Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[moocow007]

his "toxic system" that has won over 20 championships worldwide. cos spread PNR won a lot of rings, right?

He didn't put those teams together. Jerry Krause and Jerry West did. And unless hes going to pull Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant out his rear end what does what he did as a head coach have to do with what he's dong as a GM.

i'm not referring to only phil jackson's nba tenure.
the triangle offense has also won 10+ championships in international play.
phil had plenty of input into his laker teams after west resigned and kupchak took over almost all GM duties in ~2001.

the fact that portions of his "toxic system" are imprinted in the offenses of a third of the teams in the league also says a lot about the toxicness of it.

Aside Anthony every single player on this team was hand picked by Jackson, not Dolan. So unless we are going with an "Anthony is the Anti Christ" argument. This team is all Jackson. Same way he should recieve praise if the team was successful, he should receive blame if it stinks. I would guess if this team was actually good that you'd be more than willing to praise Jackson really right? So why would you not want to blame him if they are no good,

[MP4LIFE]

It's not about the GM. It's the owner.

The head of the snake is James Dolan. He has been the one constant in years of embarrassing play.

James Dolan didn't make the trades or signings nor put this team together. Blaming Dolan is just trying to find an excuse for Phil Jackson.

James Dolan has hired every GM and coach since 2000. He is the worst owner in sports.

[Rotten Apple]

Look what we got here...a cuppahaters....a cuppahaters

[CJackson]

Hornacek has lost this team. Guaranteed. The talent level isn't that great but the effort on defense isn't there. Hell, the Nets try harder.

Right now, that's the team's identity. SOFT.

Four games and the coach has lost the team?

Come on now

If anything, the players are not jiving with each other and that's on them at this point more than the coach. This early on the one things the players can do until a system is really in place is play with heart and if they start the season in quit mode you don't pin that on the new coach, but on the players

[Adelheid]

A players only meeting needs to be done ASAP!!! like NOW!!!

[moocow007]

whoa what happened? didn't get to see the game.

The Knicks made Full House seem like 24 or How to Get Away With Murder.

[ChaosHamster]

Yeah, you guys here clearly understand whats going on.

KP suddenly forgot how to defend..

Its surely has nothing to do with new coach and his defensive system, and that he plays with 3 new guys and they are messing up switches.

Today, he did a decent job on guarding the 3. Yeah, ANderson hit two early 3 on him, but first was like 2-3 feet behind the arc, and 2nd.. yeah, that was his fault.

[will34]

A players only meeting needs to be done ASAP!!! like NOW!!!

Probably not a good idea when you have a new coach that's coached only 4 games.

[sushibear]

Comedy hour watching you guys post the same thing year after year.


"I defended the Melo trade and been a supporter of his until. Even defending him but that stops now I can't do it anymore."

You clowns been dogging Melo for years don't like this was the final straw that broke you heart.


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Sounds like somebody been sucking on welo dick a little to hard. Truth hurts. Let them post whatever, why you upset?

[13ringsruling]

He didn't put those teams together. Jerry Krause and Jerry West did. And unless hes going to pull Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant out his rear end what does what he did as a head coach have to do with what he's dong as a GM.

i'm not referring to only phil jackson's nba tenure.
the triangle offense has also won 10+ championships in international play.
phil had plenty of input into his laker teams after west resigned and kupchak took over almost all GM duties in ~2001.

the fact that portions of his "toxic system" are imprinted in the offenses of a third of the teams in the league also says a lot about the toxicness of it.

Aside Anthony every single player on this team was hand picked by Jackson, not Dolan. So unless we are going with an "Anthony is the Anti Christ" argument. This team is all Jackson. Same way he should recieve praise if the team was successful, he should receive blame if it stinks. I would guess if this team was actually good that you'd be more than willing to praise Jackson really right? So why would you not want to blame him if they are no good,

what are you even talking about?
i'm not commenting on the team being good or bad. i'm commenting on the notion that offense is the problem. you could run rose/kp pnr all. game. long. and it will NOT CHANGE the fact that the knicks allowed 116pts and plenty of WIDE OPEN 3 point shots.

the offense has nothing to do with it and fools that comment "the triangle is killing this team" are idiots. i watched the same body language on different players the year the team won 37 games and missed the playoffs and that had nothing to do with phil OR the triangle.

