Detroit Pistons (3-1) @ Brooklyn Nets (1-3)

[Blkbrd671]

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0:02 Gambles for a steal, easy dunk.

i thought you said

give no effort.

0:16 How is it dramatic the first drive he literally stood there and watch him get all the way to the hoop for a easy lay in.

Dre had his hips wide open forcing Lopez to his left and towards help, Mook vacated when his man vacated and Dre didn't recognize it or Mook didn't alert him. Again against the notion that

and give no effort.

0:22 Morris fouled him and he got a and1.

he foul'd him because he was running Lopez off the 3 point line. My main point is you chastise Dre for his f* up but ignore that much quicker players also got torched.

0:54 Makes a 3.

Dre sits in the paint to protect the rim and leaves a 15% 3 point shooter open. Pretty sure that the defensive game plan at this point.

1:05 Wide ass makes a 3.

Cuts the penetration off and forces the man out of bounds , lin makes a play as soon as Dre recognizes it he jumps out to contest the shot. At this point, your just ignoring the fact that dre in the defensive play leaving his man open . Thats as easily a TO , which you ignore

1:14 Wide open makes 3.

Defensive lapse

1:28 easily fakes and pivots around drummond for a layup.

great play by a allstar

1:35 Pretty much the only difficult make.

amazing its difficult from a guy that gave no effort. You even fail to recognize that in years pass dre couldn't even stay in front of lopez.

1:53 Open 3.

I really don't think you realize how difficult that shot is nor how quick Lopez got it off. 7 footer v cuts and then catches and shoots. I'll say defensive lapse, but i'll also say one hell of a play.

2:02 Dunks on Drummond cause he got lost.

You mean screen'd out by Harris, tried to fight around it, but got exposed. Amazing that its a set offensive play executed by Nets, but you only see "got lost". Mook literally was exposed by this same play all game.

2:24 Easily pivots for fade.
2:47 Leuer actually tries to contest 3 and got dunked on.

Lopez did make junk he got wide open 3's and worked Andre in the post cause he can't defend any big with moderately good foot work.

ya at this point your just reaching to be pissed at Dre and excuse everyone else. Don't know why your intentionally ignoring our defensive scheme or the fact that Dre wasn't just standing around

and give no effort.

as your depicting. Dre in fact played pretty damn good post defense but was exposed on the perimeter and on the PnR. He compounded everything by forcing offensively.

So while you want to argue Lopez got 34 points because Dre just let him have it, i clearly see Lopez worked for most of his points. You want to blame Dre for not recognizing Lopez on the 3, when Lopez ,who took 14 3 point attemtps for ALL OF LAST SEASON, makes 4-8 attempts. and is a career 15% 3 point shooter? You can't live inside a vacuum forever.

Dre's got to do better and he needs to mature and move on to the next play. His effort was there, his head wasn't

[Blkbrd671]

I believe both Lopez brothers "torched" Dre last season...and it's because we give up the mid range jumper

Bit bizarre to blame us for leaving Brook Lopez open for 3 - historically dude isn't exactly Ryan Anderson or Kevin Love

We try to deny points in the paint and 3s - which is what we should do!

Consequences of that is every now and then a big that can actually shoot is gonna scorch us

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i just absolutely hate how it seems to always be slow a* centers like Lopez bro's, Gasol, A Jefferson if he wasn't dead, Val.

[Todd3]

Exactly he can still get offensive rebound him not getting lobs shouldn't make him play like crap and think he is a first option on offense in the post

You think Stan would allow him to keep taking all those post-ups if he wasn't supposed to?

Stan is obviously ok'ing these plays or he'd tell his PG to stop passing to him. And he's doing it to keep him involved, because he knows it's unrealistic to expect him to just pick & roll over and over and never touch the ball. He's commented about it multiple times. Dre's not a robot, and doing little things to keep your players involved and motivated is part of coaching. So I understand what Stan's doing, but it's having the opposite effect and making him less motivated. Which means an adjustment needs to be made, and there's 7-10+ years of proof that Beno is a better halfcourt pnr PG than Ish, so it shouldn't take Stan 10-15 games to make a change like it usually does when there's a problem (ie Monroe/Reggie & Stanley/Bullock).

