Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[DaGawd]

The comments being made by players just reaffirms to me that the tank is upon us!

[Jeff Van Gully]

holy schnikes, this defense is terrible.

[2010]

Ironic that Phil made Dolan pledge not to meddle, yet he refuses to stop meddling with his coaches. Dude has openly admitted he will only hire puppets. Tbh, we have looked good when Jeff has been able to do things his way, the way he has voiced he envisions us playing. Yet immediately after we looked very good doink things Jeff's way (our win vs. the Grizzlies), next thing we hear is Phil is sitting in on practice and offering up triangle offense tutorials to players on the sideline unbeknownst to Jeff, and that tutorial was unsolicited, according to Courtney Lee, who was the subject.

Phil is the problem here. Some of y'all love to blame Dolan but the guy has actually honored his word and stayed away. Opened his wallet yet the results are the same. Maybe y'all boy Phil should take a page from Dolan and stop meddling and just let his coaches coach.

[Jalen Bluntson]

When Hornacek got hired...I watched endless film and breakdowns of what he did in Phoenix and none of it is being applied here. This is slop. Triangle? Teams load up on the strong side and we refuse to run PnR weak side. We refuse to score inside. We don't lob pass. We don't give and go. Fundamentals? None. Constant roster turnover. Several different coaches. No identity. I hate this team

[Adelheid]

The old man wants to coach but doesnt want to be the coach...

[thebuzzardman]

KP went 0-4 tonight and was embarrassing himself on defense. This might be the worst game I've ever seen him play.

So much for the consistency he said he was going to establish

Half assed game
Ok game
Half assed game
Horrible game

I guess he's establishing a pattern of not playing well, so there's consistency of some kind

[NBA Fan 1234]

Are more people coming around to me being right about Rose...?

[MP4LIFE]

Ironic that Phil made Dolan pledge not to meddle, yet he refuses to stop meddling with his coaches. Dude has openly admitted he will only hire puppets. Tbh, we have looked good when Jeff has been able to do things his way, the way he has voiced he envisions us playing. Yet immediately after we looked very good doink things Jeff's way (our win vs. the Grizzlies), next thing we hear is Phil is sitting in on practice and offering up triangle offense tutorials to players on the sideline unbeknownst to Jeff, and that tutorial was unsolicited, according to Courtney Lee, who was the subject.

Phil is the problem here. Some of y'all love to blame Dolan but the guy has actually honored his word and stayed away. Opened his wallet yet the results are the same. Maybe y'all boy Phil should take a page from Dolan and stop meddling and just let his coaches coach.

Dolan hired Phil and is responsible for every terrible move this franchise has done in over a decade.

He gave Phil $12 million a year with no GM experience.

Why not throw that money at someone who has shown they can actually build successful franchises? Instead he chases the flashy name, just like he did with Isiah Thomas.

[DaGawd]

Are more people coming around to me being right about Rose...?

And I think (hope) Phil knew it all along too. Same with Noah. In Noah's case hopefully Phil has some inkling that a amnesty is in the new CBA. I feel like this is a cerebrally designed stealth tank

[Apples]

Phil Jackson is a big problem y'all.

[Kampuchea]

I like how the team Phil assembled is coming together so far. We have shown some improvements and I expect us to take our lumps the first 10 games being close to .500 and after that kick it into championship gear.

[Zerostatic]

Old time poster here. I haven't been following the knicks much over the last few years (grad school, 2 kids, etc.) and finally I have some free time on my hand so I spent $120 for a Knicks season pass (I'm a cord cutter) and I get treated to this . . . feels just like old times. Over the hill stars that make me excited (Marbury, Francis, etc.) and youth that's not quite as good as we all hoped.

[dakomish23]

When your PG is calling his own number 95% of the time and sucks at it, that's always going to be the main thing wrong with your team.

It's that simple.

But Rose has always been like that. Shouldn't be a surprise. Rose is along the lines of Steph Marbury and Steve Francis...and I don't mean that in a bad way per se. The Knicks should be trying to figure out a way to maximize Roses strengths and not expecting him focus on areas he's not good at.

In fact this inability to align players with system has been one of the biggest underlying problems with the Knicks for well over a decade. Their problem is not talent. They've had plenty of talent. Their problem has been getting players that fit the system that they want to run. Why who your GM is is so important and not just anyone can be a GM.

