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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1041 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:39 pm

Ever see a group of girls and there's always the one who one of the homies has to take one for the team for. The Knicks are the take one for the team.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1042 » by NewEra » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:41 pm

iAdoreeKnicks wrote:
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F his feelings, what about our feelings!?


lol did u read what he wrote?


lol nope, but im guessing it's telling us to #StayMe7o


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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1043 » by Sark » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:43 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
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It's a small sample size for sure but if his shooting gets quoted as a piece of evidence that's he's playing well then I say otherwise.

You have 4 occurrences. 3 result in poor results and the other results in extremely good results. That 4th result will skewe the overall data and manipulate it to counter the 3 poor results. That's why I'm saying he's not be playing well outside the one game vs Memphis he shot the ball very well. Which one is more likely to explain the trend. The 3 poor results or 1 good one.


Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.


You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.


It's too little data to determine what the outlier is. He's got 1 horrible game, 1 great game, and 2 mediocre games. Based on that sample size you'd throw out the top and bottom, but again if you do that, then the Knicks are winless.

Honestly that's preferred scenario. Let them be horrible, and get a top 3 pick.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1044 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:47 pm

y'all do realize a lot of why the defense suck is cause of scheme right? Lee already said they are practicing against the Triangle. The minute that stops, the knicks will improve. Yall need to stop thinking we going to be that bad. The teams that do super bad and get top 5 picks are devoid of talent. We are not that.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1045 » by Capn'O » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:48 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
It's a small sample size for sure but if his shooting gets quoted as a piece of evidence that's he's playing well then I say otherwise.

You have 4 occurrences. 3 result in poor results and the other results in extremely good results. That 4th result will skewe the overall data and manipulate it to counter the 3 poor results. That's why I'm saying he's not be playing well outside the one game vs Memphis he shot the ball very well. Which one is more likely to explain the trend. The 3 poor results or 1 good one.


Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.


You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.


Ok.

4
18
21
16

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
4 - the others are pretty tightly bound - last night's game


7-18
7-11
0-4
5-13

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-4 He usually takes more shots and makes some of them - last night's game


.385
.636
.000
.389

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game



3-5
0-0
1-4
2-7

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-0 He usually takes/makes some 3s - last night's game


.600
.25
.000
.286

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game


8
5
7
6

Pretty tight data here. No outlier for rebounds so far.

So, no I haven't run the numbers to figure out where the standard deviations lie. But, at a glance, it's pretty clear that last night's game was the least typical out of the 4 he played.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1046 » by Sark » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:48 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.


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nope. not this time. he's had his hand in some pies. but not this peyote platter we're being served right now. professor peace pipe done chefed up this sh*t sandwich all on his own.


Lettuce be reality hear, Phil was hired to convince Melo to stay, because Dolan wants to keep the ticket price up, and there's no way to justify the prices without a big name like Carmelo.
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Post#1047 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:51 pm

Dolan does NOT need Melo to keep the ticket prices up. These are the Knicks. People will pay that regardless. Dolan is not hurting for bread at all. Melo does not add that much money to the Knicks tickets. Knicks was selling tickets and sellouts WITHOUT stars.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1048 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:52 pm

Sark wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.


You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.


It's too little data to determine what the outlier is. He's got 1 horrible game, 1 great game, and 2 mediocre games. Based on that sample size you'd throw out the top and bottom, but again if you do that, then the Knicks are winless.

Honestly that's preferred scenario. Let them be horrible, and get a top 3 pick.


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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1049 » by Knicks Byke » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:54 pm

i think we all know who to blame for KPs performance.









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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1050 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:55 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.


You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.


Ok.

4
18
21
16

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
4 - the others are pretty tightly bound - last night's game


7-18
7-11
0-4
5-13

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-4 He usually takes more shots and makes some of them - last night's game


.385
.636
.000
.389

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game



3-5
0-0
1-4
2-7

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-0 He usually takes/makes some 3s - last night's game


.600
.25
.000
.286

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game


8
5
7
6

Pretty tight data here. No outlier for rebounds so far.

So, no I haven't run the numbers to figure out where the standard deviations lie. But, at a glance, it's pretty clear that last night's game was the least typical out of the 4 he played.


Listen Professor Capn'O

Sark put it best in that both his best and worst games can be seen as outliers. I'll leave it at that. 1 good game, 2 mediocre and 1 poor. He'll hopefully get better soon.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1051 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:57 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:i think we all know who to blame for KPs performance.









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Post#1052 » by K_ick_God » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:57 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
SMAC-K wrote:
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He shot 84% last year.


He's shooting 70% this year


Towns is at 59% - next.


