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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#261 » by sims » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:35 am

Floozenheimen wrote:I think Melo might be the most overrated player of this generation. The dude is not even a top 50 player in my book. His D is atrocious. A top tier player simply cannot be so one dimensional that his entire game is the mid-ranged jumper on offense and the entire rest of his game is a damn joke.

He has no leadership. No heart. No defensive awareness. He's lazy, calling for switches, leading to mismatches and other players covering extra ground. He's petty, allowing his bad defense to cause him to make horrible decisions on offense (aka hero ball). He does not create for others on offense. He does not penetrate. He can't jump. He shoots. He's a damn pitching machine with a jab step. **** this guy.


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what has always gotten me about melo (aside from his one-dimensional game that has never changed) is his all-time-worst body language on the floor. he has a unique and special way of draining the energy out of any offense.

at this point he's entering "delusional has-been" territory while he obsesses over the value of his irrelevant and nonexistent brand.
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Post#262 » by BeagleBoss » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:35 am

KnicksGod wrote:Hornacek has lost the team lol. On November 2 (two). 2. 2. 2. November 2.

He lost the team as soon as he was forced to hire Rambis. Hard to respect a coach who doesn't have total command of his own staff and what he wants to run.
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Post#263 » by Mecca » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:36 am

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dakomish23 wrote:When your PG is calling his own number 95% of the time and sucks at it, that's always going to be the main thing wrong with your team.

It's that simple.


But Rose has always been like that. Shouldn't be a surprise. Rose is along the lines of Steph Marbury and Steve Francis...and I don't mean that in a bad way per se. The Knicks should be trying to figure out a way to maximize Roses strengths and not expecting him focus on areas he's not good at.

In fact this inability to align players with system has been one of the biggest underlying problems with the Knicks for well over a decade. Their problem is not talent. They've had plenty of talent. Their problem has been getting players that fit the system that they want to run. Why who your GM is is so important and not just anyone can be a GM.

Larry Brown and the players he had was a brutal mix. Mike DAntoni and the players he had was a terrible mix. There's a reason why Mike Woodson has been the most successful head coach since the turn of the 21st century (15 years). It's not because he's the best coach. It's because he actually had players that fit the system he runs. In 2012-2013 that mix of players were a near perfect mix for his system and the Knicks won 54 games.

This isn't a secret. It's why the Spurs have been so great. It's why the Warriors were so good. It's why the Bulls and Lakers under Jackson were great. It's what the Mavericks even without the greatest talent have been able to play above the talent they have. Cause the players fit the system. And when the players fit they are more successful which makes them play harder and remain positive which allows them to not go into long ruts which is what has been burying teams like the Knicks. You give any halfway solid coach players that fit his system and he'll be more often successful than not,

Absolutely fantastic post.
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Post#264 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:37 am

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ctorres wrote:
I don't want Hornacek fired man. I want things to work out.


I want to win. Whatever that needs to happen to get that done, get it done. If it means firing Hornacek then go ahead.

Firing Hornecek does nothing since Phil will just replace him with another puppet. The issue here is Phil. He needs to go. Forcing the triangle is demoralizing the entire franchise.


It's not the triangle. We're barely running the triangle. It's the team pjax put together.
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Post#265 » by Clyde Frazier » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:38 am

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WesleyExChiFan wrote:Hornacek has lost this team. Guaranteed. The talent level isn't that great but the effort on defense isn't there. Hell, the Nets try harder.

Right now, that's the team's identity. SOFT.


Far from it. Conclusions can't be made 4 games into the season.

Sure you can. Don't pretend like preseason didn't happen. Heck, our first preseason game was against this same Houston team and we got beat worse tonight! Meaning this team and this coach have made no progress since early October. 6 preseason games, 4 regular season games and numerous practices in which Hornecek himself admitted tonight they practice defense the majority time of it, is enough prove this team isn't going anywhere and this season is done. They are not getting any better and the inevitable injury bug hasn't happened yet!


