Back again: Getting OKC a wing

[Chinook]

So the pick is protected from 21-30? Doesn't that mean that if it's in the top-20, it's Philly's? That seems like quite the gamble from a team so dependent on a player who's already missed time in his career for injuries.

[bondom34]

So the pick is protected from 21-30? Doesn't that mean that if it's in the top-20, it's Philly's? That seems like quite the gamble from a team so dependent on a player who's already missed time in his career for injuries.

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[Mystical Apples]

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That's why I posted the BBRef comparison of him and Robes. Outside of Harkless being slightly better from outside (still bad) and probably a marginally more natural scorer, they're the same person.

You were saying about Harkless? OKC is speaking my language though with the 3/4 bridge and potential to develop into significant value.

And IMO this signifies OKC is looking into 2 wings....1 a possible LT answer (Grant) and 1 cheap-ish deep rotation wing for immediate shooting help.

Nope. Robes is gone. I will bet all of my money forever.

You're probably right but Grant and Roberson aren't necessarily interchangeable. Grant will play heavy minutes at PF with you guys.

[spearsy23]

And they trade a protected first

Top 29. Thankfully.

This has to be a setup move. Just opened 7.1mil of space this year, got a Roberson replacement. Either offering DMo a deal (thanks Smitty) or picking up a larger contract.

Motie really doesn't fill any needs except Presti's fetish for big white guys.

[Andre Roberstan]

And they trade a protected first

Top 29. Thankfully.

This has to be a setup move. Just opened 7.1mil of space this year, got a Roberson replacement. Either offering DMo a deal (thanks Smitty) or picking up a larger contract.

Motie really doesn't fill any needs except Presti's fetish for big white guys.

???? Motie is an excellent 4/5 who can score inside and outside when he's healthy. Think Domas but a couple of years down the line.

[Texas Chuck]

Top 29. Thankfully.

This has to be a setup move. Just opened 7.1mil of space this year, got a Roberson replacement. Either offering DMo a deal (thanks Smitty) or picking up a larger contract.

Motie really doesn't fill any needs except Presti's fetish for big white guys.

???? Motie is an excellent 4/5 who can score inside and outside when he's healthy. Think Domas but a couple of years down the line.

I wouldn't equate him much to Sabonis who is a much more physical player. But yeah this is a skilled offensive player when he can play. Pretty good shooter, but its his post moves that mostly intrigued me. Very crafty guy.

Gotta think his back is totally jacked tho because he seems like a near ideal MDA player.

[spearsy23]

Top 29. Thankfully.

This has to be a setup move. Just opened 7.1mil of space this year, got a Roberson replacement. Either offering DMo a deal (thanks Smitty) or picking up a larger contract.

Motie really doesn't fill any needs except Presti's fetish for big white guys.

???? Motie is an excellent 4/5 who can score inside and outside when he's healthy. Think Domas but a couple of years down the line.

He's definitely not excellent. He's a slightly above average offensive player who doesn't rebound, defend, or shoot the three particularly well. There's a reason Houston hasn't paid him what he thinks he's worth. And if Domas doesn't end up better than him defensively and rebounding wise then I'd be very disappointed. He's not a bad player by any means, but there are much bigger needs than a pretty solid offensive four, especially if that 4 isn't a knock down three point shooter.

[tmorgan]

Motie really doesn't fill any needs except Presti's fetish for big white guys.

???? Motie is an excellent 4/5 who can score inside and outside when he's healthy. Think Domas but a couple of years down the line.

He's definitely not excellent. He's a slightly above average offensive player who doesn't rebound, defend, or shoot the three particularly well. There's a reason Houston hasn't paid him what he thinks he's worth. And if Domas doesn't end up better than him defensively and rebounding wise then I'd be very disappointed. He's not a bad player by any means, but there are much bigger needs than a pretty solid offensive four, especially if that 4 isn't a knock down three point shooter.

Yeah, he might have been close to excellent offensively if he'd stayed in one piece, but back injuries are a killer, trust me, I know from experience. Motie doesn't want to bang because he doesn't want the pain... lil' Sabonis will play a rougher game.

[nowyouknow]

Yeah, I don't think there is a chance that Denver is acquiring Jaylen Brown for an expiring Gallo and an average-good center prospect like Nurkic.

I would have Denver getting more than just Brown in that deal btw. I know you are personally really high on Brown and that's great, but I don't believe his value league-wide is quite that high at this point.

I don't know how to value that 2018 Nets pick. So hard to say if the Nuggets would prefer it to Brown. I'm guessing not?

That's absurd.

Brown is the #3 pick and has a higher upside than anyone on the Nuggets.

The Celtics just drafted a center (Zizic) who has as much or more potential than Nurkic and Gallo is an unrestricted free agent after the season with a massive injury history.

That's not even close to enough value to offer for Brown.

[JoJoEmbiid]

So now being the #3 pick matters? Because it didn't seem to with Okafor. That's pretty good value if you ask me, and Brown doesn't have more potential than Jokic and Jamal Murray, maybe even Mudiay.
And Zizic isn't better than Nurkic.