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Post#1053 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:57 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:i think we all know who to blame for KPs performance.









adidas.


You might be onto something
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1054 » by Mecca » Thu Nov 3, 2016 9:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:gallo's "success" may not be the best example. i'm just saying.



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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1055 » by whocares1 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:01 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Your analysis is all over the place. If you're making a qualitative assertion you shouldn't be throwing around quantitative analysis words like "outlier." I'd need to run the numbers but at a glance I'm fairly positive last night's game was more of a statistical outlier than any other so far by almost any measures. You could probably find one where it wasn't. I don't care. He had a very bad game last night. In any event, the idea of throwing out any data at this point in the season... is nonsensical.


You do know what an outlier is correct?

A poster said he's playing well and posted his stats. I showed that the stats are misleading because one game is skewing his average. He's playing terrible to start the year. Period. It's only nonsense when it comes to KP is the biggest issue. The fan base isn't holding him accountable.


Ok.

4
18
21
16

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
4 - the others are pretty tightly bound - last night's game


7-18
7-11
0-4
5-13

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-4 He usually takes more shots and makes some of them - last night's game


.385
.636
.000
.389

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game



3-5
0-0
1-4
2-7

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
0-0 He usually takes/makes some 3s - last night's game


.600
.25
.000
.286

Which of these is the most unlike the others?
Spoiler:
.000 - last night's game


8
5
7
6

Pretty tight data here. No outlier for rebounds so far.

So, no I haven't run the numbers to figure out where the standard deviations lie. But, at a glance, it's pretty clear that last night's game was the least typical out of the 4 he played.


Nice! Appreciate the effort. KP has still been underwhelming though so hopefully that changes.
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Post#1056 » by Wolfgang630 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:02 pm

I honestly feel like even if this team were to play up to the best they could play they still wouldn't win a championship this year. Then next year Melo is a year older and Noah is a year older. Idk I just love what the Lakers, Wolves and the Celtics have done, even the Sixers with the draft. They're all building young and through the draft.

You build up with a good group of talented young players and let them grow with each other. I wished the Knicks would do that too.
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Post#1057 » by Floozenheimen » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:12 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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god shammgod wrote:by the way, as you fight amongst yourselves, you're not really finding the right person to blame. the guy who was the architect of all of this. i done warned you. you didn't want to listen. now suffer b*tches. suffer.


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nope. not this time. he's had his hand in some pies. but not this peyote platter we're being served right now. professor peace pipe done chefed up this sh*t sandwich all on his own.


Phil F'ed up for sure, but he was handed a team that had no picks, no talent and was forced to build around a coach killing black hole that doesn't play a lick of defense. For as much as Phil may suck, Dolan is without a shadow of a doubt, the biggest disgrace to professional sports I have ever seen.
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Post#1058 » by Side beard » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:13 pm

So this is how Knicks fans act when there are couple of bad games in season start. Blame sophomore for not playing well. Yes, his defense could be better, he could make some open 3s here and there, but both times Knicks lost miserably were to players who single handedly carried their teams in all aspects.

Lebron did what he wanted and involved everyone and Harden did what he wanted and involved everyone. What does Melo and Rose do? One drive to the basket all the time and other tries to "school" Morris twin. That is sad as ****.

KP have said it many many times that team success is first then it's him. He is no **** who wants to mess up team chemistry. While we all want him to be a little one, it might take time and games as such for him to say something to two of the leaders of this team.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#1059 » by Rotten Apple » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:15 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:I honestly feel like even if this team were to play up to the best they could play they still wouldn't win a championship this year. Then next year Melo is a year older and Noah is a year older. Idk I just love what the Lakers, Wolves and the Celtics have done, even the Sixers with the draft. They're all building young and through the draft.

You build up with a good group of talented young players and let them grow with each other. I wished the Knicks would do that too.


This team could be Shumpert, Grant/Hardaway, Early, Porzingis, Willy, Thanasis and Baker right now.

Very good young core
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Post#1060 » by Wolfgang630 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 10:20 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:I honestly feel like even if this team were to play up to the best they could play they still wouldn't win a championship this year. Then next year Melo is a year older and Noah is a year older. Idk I just love what the Lakers, Wolves and the Celtics have done, even the Sixers with the draft. They're all building young and through the draft.

You build up with a good group of talented young players and let them grow with each other. I wished the Knicks would do that too.


This team could be Shumpert, Grant/Hardaway, Early, Porzingis, Willy, Thanasis and Baker right now.

Very good young core


My point was they would've had this mindset years ago and I'm sure things would go different. It's a great way to build a team.

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