[dakomish23]

Start Jennings
Start KP at the 5
Start Melo at the 4
Start Kuz at the 3

It's time

[KNIXFAN_83]

First off the offense needs to be ran by Rose. Every successful team currently has an allstar caliber pg setting the table. He's clearly our best player offensively and I mean overall and he should be pick and rolling with KP almost every possession. Second Noah has to give us something. There's no question now we lost a lot losing rolo. With him on this team we are without question a completely different team. Third anyone can tell KP was completely mind F'd from Jeff's 4th qt benching. Again it's early but to be playing this inconsistent this early is alarming. We simply have no sense of urgency and that's also leadership. Simply pathetic!


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[moocow007]

It's not about the GM. It's the owner.

The head of the snake is James Dolan. He has been the one constant in years of embarrassing play.

James Dolan didn't make the trades or signings nor put this team together. Blaming Dolan is just trying to find an excuse for Phil Jackson.

James Dolan has hired every GM and coach since 2000. He is the worst owner in sports.

And that has again what to do with the team that Phil Jackson put together? Dolan last act was hiring Jackson. So are you saying that hiring Jackson was a crap decision? Dolan being the worst owner in sports and all? I know you aren't seeing it but you cannot use Dolan as an excuse to defend Jackson cause he hired Jackson. And if he's that bad then by association, Jackson as GM is one of those bad mistakes.

[BodyCount]

My question is rather why are guys giving Phil Jackson a pass. Where's shamgod and team Hoodwinked at?

Phil doesn't get a pass. This is all his fault. This is his team, his hand picked players and his toxic system. I wish Dolan would fire him tonight!!

his "toxic system" that has won over 20 championships worldwide. cos spread PNR won a lot of rings, right?

You know I loved how Bulls looked running triangle, and their 72-10 season was the best basketball I watched in my entire life.

But this team will never get anywhere close to playing or resembling to anything compared to it. We've got Rose who's a pick and roll guy and sucks at three point shooting, Noah that can't do anything in post or paint, Our SG is nowhere near as athetic as either Jordan or Kobe and our SF is a ball hog, that can't move without the ball.Actually they're all quite bad at moving without the ball and too slow. And overall they're not great shooters either,, so even when the offense does get them some open looks, they aren't consistent enough to hit them and take big enough advantage of it for it to work into their favour.

Watching them doing all the off ball movement just gives me the impression they waste all their energy on it and they have no energy left after it for the shot.

[13ringsruling]

First off the offense needs to be ran by Rose. Every successful team currently has an allstar caliber pg setting the table. He's clearly our best player offensively and I mean overall and he should be pick and rolling with KP almost every possession. Second Noah has to give us something. There's no question now we lost a lot losing rolo. With him on this team we are without question a completely different team. Third anyone can tell KP was completely mind F'd from Jeff's 4th qt benching. Again it's early but to be playing this inconsistent this early is alarming. We simply have no sense of urgency and that's also leadership. Simply pathetic!


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did you watch this game?
the offense being ran by rose resulted in numerous possessions in a row where rose would call his own number for a botched layup attempt or a botched shot off a pick.
the offense runs better when carmelo initiates it.

[Rotten Apple]

The offense does not need to be run by one individual. I thought y'all wanted ball movement.

[sushibear]

Why is sasha here again? Obviously our guys are still clueless on this who triangle bull sheit.

[dakomish23]

So everyone forgot how so many folks here were screaming to trade RoLo in the beginning?

[MP4LIFE]

The best part of this game is I accidentally found myself in the press section on the Chase bridge and was trying to find Isola to continue my years long insult rivalry with him. Instead I ended up at the desk of Tommy Beer (he wasn't there but his name card was) and then some guy told us we can't drink
In the area and to leave.

[13ringsruling]

The offense does not need to be run by one individual. I thought y'all wanted ball movement.

nah bro, the triangle doesnt work
ball movement offense doesnt work
we want rose with the ball in his hands every single possession so he can look off KP and jump in the air and try to pass it to melo on the opposite side of the floor.