Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

from Begley...Jeff is officially starting to look suspect

Courtney Lee says the Knicks should "practice against more game-like situations" rather than practicing against the triangle offense. "We run the triangle, we practice against it a lot. I think we need to practice against pick and rolls, practice against other looks and whatnot and get comfortable with that because that's what other teams are running."

This is the saddest thing I've seen lol.

It was glaringly obvious that no defense was being practiced. I am glad this has come to light.

Phil is looking suspect. Not jeff.

They're both looking suspect to me bro. I'm not here for another puppet coach. Noah called out the defensive game plan after the loss to Detroit, Lee says this sh*t, the offense no longer resembles how they were trying to play during the preseason (maybe u could blame that on trying to incorporate Rose, but 10 points in the 4th against Detroit and making Houston look like a top notch defensive team is just embarrassing), and Jeff's rotations have been looking Fisher-esque at times.

[IllmaticHandler]

Not sure why people keep Bringing Fultz name up. Yall know full well we won't be that bad. This team is not top 5 five bad. In typical Knick Fashion we will finish middle of the pack

[god shammgod]

i'm fine. this is the last year of phil. whatever comes next comes next. but this can't go on.

[Apples]

They're middle of the pack if they stay healthy. With injury prone players, that's not likely.

[Red Vines]

Give Horny a chance to try out Phil's concepts until they fail and we can get back to playing normal basketball.

[moocow007]

I just dont get how anyone can be a Melo fan. He's done nothing and has accomplished nothing in his time here. Not totally his fault since management sucks but Melo will be remembered as another Marbury aka a loser here.

Anthony isn't Lebron James or Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. Not close. Same like Marbury. Both guys were expected to be Lebron James, Michael Jordan and/or Kobe Bryant when they were traded for. That's problem one. Problem two is that, just as they couldn't build a team around Marbury (best player he had was Eddy Curry), they haven't been able to build a team around Anthony (best he had was a year of broken kneed Amare). So, yeah, Anthony hasn't helped like he should but if you look at what other players of his level (the just below that top tier players that can carry teams deep into playoffs) have had, most all of them had better talent and better fitting systems. Team and system actually do matter. Just take a look at Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Arguably one of the top 5-7 talents in the NBA. Can't win a thing (at least Anthony's teams in Denver were perennial 50 win playoff teams) because the teams he's been on is poor built and doesn't fit the systems the coaching staff tries to run. The biggest issue with the Knicks has been their front office's inability to build teams. Now you can blame the pressure of must win or Dolan pressuring (for must win) but at the end of the day, the Knicks have had some of the most poorly fitting teams in over a decade. Unless you can luck into a generational player like Lebron or MJ or Kobe who can compensate for lack of team building, you must, must, must be able to build a team. The Mavericks are an example of well built teams. I mean hardly the most talented team year in and year out and yet they keep doing better than what you'd expect based on the players they have. Why? Cause they have a team with a working system and players that fit the system which maximizes the strengths of their players and doesn't focus on their weaknesses. The Spurs are the Mavericks on steroids. Same team building but much more talent.

[Adelheid]

Not sure why people keep Bringing Fultz name up. Yall know full well we won't be that bad.

Ohhh but we can be that bad.

[thebuzzardman]

Y'all blame Melo for everything

I blame that 7'3'' dude...

Melo's old and overrated
KP's young and overrated

[F N 11]

This guy won his first year in PHX with leser players. Dont give me these guys are washed. It can be done. Let the man coach. what happened to that preseason offense jesus.

[NYKHardKnock]

Is kp trash absolutely not, is he a 1st option on a championship team no. Can he be a 2nd option on a championship team i believe so.

Which is why we need to tank and draft a future number 1 guy,which i beleive this draft class has plenty of franchise guys.

http://www.tankathon.com/

this is exactly what I've said. KP is an extremely valuable piece on a championship team, a very very good 2nd option , decent 1st option, nothing wrong with that. Unless he develops into a well rounded player that can demand the ball and play at a consistent pace.

[god shammgod]

Give Horny a chance to try out Phil's concepts until they fail and we can get back to playing normal basketball.

by then it's too late. this team doesn't have the talent to give games away. the lack of defense has nothing to do with phil anyway. except for the fact that he hired him.

[Nazrmohamed]

We are 0-2 ever since Phil was seen this weekend teaching players the triangle one by one, disrupting whatever flow the players had prior to that conversations.

BAKER & Kuz should be getting more mins than Sasha and Lance.

Sasha and Lance knows the triangle better

Yeah that got to go it's not working for this team. I've said since last year and I'll say it again, They need to get rid of that system.


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Not that I love the triangle cuz I don't but I will say this. The types of players we went out and got, THEY FIT THE TRIANGLE. You got two big men who can pass, a PG who can score, you got shooters at 3 positions.

