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Re: RE: Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#61 » by Duffman100 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:02 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:Is there a video of all 6 of his fouls? I saw the one that fouled him out and it could have gone either way. He was holding Whiteside's arm down, but Whiteside's arm was impeding his progress.

Yeah that one I can't really argue as it could have gone either way. Haven't seen any videos yet.

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1st one looks like a foul.
2nd one did not.
3rd one is questionable. But Cousins really did hold Whiteside's arm down the entire drive to the bucket.

I'd like to see the other 3.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#62 » by bondom34 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:03 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
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City of Trees wrote:Yeah that one I can't really argue as it could have gone either way. Haven't seen any videos yet.

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1st one looks like a foul.
2nd one did not.
3rd one is questionable. But Cousins really did hold Whiteside's arm down the entire drive to the bucket.

I'd like to see the other 3.

Also per the 2 minute report Whiteside should have fouled out w/ 1:50 left apparently.
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Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#63 » by bleeds_purple » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:04 pm

What a frustrating game. As much as I want to give the much deserved blame to the refs, a lot of the blame for the last two losses rests with Boogie.

He got thoroughly outworked by Dwight against the Hawks. Had he dominated that matchup I think we win going away. And last night he seemed to lack the focus and patience that is required of a professional NBA player.

Hopefully he shows some improvement going forward. I'd really like to see him slow down and take his time and stop looking so anxious to make something happen.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#64 » by City of Trees » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:22 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:https://streamable.com/75ks

Here's some of them


1st one looks like a foul.
2nd one did not.
3rd one is questionable. But Cousins really did hold Whiteside's arm down the entire drive to the bucket.

I'd like to see the other 3.

Also per the 2 minute report Whiteside should have fouled out w/ 1:50 left apparently.

Whiteside had 5 fouls in the 3rd quarter! How does he not foul out with the way he was playing? Also he traveled every time he dribbled the ball.

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Post#65 » by Sacramento_King » Wed Nov 2, 2016 10:51 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Is there a video of all 6 of his fouls? I saw the one that fouled him out and it could have gone either way. He was holding Whiteside's arm down, but Whiteside's arm was impeding his progress.


In my albeit jaded mind, the foul was clearly on Whiteside. Whiteside gambles on the steal leaving him off balance as DMC starts to go around him. The arms come out into Cousins side and DMC puts hand on his elbow. The foul clearly is on Whiteside first especially considering he gambled and was beat.
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Post#66 » by Lost in LA » Wed Nov 2, 2016 11:29 pm

Maybe DMC should shoot less "3"'s?
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Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#67 » by enderwilson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 1:37 am

bleeds_purple wrote:What a frustrating game. As much as I want to give the much deserved blame to the refs, a lot of the blame for the last two losses rests with Boogie.

He got thoroughly outworked by Dwight against the Hawks. Had he dominated that matchup I think we win going away. And last night he seemed to lack the focus and patience that is required of a professional NBA player.

Hopefully he shows some improvement going forward. I'd really like to see him slow down and take his time and stop looking so anxious to make something happen.


Unfair assessment. He and Rudy are the only ones carrying this team at the moment. Besides Rudy, who else is stepping up on the offensive end? He scored 30 points last night, got called for 6 fouls in the 4th, and he's called a baby for storming off in frustration. So, lets put "a lot" of the loss on him.

I'll agree that attitude-wise he could do better, but beyond that, there's not much more we can ask him to do that he isn't already.
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Post#68 » by bleeds_purple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 1:45 am

enderwilson wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:What a frustrating game. As much as I want to give the much deserved blame to the refs, a lot of the blame for the last two losses rests with Boogie.

He got thoroughly outworked by Dwight against the Hawks. Had he dominated that matchup I think we win going away. And last night he seemed to lack the focus and patience that is required of a professional NBA player.

Hopefully he shows some improvement going forward. I'd really like to see him slow down and take his time and stop looking so anxious to make something happen.


Unfair assessment. He and Rudy are the only ones carrying this team at the moment. Besides Rudy, who else is stepping up on the offensive end? He scored 30 points last night, got called for 6 fouls in the 4th, and he's called a baby for storming off in frustration. So, lets put "a lot" of the loss on him.

