Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[god shammgod]

this is exactly what I've said. KP is an extremely valuable piece on a championship team, a very very good 2nd option , decent 1st option, nothing wrong with that. Unless he develops into a well rounded player that can demand the ball and play at a consistent pace.

he's not close to being either yet. look at the 1st and 2nd options on golden state and cleveland. how does kp add up to them ? he couldn't be the 1st option on any team currently unless it's a bad one.

Nobody on our roster is a great first option right now, but KP will improve.

i agree. rose is a shell. kp not close to ready. melo getting older. this is doomed to fail.

[K_ick_God]

The best argument is that it's not essential for KP to be a top scorer. If he's a good scorer and becomes a very good paint defender, he's a piece of the title puzzle.

Scoring is big but it's far from everything. Leonard was not some dominant scorer early on. Be a taller that KP.

Melo's career was built around being a top scorer and it's going to end kind of badly it seems. And he never had a ton of success even in his prime.

[Sprewell4Three]

I swear some Knicks fans need their heads examined. Why has there been KP bashing ? Really? Let the kid grow and play. Everyone else should be held to a higher standard because they've been in the league for years.
I swear we always get stars that are way past their primes from Amare to Noah and Rose. I like Noah but you could tell he's on the tail end of his career.

KP's young, but he has been a professional ball player for like 5 years.

He's passive by nature on offense, sadly it seems.

If he's passive then why are people upset? Maybe right now he's just a good 3rd or 4th option. He's only 21 years old and until he reaches his full potential we should surround him with other young players so they can grow together. KP might be feeling the pressure right now.

[DaGawd]

Dudes are really out here tryna cap KPs potential already....its really wild to me

[ChilledAlex]

There should be bans sent out for people that criticize KP. This is why I can't stand The fan base sometimes. We're always turning on our young players. It's only been 4 games into KPs 2nd year and we already have talk of him already reaching his potential... wow

Dude I'm on KP bandwagon, but I'm not delusional either. Dude looks like **** on D and like pussy on O - it is what it is, the sooner KP wakes and bullys the fck up the better! If waking him up means fanbase talking **** about him - lets accomplish that.

Tell me one player that has improved here when the fan base talks sh*t about him? I can understand being critical but let's not declare KP to be a finished product 4 games into his 2nd year!

The same idiots that were booing him at the draft were the same ones slobbering on his you know what, last season....frauds, man.

Of course he is not finished product early at 21. But he isn't anywhere close as good as he was even last season where he was proving that he isn't soft. Idk whats with him, if its anema , or fatigue, or minor injury or lack of motivation but the truth is he doesn't look the same.

[JXL]

The best argument is that it's not essential for KP to be a top scorer. If he's a good scorer and becomes a very good paint defender, he's a piece of the title puzzle.

Scoring is big but it's far from everything. Leonard was not some dominant scorer early on. Be a taller that KP.

Melo's career was built around being a top scorer and it's going to end kind of badly it seems. And he never had a ton of success even in his prime.

KP's not there yet to be a 2nd option on a talent upgraded team.

As for Melo, his decline is apparent, he's not providing lift anymore.

[Knicks_Fan2]

i've seen enough
the knicks will not make the playoffs
kp will not be a future superstar
come at me bros

Don't think it's fair to say he's not a future superstar based off of 4 games. He's playing like chit but the skills are there and he's playing a little bit out of position and he needs to have a little less respect for Melo and Rose on the court.

Based on 4 games and the entire 2nd half of last season.

His best month last year was January crossing into the 2nd half of last season, and his numbers for the start of this year (where he hasn't even played well) are very comparable to KAT. He is 21 years old and ahead of comparable players to him in history; this team's fans suck.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Dudes are really out here tryna cap KPs potential already....its really wild to me

It's hilarious. Let's just hope the front office isn't infected with this terrible, defeatist attitude. This is why the smaller markets do a great job of cultivating talent; their fan bases and media aren't as impatient with their development.

[god shammgod]

and i'm most upset about kp because who really cares about the rest of these players. this team at it's best was doing nothing this year. he represents hope. if he can't improve then we're really nowhere.

[ccvle]

There should be bans sent out for people that criticize KP. This is why I can't stand The fan base sometimes. We're always turning on our young players. It's only been 4 games into KPs 2nd year and we already have talk of him already reaching his potential... wow

no, my opinion is that knicks fan tend to overrate their young players. What young players that we had in the last 20 years were worth building around ? And regarding the last sentence, you can't totally blame the fans. We definitely saw frye and mike sweetney peaked in the first year then kinda went down hill.

[Knicks_Fan2]

he's not close to being either yet. look at the 1st and 2nd options on golden state and cleveland. how does kp add up to them ? he couldn't be the 1st option on any team currently unless it's a bad one.

Nobody on our roster is a great first option right now, but KP will improve.

i agree. rose is a shell. kp not close to ready. melo getting older. this is doomed to fail.