Larry Brown and the players he had was a brutal mix. Mike DAntoni and the players he had was a terrible mix. There's a reason why Mike Woodson has been the most successful head coach since the turn of the 21st century (15 years). It's not because he's the best coach. It's because he actually had players that fit the system he runs. In 2012-2013 that mix of players were a near perfect mix for his system and the Knicks won 54 games.

This isn't a secret. It's why the Spurs have been so great. It's why the Warriors were so good. It's why the Bulls and Lakers under Jackson were great. It's what the Mavericks even without the greatest talent have been able to play above the talent they have. Cause the players fit the system. And when the players fit they are more successful which makes them play harder and remain positive which allows them to not go into long ruts which is what has been burying teams like the Knicks. You give any halfway solid coach players that fit his system and he'll be more often successful than not,

He may have always been like this, but he has never sucked at it like this and does not have the stout defenders around him to cover up for his major flaws.

This **** they're doing will not work.

[dakomish23]

Jennings runs the offense better. Let Rose jock with the second team.

It's literally that easy of a fix.

I have no idea why Jeff will not let Jennings rock with KP for extended periods of time. Did he not see how the kid was eating when DRose was out?

[Johnny Firpo]

KP is trash. That is the Knicks' biggest problem.

Oh, shut up.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Are more people coming around to me being right about Rose...?

And I think (hope) Phil knew it all along too. Same with Noah. In Noah's case hopefully Phil has some inkling that a amnesty is in the new CBA. I feel like this is a cerebrally designed stealth tank

I don't think he did it intentionally, but if he did then he truly is a basketball genius. I personally want him out, but that's just because I feel like he's simply outmatched for this job and his style of play (even though we don't run it) is somewhat antiquated IMO. I just posted that because I want people to eat crow. They know who they are.

We suck again.

[NBA Fan 1234]

KP is trash. That is the Knicks' biggest problem.

Oh, shut up.

Ignore him. He's a Lin fanboy who has been trashing on KP for a while. Yes, whocares1, we know.

[thebuzzardman]

Is Melo coming off an injury or just that disinterested in playing basketball. He looks like he he is struggling at everything

He's old and lost that bit of lift, where he was never a high flyer anyway. And he's strong, but not PF strong, so the lack of lift is why he gets schooled and/or missed in the paint most of the time.

Plus, his legs being basically on the way out means he has less lift to shoot jump shots, so now he's becoming inconsistent there, especially if there is any pace to the game and he's a little fatigued. Can he get streaky hot and shoot 8 in a row? Sure, like any older player on the downside, the shooting is there in batches. Melo can't sustain scoring anymore because he's losing it physically, so he's a streaky scorer now.

However, Melo is too prideful to realize it, so still tries to be the Alpha scorer but his game is Beta now.
And he's never been a smart defender, so now that he's lost an 1/4 step, he just gets toasted.

Basically the Knicks "best" player in an inconsistent scorer who doesn't play D well. Nice.

In Melo's defense, he's a true SF. He's not a put the ball on the floor guard or a "point forward" so he needs good PG play.
KP is the same way, but worse, as he has less moves than even Grandad Melo. KP won't be a star because he can't create for himself. At all.

So, if you think that KP and Melo have something to offer, you'd need the right piece for them. It's like a football team having an aging but canny wide receiver and new, tall talented receiver, and proceeds to put crappy quarterback and crappy quarterback next to them.

Again, Harden is nice, Lebron is nice, but Melo was never that guy; it's not his style. But then that's like saying Hawks teams with Dominque Wilkens could never be good. That guy didn't facilitate for others at all. But he could score, and they put complimentary pieces next to him.

Melo has always needed a good PG to set him up and he needs it more than ever as he's Grandad Melo now, but Knicks always blow it.

[DaGawd]

Are more people coming around to me being right about Rose...?

And I think (hope) Phil knew it all along too. Same with Noah. In Noah's case hopefully Phil has some inkling that a amnesty is in the new CBA. I feel like this is a cerebrally designed stealth tank

I don't think he did it intentionally, but if he did then he truly is a basketball genius. I personally want him out, but that's just because I feel like he's simply outmatched for this job and his style of play (even though we don't run it) is somewhat antiquated IMO. I just posted that because I want people to eat crow. They know who they are.

We suck again.

Haha I hear ya on that. The only reason I came to that conclusion is because I want to honestly believe Phil is truely a basketball genius who will get this turned around for us in the long haul even if he isn't around to over see it after his contract is up.. leaving us with a couple of high draft picks would def set us on the right track

[EchelonNYK]

The Knicks should've went and got Thibodeau. I said this plenty of times during the coach search.