Just because he gets the ball in the paint doesn't mean he should shoot it 90% of the time. Reggie Jackson has the green light on offense do you think he is gonna take a bunch of crap shots every time he gets the ball? If you can't get good looks pass the freaking ball, Andres got other ways he can get himself going on offense like getting offensive rebound which he hasn't really did this season so far. Not to long ago he averaged 13&13 with just being a garbage man.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. We're both saying he needs less post-ups and more shots in putbacks/pnr. I'm saying playing him with Udrih would facilitate that better. Are you saying you'd rather he play with Ish and keep getting doubled on all his putbacks/pnr instead?

When he avg 13/13 off just garbage points, he wasn't commanding double teams just to stop him from rebounding like he is now. He also had guards like Jennings and Bynum who could draw extra defenders off penetration, creating those putback opportunities. Ish isn't posing any threat so there loading up on Dre instead, and that's why he's not getting more. Udrih is no Reggie, but he'd at least be an upgrade over Ish in that department for the time being.

[Todd3]

I believe both Lopez brothers "torched" Dre last season...and it's because we give up the mid range jumper

Bit bizarre to blame us for leaving Brook Lopez open for 3 - historically dude isn't exactly Ryan Anderson or Kevin Love

We try to deny points in the paint and 3s - which is what we should do!

Consequences of that is every now and then a big that can actually shoot is gonna scorch us

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i just absolutely hate how it seems to always be slow a* centers like Lopez bro's, Gasol, A Jefferson if he wasn't dead, Val.

Those are/were all top Centers who give all teams problems (minus Robin). And Dre has outplayed them just as much or more in other recent meetings. That's just how it goes when top players battle over time.

It'd be different if he was getting outplayed every time, but that's not the case at all. He had 21/18 on 67% FG in his last game vs Brook and won. He avg 19/17 in 4 games vs Pau last year and won 3 of them. Can't win em all though.

[mattao313]

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0:02 Gambles for a steal, easy dunk.

i thought you said

give no effort.

0:16 How is it dramatic the first drive he literally stood there and watch him get all the way to the hoop for a easy lay in.

Dre had his hips wide open forcing Lopez to his left and towards help, Mook vacated when his man vacated and Dre didn't recognize it or Mook didn't alert him. Again against the notion that

and give no effort.

0:22 Morris fouled him and he got a and1.

he foul'd him because he was running Lopez off the 3 point line. My main point is you chastise Dre for his f* up but ignore that much quicker players also got torched.

0:54 Makes a 3.

Dre sits in the paint to protect the rim and leaves a 15% 3 point shooter open. Pretty sure that the defensive game plan at this point.

1:05 Wide ass makes a 3.

Cuts the penetration off and forces the man out of bounds , lin makes a play as soon as Dre recognizes it he jumps out to contest the shot. At this point, your just ignoring the fact that dre in the defensive play leaving his man open . Thats as easily a TO , which you ignore

1:14 Wide open makes 3.

Defensive lapse

1:28 easily fakes and pivots around drummond for a layup.

great play by a allstar

1:35 Pretty much the only difficult make.

amazing its difficult from a guy that gave no effort. You even fail to recognize that in years pass dre couldn't even stay in front of lopez.

1:53 Open 3.

I really don't think you realize how difficult that shot is nor how quick Lopez got it off. 7 footer v cuts and then catches and shoots. I'll say defensive lapse, but i'll also say one hell of a play.

2:02 Dunks on Drummond cause he got lost.

You mean screen'd out by Harris, tried to fight around it, but got exposed. Amazing that its a set offensive play executed by Nets, but you only see "got lost". Mook literally was exposed by this same play all game.

2:24 Easily pivots for fade.
2:47 Leuer actually tries to contest 3 and got dunked on.

Lopez did make junk he got wide open 3's and worked Andre in the post cause he can't defend any big with moderately good foot work.

ya at this point your just reaching to be pissed at Dre and excuse everyone else. Don't know why your intentionally ignoring our defensive scheme or the fact that Dre wasn't just standing around

and give no effort.

as your depicting. Dre in fact played pretty damn good post defense but was exposed on the perimeter and on the PnR. He compounded everything by forcing offensively.

So while you want to argue Lopez got 34 points because Dre just let him have it, i clearly see Lopez worked for most of his points. You want to blame Dre for not recognizing Lopez on the 3, when Lopez ,who took 14 3 point attemtps for ALL OF LAST SEASON, makes 4-8 attempts. and is a career 15% 3 point shooter? You can't live inside a vacuum forever.

