matching a max offer from a desperate team like the Nets in the offseason.

Doubt he's signing for anything less than the max right now, tho.

Embiid P · Post #896 » by **Embiid P** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 2:56 pm

eyeatoma wrote:I don't think we want to sign him anyways... Especially if Embiid is healthy... My guess... We trade him by February or this offseason in a sign and trade...

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Sign and trades rarely happen anymore in today's NBA. If we don't trade him by the deadline, we just let him walk at the end of the season, and use the money we would have given him to address our back court instead. We just have to cut our losses with Noel and move on. Simple as that. He is a nice supporting piece to have, but Embiid and Simmons are our cornerstones of the future to build around. Everything else is secondary.

Agnostifarian · Post #897 » by **Agnostifarian** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 4:33 pm

Is Nerlens really injured or is this more of a pout?

76ciology · Post #898 » by **76ciology** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 4:43 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:Is Nerlens really injured or is this more of a pout?

Wouldn't his injuries scare teams off from signing him?

Ericb5 · Post #899 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 5:54 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:Is Nerlens really injured or is this more of a pout?

He is injured. He just had surgery too, so that would be a pretty serious thing to do if he wasn't injured. LOL

ankle420breaker · Post #900 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Nov 1, 2016 7:05 pm

Ericb5 wrote:I don't think we need to play games with him. If he gets healthy, and proves it on the court before Simmons comes back, then he will have value at the trade deadline.

He has a consequential NBA skill today which will improve many teams heading to the playoffs, without disrupting their offense because he doesn't need the ball.

Okafor mostly has value due to his future, but Noel has value due to his present.

I would just wait until the deadline, and then take the best offer that we get, even if it is poor.

Someone is bound to give us something of value even if it is a serviceable guard, and a lottery protected pick.

Plus someone like Covington has consequential value to a good team as well in that he is cheap, and can shoot.

Covington and Noel can be combined for someone.

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Agreed, but Covington's appeal will start to fade if he doesn't get his **** together in a hurry.

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