I didn't even want rose or Noah. And I do expect injuries. That said, the idea that this team should already have built enough chemistry is unrealistic. If this team looks the same a month from now, that's a different story. We aren't there yet.
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Post#266 » by Mecca » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:39 am

We should've dealt Melo years ago and blew this baby up. I hate being a Knicks / Jets fan because it's constant bandaids being placed on broken bones. flush the toilet and build around KP
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Post#267 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:39 am

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Post#268 » by Dkillanyk4lyf » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:40 am

I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

http://www.tankathon.com/
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Post#269 » by Mecca » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:40 am

Jennings runs the offense better. Let Rose jock with the second team.
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Post#270 » by duetta » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:41 am

Luckily, I was at the theater instead of coming home to watch this game. I guess that I won't bother trying to catch the replay.
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Post#271 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:41 am

Mecca wrote:We should've dealt Melo years ago and blew this baby up. I hate being a Knicks / Jets fan because it's constant bandaids being placed on broken bones. flush the toilet and build around KP


Agreed. We should have traded melo at the end of his first knick contract.
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Post#272 » by Mecca » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:45 am

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Mecca wrote:We should've dealt Melo years ago and blew this baby up. I hate being a Knicks / Jets fan because it's constant bandaids being placed on broken bones. flush the toilet and build around KP


Agreed. We should have traded melo at the end of his first knick contract.
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Post#273 » by K_ick_God » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:47 am

All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.
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Post#274 » by AmazingJason » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:47 am

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

http://www.tankathon.com/


Hell to the yes on that.

People around here RIPPING me for my PG thread last game.

Can't say I ain't told you so.

1) We were hoodwinked by the Bulls for Rose and Noah.

2) Hoodwinked by Phil, who might end up equaling Isiah for worst President in Knicks history.

3) Our "franchise" player has anemia and isn't being developed.

4) We're stuck with Noah, KP, Melo, Lee and Lance "F*cking" Thomas for multiple years.

5) Kurt Rambis WILL be the interim again this year. Odds just shot up to 35%.
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Post#275 » by BeagleBoss » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:49 am

KnicksGod wrote:All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.

Not with Phil sticking his nose and not allowing Hornecek to coach.
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Post#276 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:50 am

duetta wrote:Luckily, I was at the theater instead of coming home to watch this game. I guess that I won't bother trying to catch the replay.


Best plan. Will only make it hard to digest lunch
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Post#277 » by Juggynaut » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:50 am

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Post#278 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:51 am

AmazingJason wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

http://www.tankathon.com/


Hell to the yes on that.

People around here RIPPING me for my PG thread last game.

Can't say I ain't told you so.

1) We were hoodwinked by the Bulls for Rose and Noah.

2) Hoodwinked by Phil, who might end up equaling Isiah for worst President in Knicks history.

3) Our "franchise" player has anemia and isn't being developed.

4) We're stuck with Noah, KP, Melo, Lee and Lance "F*cking" Thomas for multiple years.

5) Kurt Rambis WILL be the interim again this year. Odds just shot up to 35%.


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Post#279 » by Clyde Frazier » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:52 am

Floozenheimen wrote:I think Melo might be the most overrated player of this generation. The dude is not even a top 50 player in my book. His D is atrocious. A top tier player simply cannot be so one dimensional that his entire game is the mid-ranged jumper on offense and the entire rest of his game is a damn joke.

He has no leadership. No heart. No defensive awareness. He's lazy, calling for switches, leading to mismatches and other players covering extra ground. He's petty, allowing his bad defense to cause him to make horrible decisions on offense (aka hero ball). He does not create for others on offense. He does not penetrate. He can't jump. He shoots. He's a damn pitching machine with a jab step. **** this guy.


It's almost baffling how unfamiliar some of you are with melo's career as a whole and the intricacies of his game. Not to mention the absurd living in the moment. He's in his 14th season, so no, he isn't as good as he used to be. The guy who helped us win 54 games in 2013 was a top 5 to 10 player in the league, though. Also played unselfish and adequate D last season as the best playmaker on the roster, which is not his strong suit.
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Post#280 » by AmazingJason » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:53 am

CJackson wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

http://www.tankathon.com/


Hell to the yes on that.

People around here RIPPING me for my PG thread last game.

Can't say I ain't told you so.

1) We were hoodwinked by the Bulls for Rose and Noah.

2) Hoodwinked by Phil, who might end up equaling Isiah for worst President in Knicks history.

3) Our "franchise" player has anemia and isn't being developed.

4) We're stuck with Noah, KP, Melo, Lee and Lance "F*cking" Thomas for multiple years.

5) Kurt Rambis WILL be the interim again this year. Odds just shot up to 35%.


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Our next win won't be till November 9th and we'll be 1-5 by then and everyone will be on the tank wagon :D
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