Dre's got to do better and he needs to mature and move on to the next play. His effort was there, his head wasn't

What?
So now gambling for steal is giving effort now?WTF Definition of gamble: take risky action in the hope of a desired result.
So letting a guy totally beat you and bumping his hip is good defense got it. Morris needs to alert him of his own man getting the ball?
The guy made 2 3's in a row why keep leaving him wide open?
Harris did not screen him he got lost and then saw him man got the ball.
I'm reaching? Lopez is a jump shooting big giving him a easy fade shot is playing into him game. Excusing Leuer? he got dunked on what else is it to say.

If a guy makes 2 3's in a row you might want to start guarding him. Lopez did not work for anything, wide open 3 and basic post moves is working hard. Drummond was terrible and LACKED effort thats why he got pulled. IDK how the hell you can defend that preformance we just witnessed.

[Pharaoh]

I believe both Lopez brothers "torched" Dre last season...and it's because we give up the mid range jumper

Bit bizarre to blame us for leaving Brook Lopez open for 3 - historically dude isn't exactly Ryan Anderson or Kevin Love

We try to deny points in the paint and 3s - which is what we should do!

Consequences of that is every now and then a big that can actually shoot is gonna scorch us

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i just absolutely hate how it seems to always be slow a* centers like Lopez bro's, Gasol, A Jefferson if he wasn't dead, Val.

Those are/were all top Centers who give all teams problems (minus Robin). And Dre has outplayed them just as much or more in other recent meetings. That's just how it goes when top players battle over time.

It'd be different if he was getting outplayed every time, but that's not the case at all. He had 21/18 on 67% FG in his last game vs Brook and won. He avg 19/17 in 4 games vs Pau last year and won 3 of them. Can't win em all though.

This!

Also all those named compensate for a lack of speed with good fundamentals & sheer knowledge

Those named aren't your typical low post bangers that rely on a couple of basic moves. They can face up, put it on the floor, shoot from 15 & out, pass etc

Skilled bigs are awesome!

As a team we play good D, controlling the paint and denying 3s. We do this because mid range shots are the most inefficient. When we get burnt there's no need to question our D!

You simply take your lumps, realise we should probably have played Jon Boy more against Lopez and move on.

IF we were playing a 7 game series against Brooklyn does anyone honestly believe Jon wouldn't be the go to guy to defend Lopez?

SVG would make that adjustment.

This early in the season you're not gonna change your system and game plan to suit a match up with Brooklyn on the 2nd night of a B2B

It's as much about our guys adjusting to each other in real games as it is about the opposition at this stage.

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[joedumars1]

Like I said I missed the game. Idk wtf is up with Directv, but said we didn't have that channel and the reply said it was blacked it out, but when the game wasn't on FSD it worked. I hope that get's fixed soon

From readin the game thread I was thinking same thing put Leuer on Lopez if he's hitting three's. It reminded me a little of SAC last year with Cousins. SVG waited forever to take Dre off him. I hope Dre learns to pass tho. Sometimes when he shoots you just shake your head because he should've passed it about 2 seconds or sooner before he shot

[El Chivo]

I hope SVG puts Leuer at 5 every time Dre struggles with skilled big men.

[jakebernat]

my biggest problem with dre's defense is that he doesn't really think the game very well. by that i mean, it looks like he's just reacting out there rather than playing instinctively. he gets away with it a lot of times because of his insane physical gifts, but that's also the reason why such highly skilled centers like lopez, cousins, gasol, etc. burn him so much. he's gotten better over the years, but he still has his moments (or games for that matter,) where even my basketball illiterate girlfriend asks me "why does drummond look like he's not even trying out there??"

[BadMofoPimp]

my biggest problem with dre's defense is that he doesn't really think the game very well. by that i mean, it looks like he's just reacting out there rather than playing instinctively. he gets away with it a lot of times because of his insane physical gifts, but that's also the reason why such highly skilled centers like lopez, cousins, gasol, etc. burn him so much. he's gotten better over the years, but he still has his moments (or games for that matter,) where even my basketball illiterate girlfriend asks me "why does drummond look like he's not even trying out there??"

Is that when you ask her,"Did I say that out loud again?"

[Blkbrd671]

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0:02 Gambles for a steal, easy dunk.

i thought you said

give no effort.

0:16 How is it dramatic the first drive he literally stood there and watch him get all the way to the hoop for a easy lay in.