[Mystical Apples]

I'd pass from Denver's perspective. Nurkic just turned 22 and is already a starting center. That type of player would cost $8 -12 million per year on the open market. Maybe more.

[nowyouknow]

So now being the #3 pick matters? Because it didn't seem to with Okafor. That's pretty good value if you ask me, and Brown doesn't have more potential than Jokic and Jamal Murray, maybe even Mudiay.
And Zizic isn't better than Nurkic.

When Brown punches a fan on video or shows major red flags related to his ability to defend and rebound his position, come talk to me.

Brown has a far greater upside than Mudiay, Murray, or yes even Jokic because he's a far better athlete and has ridiculous defensive upside to match what is already proving to be an elite first step and excellent footwork.

Jokic, Murray are both talented guys who are less than stellar athletically... so unless they completely maximize their skills, there will be questions about how good they can become relative to their lack of measure able tools physically.

I didn't say Zizic was better than Nurkic, but he's an excellent prospect in a very similar mold.

Gallo had almost no real value to a team like Boston. The reality is that the Celtics probably are targeting better players in free agency than Galinari. So he's essentially a rental.

Nurkic is O.K. He's a solid prospect at the center position. No one is building their team around Nurkic. And that's what you're looking for when you draft at #3... Brown has that type of ability, really just a question of whether or not he will put the work in.

[DRK]

PJ Tucker for Joffery Lavargne?

Sure.

I'm curious why Thunder fans continue to believe this guy is any answer. He's never been that good of a player and he's not a shooter. I don't know why he has that reputation, but he is not a good shooter.

And it doesn't work because despite all evidence that's he JAG at best, Suns fans still mostly seem to expect a 1st rounder for him.

Honestly he doesnt fit into what we are doing anymore.

Having drafted Bender and Chriss, and Tj Warren starting now, PJ's value is on a contender/playoff bound team, not our Suns. The minutes arent there for him any more, and 99% of the Suns fanbase would rather see more of the youth play that PJ.

Plus, to be honest a change of scenery would be good for him. PJ has seemed to regress and cant handle doing too much. 7th man on a playoff bound team is a perfect fit for him.

[BullyKing]

So now being the #3 pick matters? Because it didn't seem to with Okafor. That's pretty good value if you ask me, and Brown doesn't have more potential than Jokic and Jamal Murray, maybe even Mudiay.
And Zizic isn't better than Nurkic.

When Brown punches a fan on video or shows major red flags related to his ability to defend and rebound his position, come talk to me.

Brown has a far greater upside than Mudiay, Murray, or yes even Jokic because he's a far better athlete and has ridiculous defensive upside to match what is already proving to be an elite first step and excellent footwork.

Jokic, Murray are both talented guys who are less than stellar athletically... so unless they completely maximize their skills, there will be questions about how good they can become relative to their lack of measure able tools physically.

I didn't say Zizic was better than Nurkic, but he's an excellent prospect in a very similar mold.

Gallo had almost no real value to a team like Boston. The reality is that the Celtics probably are targeting better players in free agency than Galinari. So he's essentially a rental.

Nurkic is O.K. He's a solid prospect at the center position. No one is building their team around Nurkic. And that's what you're looking for when you draft at #3... Brown has that type of ability, really just a question of whether or not he will put the work in.

Given your description of Brown, hard to believe that two teams passed on him. Amazing how the upside of every non-Celtics player is viewed as pessimistically as possible and yet it is nothing but optimism for Celtics players. I'm sure all of these positions pre-dated the draft.

[bondom34]

So wait, it matters Okafor got into it with a fan on the street and not Smart on the court? That's an odd standard.

[BullyKing]

So wait, it matters Okafor got into it with a fan on the street and not Smart on the court? That's an odd standard.

Smart's transgression can be excused because he was just a young immature 19 year old (a month from being 20) at the time. Okafor cannot be forgiven since he was a fully mature 19 year old (a month from being 20) at the time of his altercation.

[Andre Roberstan]

Brown is the #3 pick and has a higher upside than anyone on the Nuggets.

I don't know how else to say this.

This is a really dumb take. Mudiay? Murray? Jokic?

[HartfordWhalers]

Since Okafor is not a wing that it would make sense for OKC to get, can we please save whatever Okafor Brown Smart stuff it is for a thread on Jackson for Holmes where it would almost fit in?

I'm going to start abusing my mod power and deleting all of the back and forth on it going forward.

Or worse yet, make a new thread and move it all there.

Thanks all.

[nowyouknow]

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[Texas Chuck]

Since Okafor is not a wing that it would make sense for OKC to get, can we please save whatever Okafor Brown Smart stuff it is for a thread on Jackson for Holmes where it would almost fit in?

I'm going to start abusing my mod power and deleting all of the back and forth on it going forward.

Or worse yet, make a new thread and move it all there.

Thanks all.

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