I'll agree that attitude-wise he could do better, but beyond that, there's not much more we can ask him to do that he isn't already.


Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. That comment was more about how good of a player he is and how high his expectations should be.

My assessment has nothing to do with the fourth quarter honestly. It was on the first three. Had he buckled down and focused the first three maybe we wouldn't have been in a position to be victimized by the refs.

That's not to say he wasn't impactful in either game. Just that, given the fact that he's suppose to be a franchise player, his expectations are much higher than a regular guy. We need him to dominate the game. If he's losing his match-up (as was the case against Atlanta) we probably wont win that game.

Overall I'd like to see him slow down a bit and take his time. He's rushing things. Now considering that he has been fairly dominant despite that, it goes to show just how special of a talent he is.
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Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#69 » by KF10 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:30 am

I've been getting the "Belinelli-vibe" from Afflalo so far. He hasn't given what we needed at the 2 spot. Very underwhelming.

Lawson's inability to shoot his jumper at a decent level is frustrating.
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Post#70 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:30 am

enderwilson wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:What a frustrating game. As much as I want to give the much deserved blame to the refs, a lot of the blame for the last two losses rests with Boogie.

He got thoroughly outworked by Dwight against the Hawks. Had he dominated that matchup I think we win going away. And last night he seemed to lack the focus and patience that is required of a professional NBA player.

Hopefully he shows some improvement going forward. I'd really like to see him slow down and take his time and stop looking so anxious to make something happen.


Unfair assessment. He and Rudy are the only ones carrying this team at the moment. Besides Rudy, who else is stepping up on the offensive end? He scored 30 points last night, got called for 6 fouls in the 4th, and he's called a baby for storming off in frustration. So, lets put "a lot" of the loss on him.

I'll agree that attitude-wise he could do better, but beyond that, there's not much more we can ask him to do that he isn't already.



Exactly. They are obviously working towards putting a system in and that will hopefully go a long way in helping, but with the system not working on all cylinders it comes down to defense, or it should, and not individual performance alone. They are giving up too many easy shots for 2.5-3 quarters. They lock down for a quarter or so but that won't cut it. But without Cuz and Rudy this team wins nothing at the moment. The system can't come soon enough.

This is also just a really, really whacky BS schedule the Kings have. Even Joerger said he's never coached one like this. You put stuff in in practice, and they probably can't even get shoot arounds in at the moment.
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Re: Game 4. Kings (2-2) @ Heat (1-2) 4:30pm PST 

Post#71 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:33 am

bleeds_purple wrote:
enderwilson wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:What a frustrating game. As much as I want to give the much deserved blame to the refs, a lot of the blame for the last two losses rests with Boogie.

He got thoroughly outworked by Dwight against the Hawks. Had he dominated that matchup I think we win going away. And last night he seemed to lack the focus and patience that is required of a professional NBA player.

Hopefully he shows some improvement going forward. I'd really like to see him slow down and take his time and stop looking so anxious to make something happen.


Unfair assessment. He and Rudy are the only ones carrying this team at the moment. Besides Rudy, who else is stepping up on the offensive end? He scored 30 points last night, got called for 6 fouls in the 4th, and he's called a baby for storming off in frustration. So, lets put "a lot" of the loss on him.

I'll agree that attitude-wise he could do better, but beyond that, there's not much more we can ask him to do that he isn't already.


Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. That comment was more about how good of a player he is and how high his expectations should be.

My assessment has nothing to do with the fourth quarter honestly. It was on the first three. Had he buckled down and focused the first three maybe we wouldn't have been in a position to be victimized by the refs.

That's not to say he wasn't impactful in either game. Just that, given the fact that he's suppose to be a franchise player, his expectations are much higher than a regular guy. We need him to dominate the game. If he's losing his match-up (as was the case against Atlanta) we probably wont win that game.

Overall I'd like to see him slow down a bit and take his time. He's rushing things. Now considering that he has been fairly dominant despite that, it goes to show just how special of a talent he is.



The game is really hard for him when he's 100% the guy and that's how it is having to be right now. His frustrations come when he is loaded up with the pressure and his will to not fail just fuels the fire. He does need to chill out, but a system where shots come easier, and/or when they get their defensive principles down a little better should help.

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