And right now Hornicek isn't really running the triangle. So I'm not gonna bash Phil for the triangle in this case, Im gonna bash him for doing what every knick manager seems to do.

Wrong place
Wrong time

First you force the triangle to a team without the talent. Then you get the talent and go hire Hornicek who literaly makes no sense fire the system you wanna run. And then you can make a case that we got the right players but a day late and a dollar short. Phil should've hired Thibodeaux for this roster, simple and plain.

You don't try to win now while mentoring a coach to learn a system you wanna place on him. But again, the triangle should fit these players.

But that's just the offense, we don't defend anyone.

[IllmaticHandler]

Not sure why people keep Bringing Fultz name up. Yall know full well we won't be that bad.

Oh but we can.

I seriously doubt it. Yall going to be hoping all season to get the #1 and won't get it. Even in a season where the Knicks WANTED to be bad...they could not get the number one pick. Pelicans, Sixers, Suns and the likes will finish with a worst recored. Fultz is off the table for us. If we was in the west maybe. In The east? we going to get some wins that takes us out that spot.

[will34]

To quote Eddie Vedder

"And I'm crying and covered in beer
I'll look to the sky and know I was right
To think someday we'll go all the way
Yeah
Someday we'll go all the way"

But not for a while.

[Nazrmohamed]

Is kp trash absolutely not, is he a 1st option on a championship team no. Can he be a 2nd option on a championship team i believe so.

Which is why we need to tank and draft a future number 1 guy,which i beleive this draft class has plenty of franchise guys.

http://www.tankathon.com/

this is exactly what I've said. KP is an extremely valuable piece on a championship team, a very very good 2nd option , decent 1st option, nothing wrong with that. Unless he develops into a well rounded player that can demand the ball and play at a consistent pace.

My thing, and I love Porzingis, is that we should have like 4 Porzingis' on our roster by now with all this losing we've had. In fact we should've done what the Sixers have and actually SOLD our cap space to teams looking to shed it, in exchange for picks.

[thebuzzardman]

We should've dealt Melo years ago and blew this baby up. I hate being a Knicks / Jets fan because it's constant bandaids being placed on broken bones. flush the toilet and build around KP

KP ain't the one

Your "Franchise talent"

Can't guard modern NBA 4's.
Can protect the rim but will get bodied 1 on 1 by 95% of all NBA centers or power forwards.
Isn't strong enough to post up
Doesn't have a ton of post moves anyway
Relies heavily on the 3, which he shoots inconsistently, and so far, frankly, for a low percentage.
Good at playing within the flow of an offense but
Bad at establishing position or working to get the ball; aimless on offense at times.
Sets "Meh" screens in the P&R
Good mid range jumper on the rare occasions he gets himself set up to take one


Doesn't sound "Franchisey" to me. Sounds like a worse Jack Sikma.

[god shammgod]

Is kp trash absolutely not, is he a 1st option on a championship team no. Can he be a 2nd option on a championship team i believe so.

Which is why we need to tank and draft a future number 1 guy,which i beleive this draft class has plenty of franchise guys.

http://www.tankathon.com/

this is exactly what I've said. KP is an extremely valuable piece on a championship team, a very very good 2nd option , decent 1st option, nothing wrong with that. Unless he develops into a well rounded player that can demand the ball and play at a consistent pace.

he's not close to being either yet. look at the 1st and 2nd options on golden state and cleveland. how does kp add up to them ? he couldn't be the 1st option on any team currently unless it's a bad one.

[thebuzzardman]

I think Phil himself knows KP will be a 5 one day.. But not now. These first 2 years are gonna be used to build him up for it imo.

The boy is Soft. s. o. f. capital T.
sofT

Boy they say Knick fans are the smartest.. But I can't lie we have some real DUMB mofo's amongst us if anyone believes KP is soft.

True. He's MENTALLY strong.

Too bad his body isn't willing otherwise.

[god shammgod]

KP ain't the one

Your "Franchise talent"

Can't guard modern NBA 4's.
Can protect the rim but will get bodied 1 on 1 by 95% of all NBA centers or power forwards.
Isn't strong enough to post up
Doesn't have a ton of post moves anyway
Relies heavily on the 3, which he shoots inconsistently, and so far, frankly, for a low percentage.
Good at playing within the flow of an offense but
Bad at establishing position or working to get the ball; aimless on offense at times.
Sets "Meh" screens in the P&R
Good mid range jumper on the rare occasions he gets himself set up to take one


Doesn't sound "Franchisey" to me. Sounds like a worse Jack Sikma.

first we drafted channing frye and now we drafted a really tall channing frye

[thebuzzardman]

If Phil does it then I'd know he's a dumb ass....

Nope. KP is the new Gallo. Overrated trade bait.

I think Phil himself knows KP will be a 5 one day.. But not now. These first 2 years are gonna be used to build him up for it imo.

This year must be the "tear down" before the build up. Yeah, that's it.