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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#381 » by Capn'O » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:17 am

Smash3 wrote:Phil is so out of his zone when it comes to building a team. He's great on the micro level but terrible on the macro level.

He was so focused on expanding his ring collection as soon as possible that he **** the franchise. There's two ways to a ring; FA aquisitions or the draft. Ideally you would do both, but either one on it's own works; i.e Miami vs GS.

When he realized atttacting premier FA's was out of the question he should've shipped Me7o out. But instead he opted for the quick fix, building through the draft with KP and winning q championship all at the same damn time.

Fire Pjax and get someone who is in it for the long haul. Might take 5-6 yrs if done correctly, or 15 yrs if another quick fixer is put in place.


I'll believe it when I see it. Believe it or not, PJ has been the most "long haul" oriented executive we've had... since the 60s???

We've had two GMs with "Grun" in their name that have built decently on the fly.
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Post#382 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:18 am

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sushibear wrote:This board is a hoot. It's funny seeing some of the melo fans and kp fans taking jabs at each other. Why fight anyways. It's all lebron and cleveland for the next 4 years, hopefully only 4 more years.

Then embiid is going to rule the east

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Post#383 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:18 am

KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.


He is not sure what to do in the current lineup so he is deferring. He is a team first guy who will be asserting himself as time goes on, but for now he is part of the new chaos and that ends up defaulting to guys who are natural high usage players like Rose and Melo. This should be really obvious, but bogus narratives are being created already.
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Post#384 » by NOOB77 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:18 am

So here is my problem with KP sure I was taking over the top with a couple post just for fun but get real for a second....

Where does he play? People say his body isn't ready to play a 5 full time. So that means he can't play there for a bulk of the minutes. So that means for him to play a high level amount of minutes he needs to play a 4. He has been wrecked the last two games playing the 4. Harris baked him up and Anderson tonight. So he is getting burnt on defense but can't punish the small players on the block because they are all stronger than him and can just push him out to the three point line. So against teams that play small ball with stretch 4 players he is getting burnt on defense and then he can't take advantage of the mismatch on the other end. So what do we do with him?? Bench him for games when other team plays small ball?

It isn't luck that his best game was against Memphis that plays a tradition type line-up when Randolph came in.
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Post#385 » by DaGawd » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:19 am

KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...
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Post#386 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:20 am

DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...

I wanted Towns.
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Post#387 » by DaGawd » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:21 am

Greenie wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...

I wanted Towns.

Everyone did. We didn't get him. Instead we got the dude with probably the 2nd highest potential in the draft in a very good draft.. Stop the madness
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Post#388 » by Adelheid » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:21 am

Man do I crave for a carte blanche at this point.
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Post#389 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:21 am

NYKfan77 wrote:So here is my problem with KP sure I was taking over the top with a couple post just for fun but get real for a second....

Where does he play? People say his body isn't ready to play a 5 full time. So that means he can't play there for a bulk of the minutes. So that means for him to play a high level amount of minutes he needs to play a 4. He has been wrecked the last two games playing the 4. Harris baked him up and Anderson tonight. So he is getting burnt on defense but can't punish the small players on the block because they are all stronger than him and can just push him out to the three point line. So against teams that play small ball with stretch 4 players he is getting burnt on defense and then he can't take advantage of the mismatch on the other end. So what do we do with him?? Bench him for games when other team plays small ball?

It isn't luck that his best game was against Memphis that plays a tradition type line-up when Randolph came in.

KP is a Center and is too weak to be put there. I can't make this sh*t up. Only the Knicks!
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Post#390 » by NOOB77 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:22 am

DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...



Alot of star dont regress in there second season only to get better again in there third. You see a gradual climb to stardom not step backs.

I am not giving up on him just stating facts his game has looked to regress some. Claims to be a hard worker but maybe didn't work on the things that matter? I think by the end of his career he will be in multiple all-star games.
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Post#391 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:22 am

DaGawd wrote:
Greenie wrote:
DaGawd wrote:This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...

I wanted Towns.

Everyone did. We didn't get him. Instead we got the dude with probably the 2nd highest potential in the draft in a very good draft.. Stop the madness

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Post#392 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:23 am

Hornacek also better install a little zone defense with KP in the middle over the next couple of seasons.
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Post#393 » by Sark » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:24 am

Greenie wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...

I wanted Towns.



Towns is averaging 16/7 on 46% shooting, while getting as many touches as he wants. If he were here, he'd be getting pushed around the same way KP has been. He still weak as **** too. They had to go give Dieng a ton of money because Towns ain't ready yet neither.
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Post#394 » by DaGawd » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:24 am

NYKfan77 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...



Alot of star dont regress in there second season only to get better again in there third. You see a gradual climb to stardom not step backs.

I am not giving up on him just stating facts his game has looked to regress some. Claims to be a hard worker but maybe didn't work on the things that matter? I think by the end of his career he will be in multiple all-star games.

