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Political Roundtable Part XI

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#101 » by montestewart » Tue Nov 1, 2016 6:39 pm

Induveca wrote:Another oddity, both Obamas (obviously pr team) unfollowed Clinton on Twitter today.

Michelle Obama also scrubbed all tweets mentioning Clinton from her account.

I've become addicted to this election, for some reason I just keep expecting it to get more and more outlandish. I doubt any political fiction author could dream up two more ridiculous characters.

This site now has that debunked
http://news.forexlive.com/!/michelle-obama-clears-out-mentions-of-hillary-clinton-on-twitter-accounts-20161101

But it's hard to keep up with all this stuff. Presidential elections as reality TV.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#102 » by Induveca » Tue Nov 1, 2016 6:48 pm

montestewart wrote:
Induveca wrote:Another oddity, both Obamas (obviously pr team) unfollowed Clinton on Twitter today.

Michelle Obama also scrubbed all tweets mentioning Clinton from her account.

I've become addicted to this election, for some reason I just keep expecting it to get more and more outlandish. I doubt any political fiction author could dream up two more ridiculous characters.

This site now has that debunked
http://news.forexlive.com/!/michelle-obama-clears-out-mentions-of-hillary-clinton-on-twitter-accounts-20161101

But it's hard to keep up with all this stuff. Presidential elections as reality TV.


Well stated!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#103 » by W. Unseld » Tue Nov 1, 2016 7:04 pm

Didn't the NY Times very recently debunk the Russia theory? (Not that that couldn't be the Russians infiltrating the NY Times to debunk the Russian theory)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#104 » by W. Unseld » Tue Nov 1, 2016 7:04 pm

Didn't the NY Times very recently debunk the Russia theory? (Not that that couldn't be the Russians infiltrating the NY Times to debunk the Russian theory)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#105 » by dobrojim » Tue Nov 1, 2016 7:51 pm

Induveca wrote:Another oddity, both Obamas (obviously pr team) unfollowed Clinton on Twitter today.

Michelle Obama also scrubbed all tweets mentioning Clinton from her account.

I've become addicted to this election, for some reason I just keep expecting it to get more and more outlandish. I doubt any political fiction author could dream up two more ridiculous characters.



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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#106 » by dckingsfan » Tue Nov 1, 2016 10:47 pm

DCZards wrote:
montestewart wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Why? I would think it would make it harder for them to get their constituents to vote, no?

I think there is a perception among many Democrats that the timeline of the various revelations has an appearance of being engineered (by whatever powers) specifically to cause damage to HRC, creating a counterpoint to Trump's "rigged" claims.

Exactly! And that perception is motivation for the Dem voter.

Fascinating.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#107 » by dckingsfan » Tue Nov 1, 2016 10:48 pm

W. Unseld wrote:Didn't the NY Times very recently debunk the Russia theory? (Not that that couldn't be the Russians infiltrating the NY Times to debunk the Russian theory)

I think Monte's point is it doesn't matter - it is a conspiracy that needs to be acted against.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#108 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:21 am

Here's a good article on Trump's tax situation http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/trump-taxes-loophole.html?_r=1

Yes, the cancellation of debt income code and regulations have changed over the years, but with his bankruptcies that created his huge net operating losses, I have a hard time believing he was able to not have COD income and other income that did not fully use up his NOL's and that his strategies would hold up under an IRS audit. Strategies that have no business purpose other than to avoid taxes are not supposed to hold up under IRS audit.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#109 » by AFM » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:23 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#110 » by AFM » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:42 am

Malik Obama is the GOAT Obama

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#111 » by montestewart » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:50 am

AFM wrote:Malik Obama is the GOAT Obama

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#112 » by AFM » Wed Nov 2, 2016 4:13 am

Donald "Nostradamus" Trump

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Post#113 » by FAH1223 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:15 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#114 » by dckingsfan » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:35 pm

montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Malik Obama is the GOAT Obama
:lol:

He's Barack's Billy Carter

But way funnier...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#115 » by dckingsfan » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:40 pm

Google: Hillary Clinton Becomes the Unsafe Hand

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-becomes-the-unsafe-hand-1478042102

It’s the White House Travel Office, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the Seth Ward option (don’t ask), the health-care task force, etc., all over again.

Mrs. Clinton is a screw-up. And when a trait takes such trouble to announce itself, note must be taken.


I feel that the label of screw-up fits.

I disagree that she isn't safer than Trump though - that would be some serious risk.

But I no longer scratch my head at those that want to vote for Trump. I think Jenkins does a good job putting their feelings forward in this paragraph.

Donald Trump (or any candidate) may not be a solution in himself, but an outsider at least can be an instrument to dislodge an elite and replace it, for a while, with an elite less habituated to using public power to favor and enrich itself. With Mrs. Clinton, as with Mr. Obama, a voter naturally struggles to understand what the overarching vision is. There isn’t one. They exist to deliver the wish-list of Democratic lobby groups for more power over the people of the United States. Period.
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Post#116 » by Kanyewest » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:26 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Google: Hillary Clinton Becomes the Unsafe Hand

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-becomes-the-unsafe-hand-1478042102

It’s the White House Travel Office, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the Seth Ward option (don’t ask), the health-care task force, etc., all over again.

