Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

Knickerbock · Post #1021 » by **Knickerbock** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:14 pm

We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

IllmaticHandler · Post #1022 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:18 pm

Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

In a nutshell.

Post #1023 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:18 pm

Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

You clearly don't believe in Derrick Rose.

NOOB77 · Post #1024 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:21 pm

Mecca wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
Mecca wrote:Do you clowns understand the game of basketball? KP is not a bust. Remember what happened to gallo when he was playing with ball dominant selfish players? He got shunned and sat in the corner for spot up 3's. KP's growth is being stunted with Rose and Melo, and his more European attitude towards the game is causing him to be a 3rd banana. Our record would be 3-1 if we were a PnR team or Jennings ran the uptempo offense.

Always someone elses fault. KP has had 3 bad games. Did they stunt his growth against Memphis. ?? Why can't people just say like he has played bad to start the season. It is his fault not others. Always looking to blame someone else. KP started the season bad same with Melo and Rose.

Did Melo stunt his growth last year? Or is that only this year? I am confused?

Melo and KP are poor fits together. I have no problem saying that.

KP isn't being developed properly, as he's taken the role of the 3rd banana after Rose and Melo get theres. And when Rose/Melo get theres, it's because they had to create there own shot, so the ball movement isn't fluid.

There were no poor fits being called out last year? No mention of Melo holding KP back? Dad Melo was talked about and how great he is for KP? KP starts season bad and now Melo is bad fit and holding KP back? Dat bananas man

Actually KP at the 5 and Melo at the 4 is perfect fit from the new small ball type system everyone is going too. What role do you think KP should be having? Should he be first scoring option? Should all the offense be ran through him? Will that help is growth? I think he is fine where he is at and needs to be more assertive. If you an alpha you dont take a back seat no matter the age or any other factor. If KP wants to be the alpha then play like it demand the ball take control of defense ect. If he wants to play a third fiddle that is on him.

Post #1025 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:21 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

In a nutshell.

Based on what we've seen so far, we will easily get a good pick

RHODEY · Post #1026 » by **RHODEY** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:22 pm

Wow this thread is hilarious. Imagine we win the next 2 games ..

god shammgod · Post #1027 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:22 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

You clearly don't believe in Derrick Rose.

yeah. if this is gonna be the offense and defense all year, i think we have a legit shot at a top 5 pick. it really looks that bad. gotta wonder if something happens during the year tho. will dolan emerge and fire someone after a couple of months. it's possible depending on how bad it is. then who knows what happens.

Post #1028 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:25 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

You clearly don't believe in Derrick Rose.

yeah. if this is gonna be the offense and defense all year, i think we have a legit shot at a top 5 pick. it really looks that bad. gotta wonder if something happens during the year tho. will dolan emerge and fire someone after a couple of months. it's possible depending on how bad it is. then who knows what happens.

I've yet to think of a compelling reason why Dolan would care enough to do anything. This issue will work itself out in the offseason if it gets so bad.

IllmaticHandler · Post #1029 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:27 pm

GONYK wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

In a nutshell.

Based on what we've seen so far, we will easily get a good pick

Whats a good pick?

god shammgod · Post #1030 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:27 pm

by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.

Post #1031 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:28 pm

blueNorange wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:What the F is wrong with some of you? This is why we can't have good promising young players.

mike d'antoni
amar'e
mike woodson
tim hardaway jr
jeremy lin
... kristaps porzingis

guys melo has gotten rid of.

Get rid of Melo, bring back those guys and Bargs, and go all out for the tank. I would have been down for that. If this continues maybe just hope we are in stealth tank mode and maybe we will get another good promising young player.

Post #1032 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:29 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:We are going to be in the worst possible position... not bad enough to get a good pick... Not good enough to do anything in the postseason.....

You clearly don't believe in Derrick Rose.

yeah. if this is gonna be the offense and defense all year, i think we have a legit shot at a top 5 pick. it really looks that bad. gotta wonder if something happens during the year tho. will dolan emerge and fire someone after a couple of months. it's possible depending on how bad it is. then who knows what happens.

Everything hinges on Rose's health though. One false step and we're back in mediocrity.

Post #1033 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:31 pm

god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.

Dantares · Post #1034 » by **Dantares** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:31 pm

wow you guys are so pessimistic. I think even though we are 1-3 that the talent upgrade is obvious, I mean we are going to win some games with Melo having horrible shooting nights and everyone else picking up the slack. We couldn't do that last year, it always ended with an L.

If this team can gel and play better defense than many of you will be surprised at the result.

Rotten Apple · Post #1035 » by **Rotten Apple** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:31 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Any talk of an outlier in a 4 game dataset is ridiculous. And if there were any, last night was more of an outlier than the best game he had. Chances are, at this stage of development he's a 17-18 ppg player with decent efficiency, good rim protection, and trouble defending in space.

It's a small sample size for sure but if his shooting gets quoted as a piece of evidence that's he's playing well then I say otherwise.

You have 4 occurrences. 3 result in poor results and the other results in extremely good results. That 4th result will skewe the overall data and manipulate it to counter the 3 poor results. That's why I'm saying he's not be playing well outside the one game vs Memphis he shot the ball very well. Which one is more likely to explain the trend. The 3 poor results or 1 good one.

Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.

You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.

god shammgod · Post #1036 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:33 pm

i'm pretty sure the nba got rid of amare, not melo. i could be wrong i guess.

Rotten Apple · Post #1037 » by **Rotten Apple** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.

You didn't want Phil?

Post #1038 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.

I'm doing fine, thanks.

We're getting close to "Phil failed." He'll probably leave after this year if things continue as they are. As long as he doesn't further **** the cap situation or trade any picks, the franchise (not team) is in a decent place. Especially if Rose stays healthy

I even like Hornacek paired with a GM that will let him do his thing.

I do fear what will follow him. I have no faith in Dolan to go with one of the real guru execs. If it happens though, great.

god shammgod · Post #1039 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:35 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.

nope. not this time. he's had his hand in some pies. but not this peyote platter we're being served right now. professor peace pipe done chefed up this sh*t sandwich all on his own.

RHODEY · Post #1040 » by **RHODEY** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:37 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
You clearly don't believe in Derrick Rose.

yeah. if this is gonna be the offense and defense all year, i think we have a legit shot at a top 5 pick. it really looks that bad. gotta wonder if something happens during the year tho. will dolan emerge and fire someone after a couple of months. it's possible depending on how bad it is. then who knows what happens.

Everything hinges on Rose's health though. One false step and we're back in mediocrity.

Mediocrity would be a step up right now