Dre had his hips wide open forcing Lopez to his left and towards help, Mook vacated when his man vacated and Dre didn't recognize it or Mook didn't alert him. Again against the notion that

and give no effort.

0:22 Morris fouled him and he got a and1.

he foul'd him because he was running Lopez off the 3 point line. My main point is you chastise Dre for his f* up but ignore that much quicker players also got torched.

0:54 Makes a 3.

Dre sits in the paint to protect the rim and leaves a 15% 3 point shooter open. Pretty sure that the defensive game plan at this point.

1:05 Wide ass makes a 3.

Cuts the penetration off and forces the man out of bounds , lin makes a play as soon as Dre recognizes it he jumps out to contest the shot. At this point, your just ignoring the fact that dre in the defensive play leaving his man open . Thats as easily a TO , which you ignore

1:14 Wide open makes 3.

Defensive lapse

1:28 easily fakes and pivots around drummond for a layup.

great play by a allstar

1:35 Pretty much the only difficult make.

amazing its difficult from a guy that gave no effort. You even fail to recognize that in years pass dre couldn't even stay in front of lopez.

1:53 Open 3.

I really don't think you realize how difficult that shot is nor how quick Lopez got it off. 7 footer v cuts and then catches and shoots. I'll say defensive lapse, but i'll also say one hell of a play.

2:02 Dunks on Drummond cause he got lost.

You mean screen'd out by Harris, tried to fight around it, but got exposed. Amazing that its a set offensive play executed by Nets, but you only see "got lost". Mook literally was exposed by this same play all game.

2:24 Easily pivots for fade.
2:47 Leuer actually tries to contest 3 and got dunked on.

Lopez did make junk he got wide open 3's and worked Andre in the post cause he can't defend any big with moderately good foot work.

ya at this point your just reaching to be pissed at Dre and excuse everyone else. Don't know why your intentionally ignoring our defensive scheme or the fact that Dre wasn't just standing around

and give no effort.

as your depicting. Dre in fact played pretty damn good post defense but was exposed on the perimeter and on the PnR. He compounded everything by forcing offensively.

So while you want to argue Lopez got 34 points because Dre just let him have it, i clearly see Lopez worked for most of his points. You want to blame Dre for not recognizing Lopez on the 3, when Lopez ,who took 14 3 point attemtps for ALL OF LAST SEASON, makes 4-8 attempts. and is a career 15% 3 point shooter? You can't live inside a vacuum forever.

Dre's got to do better and he needs to mature and move on to the next play. His effort was there, his head wasn't

What?
So now gambling for steal is giving effort now?WTF Definition of gamble: take risky action in the hope of a desired result.
So letting a guy totally beat you and bumping his hip is good defense got it. Morris needs to alert him of his own man getting the ball?
The guy made 2 3's in a row why keep leaving him wide open?
Harris did not screen him he got lost and then saw him man got the ball.
I'm reaching? Lopez is a jump shooting big giving him a easy fade shot is playing into him game. Excusing Leuer? he got dunked on what else is it to say.

If a guy makes 2 3's in a row you might want to start guarding him. Lopez did not work for anything, wide open 3 and basic post moves is working hard. Drummond was terrible and LACKED effort thats why he got pulled. IDK how the hell you can defend that preformance we just witnessed.

agree to disagree, i can't ignore obvious effort or refuse to recognize another teams offensive set , just to prove a point.

[whitehops]

i thought you said

give no effort.

i mean, it was pretty apparent and SVG agreed:

"We gave him the first half and the first seven minutes in the second half, and he was just, in my opinion, bringing absolutely no energy to the game"

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i've seen young players have their immature moments but i've never seen a player have repeated occasions where they blatantly mail in games.

[Blkbrd671]

i thought you said

give no effort.

i mean, it was pretty apparent and SVG agreed:

"We gave him the first half and the first seven minutes in the second half, and he was just, in my opinion, bringing absolutely no energy to the game"

Watch on YouTube

i've seen young players have their immature moments but i've never seen a player have repeated occasions where they blatantly mail in games.

Energy does not = effort

My simple point is that you guys are overblowing Brooks 34 point effort, especially when you go back to film. The effort was there the mental aspect of the game was still in Detroit. wasn't like dre wasn't even trying , its everything he tried, he was exposed, blocked, or yelled at by coach. Sh* compounded and Dre checked out. Its all about Maturity