Mrs. Clinton is a screw-up. And when a trait takes such trouble to announce itself, note must be taken.


I feel that the label of screw-up fits.

I disagree that she isn't safer than Trump though - that would be some serious risk.

But I no longer scratch my head at those that want to vote for Trump. I think Jenkins does a good job putting their feelings forward in this paragraph.

Donald Trump (or any candidate) may not be a solution in himself, but an outsider at least can be an instrument to dislodge an elite and replace it, for a while, with an elite less habituated to using public power to favor and enrich itself. With Mrs. Clinton, as with Mr. Obama, a voter naturally struggles to understand what the overarching vision is. There isn’t one. They exist to deliver the wish-list of Democratic lobby groups for more power over the people of the United States. Period.

The Economist puts it another way

“The best that can be said of Mr. Trump is that his candidacy is a symptom of the popular desire for a political revival,” the magazine wrote. ‘To hope that any good can come from Mr. Trump’s wrecking job reflects a narcissistic belief that compromise in politics is a dirty word and a foolhardy confidence that, after a spell of chaos and demolition, you can magically unite the nation and fix what is wrong.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/the-economist-endorses-clinton-230674#ixzz4OxK70Q4o 
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Post#117 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:46 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Google: Hillary Clinton Becomes the Unsafe Hand

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-becomes-the-unsafe-hand-1478042102

It’s the White House Travel Office, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the Seth Ward option (don’t ask), the health-care task force, etc., all over again.

Mrs. Clinton is a screw-up. And when a trait takes such trouble to announce itself, note must be taken.


I feel that the label of screw-up fits.

I disagree that she isn't safer than Trump though - that would be some serious risk.

But I no longer scratch my head at those that want to vote for Trump. I think Jenkins does a good job putting their feelings forward in this paragraph.

Donald Trump (or any candidate) may not be a solution in himself, but an outsider at least can be an instrument to dislodge an elite and replace it, for a while, with an elite less habituated to using public power to favor and enrich itself. With Mrs. Clinton, as with Mr. Obama, a voter naturally struggles to understand what the overarching vision is. There isn’t one. They exist to deliver the wish-list of Democratic lobby groups for more power over the people of the United States. Period.

The Economist puts it another way

“The best that can be said of Mr. Trump is that his candidacy is a symptom of the popular desire for a political revival,” the magazine wrote. ‘To hope that any good can come from Mr. Trump’s wrecking job reflects a narcissistic belief that compromise in politics is a dirty word and a foolhardy confidence that, after a spell of chaos and demolition, you can magically unite the nation and fix what is wrong.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/the-economist-endorses-clinton-230674#ixzz4OxK70Q4o 
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Imagined Trump response.

My departed father-in-law hated the Clintons with great passion, and if he were still with us, I would he assume his support of Trump and his deft use of blinders to ignore so many things Trump. He was also an avid reader of the Economist, and I could see this endorsement giving him pause.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#118 » by dckingsfan » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:47 pm

Hey Kanyewest,

This is an endorsement vs. the Economist trying to understand the political landscape. I think that the Economist and others have completely misread Brexit and Trump and underestimated the frustration with the Clinton foundation and her continual screw-ups.

They aren't wrong about Trump - what they don't comment on is Clinton. They are part of the elite... so their comments are understandable in context.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#119 » by gtn130 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:57 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Hey Kanyewest,

This is an endorsement vs. the Economist trying to understand the political landscape. I think that the Economist and others have completely misread Brexit and Trump and underestimated the frustration with the Clinton foundation and her continual screw-ups.

They aren't wrong about Trump - what they don't comment on is Clinton. They are part of the elite... so their comments are understandable in context.


What do Clinton's "screw-ups" really have to do with Trump? The whole "Clinton is bad so I'll vote for someone way worse" line of thinking does not make any sense to me.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#120 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:40 pm

The line of thinking, gtn, would go beyond Clinton. It would see Clinton as more of a symptom than anything, too, just like Trump. It's not just Clinton, but it's Romney, Rubio, Gore, and Bush/Cheney, and Obama (although I think he's a but different but many who aspire to vote for Trump would almost assuredly disagree), and many other politicians on both sides of the floor. When you feel the system is rigged so that candidates like Clinton keep getting put forward and things are getting worse in that respect, not better, more emboldened with policies that help the few enrich themselves, then eventually you're going to go full on destroy-the-establishment, in some odd variation of Ron Paul which may not resemble Ron Paul at all.

Heck, the sentiment is felt within both parties, too, just moreso within the Republican Party at present. But I'm amazed, though not surprised, at just how quickly the Dems have started to act as though Bernie didn't exist, because Bernie is very much their own Trump - like Trump, he's been yelling a lot of the same stuff (although less offensive stuff) for decades now and nobody really paid too much attention to him for a long time.

That economist article is basically a fancy way of saying "too big to fail," much as has been said about many banks or automakers or any other big businesses that by rights should have failed. It's the default armor of the establishment - if anyone tries to tamper with our setup we're going to make things way worse for everyone else than they'll be for us. And in a lot of cases it's true, but it's also a situation where the options to actually change course for the better become less likely by the day until one day things change dramatically and abruptly. Personally, I don't even think a Trump presidency would rattle the establishment the way they're worried it would - it would just be a message about populism and elections that they'd rather not hear.
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