What is doomed to fail? What was your objective? Did you really think we were going anywhere this season? We will contend for a back-end playoff spot in the East when, frankly, we should be tanking but Phil is old. Enjoy that.

[Knicks_Fan2]

There should be bans sent out for people that criticize KP. This is why I can't stand The fan base sometimes. We're always turning on our young players. It's only been 4 games into KPs 2nd year and we already have talk of him already reaching his potential... wow

no, my opinion is that knicks fan tend to overrate their young players. What young players that we had in the last 20 years were worth building around ? And regarding the last sentence, you can't totally blame the fans. We definitely saw frye and mike sweetney peaked in the first year then kinda went down hill.

Neither even close to KP's talent. The best thing for Knicks fans to do is to just take the "hater" outside of New York media and see how they evaluate KP as a prospect. You will then know how valuable he is to this franchise.

[thebuzzardman]

I swear some Knicks fans need their heads examined. Why has there been KP bashing ? Really? Let the kid grow and play. Everyone else should be held to a higher standard because they've been in the league for years.
I swear we always get stars that are way past their primes from Amare to Noah and Rose. I like Noah but you could tell he's on the tail end of his career.

KP's young, but he has been a professional ball player for like 5 years.

He's passive by nature on offense, sadly it seems.

If he's passive then why are people upset? Maybe right now he's just a good 3rd or 4th option. He's only 21 years old and until he reaches his full potential we should surround him with other young players so they can grow together. KP might be feeling the pressure right now.

Because it feels like Channing Frye-itis, where he got bullied around, then hurt his knee and then spent 7 years being a passive piece of crap before he discovered shooting 3's and reinventing himself.

My concern is KP is letting players push him around and he's conceding it.

[Knicks_Fan2]

and i'm most upset about kp because who really cares about the rest of these players. this team at it's best was doing nothing this year. he represents hope. if he can't improve then we're really nowhere.

But don't you want KP to be put in the best positions to improve instead of trying to fit around two insanely high usage players?

[shtolky]

There should be bans sent out for people that criticize KP. This is why I can't stand The fan base sometimes. We're always turning on our young players. It's only been 4 games into KPs 2nd year and we already have talk of him already reaching his potential... wow

Dude I'm on KP bandwagon, but I'm not delusional either. Dude looks like **** on D and like pussy on O - it is what it is, the sooner KP wakes and bullys the fck up the better! If waking him up means fanbase talking **** about him - lets accomplish that.

I think the criticism against KP these first four games is valid (though it is only four games), but I think people forget to realize he is still only 21. The negative for KP is that he seems way too passive thus far. He's got that dog in him deep down, but he's also a really nice, sweet kid who doesn't want to rock the boat, especially with the new vets in town. I think it's fair to say he is the most talented person on this team but at 21 with his personality, he tends to float around, trying to be the perfect teammate. The positive is that again, he is only 21. At 20, he was so impressive to us that we all thought he would immediately become an all-star. Take his most frequently mentioned comparison, Dirk, and you'll remember he didn't really put it together until year 3 (it's true, look it up). It's tempting to want to think he will be this juggernaut this season, but he really is progressing fine in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating to see him float around when he should be the man on this team, but KP is honestly the least of my worries about this team, by a country mile.

[bklynstoops]

you know there are people dying to see KP fail. It is what it is.

[god shammgod]

and i'm most upset about kp because who really cares about the rest of these players. this team at it's best was doing nothing this year. he represents hope. if he can't improve then we're really nowhere.

But don't you want KP to be put in the best positions to improve instead of trying to fit around two insanely high usage players?

those high usage players are also making him the worst defender in the starting lineup and play with no energy. c'mon.

[DaGawd]

and i'm most upset about kp because who really cares about the rest of these players. this team at it's best was doing nothing this year. he represents hope. if he can't improve then we're really nowhere.

Look at the big picture we're not nowhere even if KP doesnt become great.. he becomes a very good piece to the puzzle..while we tank and find a possibly bigger/better piece to go with him in the draft

[Knicks_Fan2]

Everyone should just track usage (go to the advanced table) on this throughout the year (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2017.html). Right now, you have Rose/Melo gobbling up almost 60% of the pie and they play together (rarely staggered) so how exactly do you hope KP develops in that starting lineup when neither are playmakers?

[Knicks_Fan2]

and i'm most upset about kp because who really cares about the rest of these players. this team at it's best was doing nothing this year. he represents hope. if he can't improve then we're really nowhere.

But don't you want KP to be put in the best positions to improve instead of trying to fit around two insanely high usage players?

those high usage players are also making him the worst defender in the starting lineup and play with no energy. c'mon.

Yea I'm sorry you think a 7'3 player should be guarding the perimeter all game. Three of the four teams we have played have played a stretch four...and he has gotten toasted. You don't think that's related?