I legit don't see any regression.. Ya'll are wylin right now
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Post#395 » by NOOB77 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:25 am

DaGawd wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...



Alot of star dont regress in there second season only to get better again in there third. You see a gradual climb to stardom not step backs.

I am not giving up on him just stating facts his game has looked to regress some. Claims to be a hard worker but maybe didn't work on the things that matter? I think by the end of his career he will be in multiple all-star games.

I legit don't see any regression.. Ya'll are wylin right now



So these first four games you see the same KP we saw last year?
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Post#396 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:25 am

Sark wrote:
Greenie wrote:
DaGawd wrote:This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...

I wanted Towns.



Towns is averaging 16/7 on 46% shooting, while getting as many touches as he wants. If he were here, he'd be getting pushed around the same way KP has been. He still weak as **** too. They had to go give Dieng a ton of money because Towns ain't ready yet neither.

and yet he's still better than Kris on BOTH sides of the ball.
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Post#397 » by KnicksScholar24 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:26 am

The defensively-challenged 2016 Knicks look worse defensively than any D'Antoni-coached team. Porzingis with the predictable sophomore NYK slump. Not a franchise caliber player. Very low energy. Bring out the tank 3 games into the season. SAD!
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Post#398 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:26 am

CJackson wrote:That is also true for the most part. I'm never going to be imbalanced about it, but Melo really does care more about a maximum payout and being a New Yorker. That's not hate, just who he is.


Opinion, I'm not arguing with about that

I do think most of your POV is built off something we won't agree on. You think Melo is a great player. I think he is a great jump shooter, nothing more. In every other way, I consider him an average to inferior player. So instead of defaulting to an assumption that everything said about Melo comes from a place of raw emotion, examine your emotions more than mine or others, because there is nothing wrong with anyone stating what they see.


You don't know what I think Melo is first of all. For one I know he cannot carry us like he's 25 years old. I've always felt like he's best suited as a 1B. Like a James Worthy, who can lead you in scoring while also providing rebounding and passing and playing good enough defense but he can't be your best all around player nor your primary facilitator. In Denver they never added that 2nd scorer he needed after they added Billups and in New York well you've seen all the teammates, coaches and systems. Its not a recipe for success. I don't blame him for the ineptitude of the front office. He's not a perfect player yet the team we've built around him has highlighted his flaws where they are supposed to mask them. Its like putting LeBron on a team with no shooters, he'll look really human and get forced to do too much too often.

I see a really underwhelming star who thinks he is great. He's not great in my book. He's really beneficial in spurts and then he becomes an outright detriment to the team. I don't see any greatness in that. You think he is great. And we don't agree. Nothing to get wound up about.


Again stop telling me what I think. I never said he was great, I feel he can be a key piece to a team that wants to contend for a championship. Call it a 1B, a 2nd option or instant offense. Call it whatever you want but he's not going to carry a team to the promise land by himself, no one is. Thats why LeBron joins a Kyrie, Durant joins a Curry, Draymond and Klay. In New York he simply has to do too much for us to compete. Guys complain as if he's the reason we're down 9 but in reality he's the reason we're not down 29.

You guys can judge him as a player but my issue is we're always blind to the bigger issues. We lost this game against the Rockets and all I see is Melo bashing, its bigger than Melo, bigger than all the players. Y'all don't see that tho.
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Post#399 » by whocares1 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:27 am

NYKfan77 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...



Alot of star dont regress in there second season only to get better again in there third. You see a gradual climb to stardom not step backs.

I am not giving up on him just stating facts his game has looked to regress some. Claims to be a hard worker but maybe didn't work on the things that matter? I think by the end of his career he will be in multiple all-star games.


Devin Booker hasn't played well at all. Russell has struggled and even Towns. Porzingis has been more productive than Towns stat wise before this game. He's not regressed he's just soft and Noah needs to tell him that.
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Post#400 » by Sark » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:28 am

NYKfan77 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:KP is young and figuring things out but he's also not trying to be disruptive. He's had a couple productive games too, out of 4. Even Cleveland wasn't bad.

This whole narrative is lame. KP will be more than aggressive enough. It took them a few years to get Paul George to try to be the main option. Feeling it out and letting it come to you is no sin.

This.. A lot of stars take a couple year before they truely elite alpha level players. It's amazing to me people are ready to give up on this kid 4 games into his sophomore season...



Alot of star dont regress in there second season only to get better again in there third. You see a gradual climb to stardom not step backs.

I am not giving up on him just stating facts his game has looked to regress some. Claims to be a hard worker but maybe didn't work on the things that matter? I think by the end of his career he will be in multiple all-star games.



Carmelo himself had a better rookie season that in his sophomore season. In his first 4 games of his 2nd season, he shot 9 for 22, 5 for 25, 3 for 20, and 5 for 14.

Do you really think Denver wanted to ship him out because his first 4 games were trash? KP in game 2 was better than anything Melo did in his first 4 of his second season.

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