Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

I cant believe you guys are still going on about this.

JUST EMBRACE THE TANK!!!!!!

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[Stannis]

40 threes... that's some classic Mike D'Antoni basketball.

[K_ick_God]

the Lakers talent base doesn't suck, they have a very nice young core

I pretty much see nothing there to go nuts about.

Russell is kind of like this board's new Rubio and Dragic, two guys who were (for reasons I don't think I could ever figure out) beloved on this board as if they were magical. I saw none of that in either of them, and I think I was right.

I see Russ as a somewhat less athletic, more efficient and probably better passing Beal. He's nothing to salivate about. It's just still the luster left on him after the college/draft hype. I think you can sign guys, granted at considerable cash, as good as Beal or Russell when they hit their prime. They're not that rare.

Not the same as a really good all-around center.

[MartinsLusis]

Yeah he's at 14 on 41% now and it's skewed because of the 7/11 game.

Outside of that game he's averaging 12 on 34% shooting

That's atrocious

Yes. Or maybe last night's game skewed it? Way to go with selective stats after only 4 games. You basically ignored 25% of the games. You and Greenie really should do less trolling.

Let's just stay with 14 on 41%. That includes one really game and one uncharacteristically bad game. And also maybe let's wait until at least 20 games have been played before arriving to any conclusions on development and stats? KP is stronger, faster and also has a much quicker release and better handles this year. Also better driving to the rim and not having the ball stripped as often.

But yeah, he's trash, he's soft and you and Greenie are real basketball gurus.

P.S. I'm not saying that his defense is good right now. Of course not. But he will adjust as he's done until now. He will work on it and also he looked good when he was playing 5. People who say that he will be destroyed when playing as a 5 don't remember him shutting down Boogie last year while playing center.

Jeez. Let me help you understand my angle. You can insert any player into your rant and it will apply. But it's always Melo. Last time I checked this was a team game. We can go up and down this roster and point out sh*tty performances from everyone.

Get it?

It was Melo, because he used Melo's numbers. So I used them too. That's the only reason. This exact post wasn't meant as a Melo bashing. I enjoyed Melo last year to be honest. But this year he's playing more hero ball and less team ball which is the only thing I'm mad at him for. KP doesn't yet have enough experience to be great, but Melo does. He has even shown that he can deliver great passes in large amounts, but he just chooses to go for long jumpers instead of more actively looking to make other players better. I'm not talking just about KP. Lee and others also should get more shots, especially if Melo finds them in good spots.

[WesleyExChiFan]

the Lakers talent base doesn't suck, they have a very nice young core

I dont know man. I think its going to be a while for the lakers to be relevant again.

By the time their core (Ingram/Russell/Randle) are up for extensions they'll be pretty good

[blueNorange]

from marbury to isiah to crawful to curry to melo

there's always a crappy popular figure that always separates this forum.

All solid as fuq before they got here.
What gives?

all acquired after their teams were ready to move on

[blueNorange]

Any talk of an outlier in a 4 game dataset is ridiculous. And if there were any, last night was more of an outlier than the best game he had. Chances are, at this stage of development he's a 17-18 ppg player with decent efficiency, good rim protection, and trouble defending in space.

but melo is getting trashed, and there's no where else to point the finger other than the guy who the team should be building the team around.

The way KP us playing he doesn't need to be built around. He needs to be traded.

[sims]

the Lakers talent base doesn't suck, they have a very nice young core

I pretty much see nothing there to go nuts about.

Russell is kind of like this board's new Rubio and Dragic, two guys who were (for reasons I don't think I could ever figure out) beloved on this board as if they were magical. I saw none of that in either of them, and I think I was right.

I see Russ as a somewhat less athletic, more efficient and probably better passing Beal. He's nothing to salivate about. It's just still the luster left on him after the college/draft hype. I think you can sign guys, granted at considerable cash, as good as Beal or Russell when they hit their prime. They're not that rare.

Not the same as a really good all-around center.

d'angelo is legit. he's just not quite what most expected him to be. he was billed as the prototypical guard for running a spread offense in the modern nba - his court vision was his best attribute by far. i don't think many saw him being this score-first, half court guard playing an old man game in the mid-post. it seems to be working though.

but as far as the lakers go it's all about ingram. i'm super bullish on his career - such a smooth, natural scorer.

[blueNorange]

All solid as fuq before they got here.
What gives?

None of those people were solid besides Marbury and Melo.

And both those players remained essentially the same here in NY. Nothing changed, for better or worse. Mostly worse.

Curry was solid in Chicago. There's a reason we wanted him.

Melo got here at 26. We didn't do sh*t except fuq up building around him.

isiah wanted curry because he thought he was a hidden gem like jermaine o'neal except curry didn't have the same motor.

melo wanted money so instead of waiting to hit free agency where he could've played with amare, chandler, gallinari, and mosgov he made the knicks trade a crap load that depleted their roster and mortgage their future. it took them until last offseason to recover.

[Rotten Apple]

None of those people were solid besides Marbury and Melo.

And both those players remained essentially the same here in NY. Nothing changed, for better or worse. Mostly worse.

Curry was solid in Chicago. There's a reason we wanted him.

Melo got here at 26. We didn't do sh*t except fuq up building around him.

isiah wanted curry because he thought he was a hidden gem like jermaine o'neal except curry didn't have the same motor.

melo wanted money so instead of waiting to hit free agency where he could've played with amare, chandler, gallinari, and mosgov he made the knicks trade a crap load that depleted their roster and mortgage their future. it took them until last offseason to recover.

Always comes back to that trade

Chandler would have to be renounced
Mozgov sucked then and sucks now, he was even getting minutes
Gallo-STAT are injury prone
Felton was fat the next year
Fields fell off a cliff when he changed his shooting form

The Knicks didn't have a plan period. We never do. Phil didn't even have a plan

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

None of those people were solid besides Marbury and Melo.

And both those players remained essentially the same here in NY. Nothing changed, for better or worse. Mostly worse.

Curry was solid in Chicago. There's a reason we wanted him.

Melo got here at 26. We didn't do sh*t except fuq up building around him.

isiah wanted curry because he thought he was a hidden gem like jermaine o'neal except curry didn't have the same motor.

melo wanted money so instead of waiting to hit free agency where he could've played with amare, chandler, gallinari, and mosgov he made the knicks trade a crap load that depleted their roster and mortgage their future. it took them until last offseason to recover.

The biggest problem with both the Marbury and Curry trades was how much we gave up for them, both in 1st round picks and cap space, which prevented us from improving the team any further, or undoing any mistakes. We traded multiple picks and put our team in cap hell for Marbs, who although very talented, had already shown some red flags. Curry could have been a solid contributor, but there was previous evidence of him being lazy and unmotivated, and yet we again gave up multiple picks and signed him to a horrible long-term deal. Craw was an ok player, who was put in a bad situation and also overpaid for the time.

We can argue about whether or not we gave up fair value for Melo (I thought we overpaid at the time, though have softened on that a little), but Amare breaking down, and our subsequent mishandling of the amnesty, was probably the bigger problem.

[delvec19]

The worst thing about this team's future right now is Noah's contract. One of very few bad moves made by Phil that could hinder us down the road. He's going to get hurt (it's inevitable) and is already getting up there in age. Lee's I'm on the fence about, and Lance is overpayed but won't look that bad with CBA spiking every year.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

The worst thing about this team's future right now is Noah's contract. One of very few bad moves made by Phil that could hinder us down the road. He's going to get hurt (it's inevitable) and is already getting up there in age. Lee's I'm on the fence about, and Lance is overpayed but won't look that bad with CBA spiking every year.

Lance's contract could end up just being dead money...kind of like how Calderon's contract wasn't that bad with the rising cap but we couldn't wait to get rid of it or have it expire

[Carl_Karlson]

If we're tanking, we have to get rid of LFT and Noah's deals. Next to impossible, I know, but it still has to be looked into.

This might be early, but Horny is already on the hot seat. The players don't respect him

[boomann21]

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[JohnStarksTheDunk]

The worst thing about this team's future right now is Noah's contract. One of very few bad moves made by Phil that could hinder us down the road. He's going to get hurt (it's inevitable) and is already getting up there in age. Lee's I'm on the fence about, and Lance is overpayed but won't look that bad with CBA spiking every year.

Yup. I love Noah, but was upset with the years we gave him. Even after this season, we'll have 3 more years of paying him $17-19 million per year, which even under the new salary cap will be almost 20% of the cap. If he's not untradeable now, he certainly will be soon, when he isn't able to play at all.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Hopefully the next CBA has unlimited amnesty's

[ORANGEandBLUE]

You really cannot compare the Knicks and Lakers. We have Dolan and Mills. They do not. On that alone, they win.

[LG733]

You really cannot compare the Knicks and Lakers. We have Dolan and Mills. They do not. On that alone, they win.

They have a dumbass to deal with too. Jim Buss.

[blueNorange]

Curry was solid in Chicago. There's a reason we wanted him.

Melo got here at 26. We didn't do sh*t except fuq up building around him.

isiah wanted curry because he thought he was a hidden gem like jermaine o'neal except curry didn't have the same motor.

melo wanted money so instead of waiting to hit free agency where he could've played with amare, chandler, gallinari, and mosgov he made the knicks trade a crap load that depleted their roster and mortgage their future. it took them until last offseason to recover.

Always comes back to that trade

Chandler would have to be renounced
Mozgov sucked then and sucks now, he was even getting minutes
Gallo-STAT are injury prone
Felton was fat the next year
Fields fell off a cliff when he changed his shooting form

The Knicks didn't have a plan period. We never do. Phil didn't even have a plan

when the trade happened gallinari and chandler were balling, mosgov was the answer at center, and amar'e wasn't dead.

melo fans love altering the universe to make him not the culprit in all of this madness.