Battle of the Broken Hearted | Sacramento Kings (2-3) @ Orlando Magic(1-3) 11/03

[Bergmaniac]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/magic-hold-off-kings-in-return-home/2016/11/03/b081f046-a22f-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html

Vogel put Nikola Vucevic on Cousins to limit his effectiveness in the paint. Cousins finished with 33 points but only managed eight in the critical fourth quarter once Vucevic was switched on him.

33/4 = 8.25.

Uhhhh...

4 of Cousins 4th quarter points (out of 8 total) were with Biyombo guarding him. Vucevic guarded him in the last 6:30 and Cousins scored 4 points in that period.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I repeatedly said this during draft scouting. This guy is going to lose the ball or have it stolen on every other possession. I'm sad to be so right.

ya and for some reason we keep putting him in situations where he has to dribble. I would put him on a three dribble minimum for the time being.

With that said, after the 4 guys picked ahead of him I still liked Mario as much as anyone in that class. You could see the potential to take it to another level through is athleticism, shooting and self confidence.

He has bee humbled a bit since coming to the NBA but I still have hope for him.

I think Mario thought he'd be starting by now. I sense a complaint coming at the very least, soon followed by a trade request. In retrospect, WCS is also having a poor sophomore campaign thus far. A lot of guys hit a wall. Maybe that's what it is.

[Orlwillbeback]

With that said, after the 4 guys picked ahead of him I still liked Mario as much as anyone in that class. You could see the potential to take it to another level through is athleticism, shooting and self confidence.

He has bee humbled a bit since coming to the NBA but I still have hope for him.

I agree I felt the same way. But I am not paid a huge salary to run a basketball team, I am just a Joe Schmo.

The guy in charge should know more than us lol

[MagicFan101]

Why are we debating the ability of our offensive big man to lock down one of the most dominant players in the league?

Vuc can't stop Cousins... and that is okay. End of discussion.

[Blue_and_Whte]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/magic-hold-off-kings-in-return-home/2016/11/03/b081f046-a22f-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html

33/4 = 8.25.

Uhhhh...

4 of Cousins 4th quarter points (out of 8 total) were with Biyombo guarding him. Vucevic guarded him in the last 6:30 and Cousins scored 4 points in that period.

Right, and committed 3 fouls in the 4th, two on Cousins. Our offense sort of stagnated so they brought Ibaka in for Biyombo and the floor immediately opened up. Fournier attacked as did Gordon. Nik defended Cousins well so there was no drop off there. I didn't right the article. Just posted it.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Why are we debating the ability of our offensive big man to lock down one of the most dominant players in the league?

Vuc can't stop Cousins... and that is okay. End of discussion.

Nobody can stop Cousins, But Nik defended him very well in the 4th and that's all the article is pointing out. Nobody here made a general statement proclaiming him to be a Cousins stopper.

[UCFJayBird]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/magic-hold-off-kings-in-return-home/2016/11/03/b081f046-a22f-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html

33/4 = 8.25.

Uhhhh...

are you saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter?
1st: 14 pts
2nd: 0 pts
3rd: 11 pts
4th: 8 pts
14+11+8 = 33 pts

Yes. I'm saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter. That is statistically accurate, lol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/magic-hold-off-kings-in-return-home/2016/11/03/b081f046-a22f-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html

33/4 = 8.25.

Uhhhh...

4 of Cousins 4th quarter points (out of 8 total) were with Biyombo guarding him. Vucevic guarded him in the last 6:30 and Cousins scored 4 points in that period.

I was just making a joke that the Washington Post's statement was vague and not specific enough. Vooch averaged 8 ppq, he scored 8 in the 4th, and the Post is making an argument that Vooch kept him in check in the 4th because he only scored 8 points, which is what he averaged per quarter over the game. It's just a weak argument.

Had they said Vucevic guarded him for 6 minutes and held him to 4 points, that's a better argument. Or if they had shown his touches went down, or that he missed more shots than the rest of the game, or he passed the ball more, etc. Those would make a better argument. Saying "he scored 8 points in the quarter" as if that's a bad number is laughable, so I laughed.

I didn't get to watch the game, so I honestly have no idea how Vooch did. Just thought the line from the Post was weak.

[PennytoShaq]

Have to have patience with players. If Coaches and GM's react as fast we fans did, players would be shells of themselves.

When we traded Harkless, nobody cared. Seriously. A few people said, "is that all we could get?", but it was mostly crickets.

When we let Dedmon go- same thing.

Now people are complaining that we should not have traded Harkless and should have resigned Dedmon.

Same thing will happen with Mario if we trade him.

Patience. It will probably take months with Mario, so settle in.

havent seen anyone say that

Oh I have read that for sure. People lamenting at Rob letting Harkless and Dedmon go has happened multiple times in the past two weeks.

[Blue_and_Whte]

33/4 = 8.25.

Uhhhh...

are you saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter?
1st: 14 pts
2nd: 0 pts
3rd: 11 pts
4th: 8 pts
14+11+8 = 33 pts

Yes. I'm saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter. That is statistically accurate, lol. ]

Yes.....I know its statistically accurate. I didn't write the article, and understand that it was poorly written, but I wonder if people would've gone as granular as you did had they said Biyombo held Cousins to 8 4th quarter points instead of Nik. Doubtful.

[MagicFan101]

Have to have patience with players. If Coaches and GM's react as fast we fans did, players would be shells of themselves.

When we traded Harkless, nobody cared. Seriously. A few people said, "is that all we could get?", but it was mostly crickets.

When we let Dedmon go- same thing.

Now people are complaining that we should not have traded Harkless and should have resigned Dedmon.

Same thing will happen with Mario if we trade him.

Patience. It will probably take months with Mario, so settle in.

havent seen anyone say that

Oh I have read that for sure. People lamenting at Rob letting Harkless and Dedmon go has happened multiple times in the past two weeks.

I haven't see much of the Harkless love but after I was celebrating the Biz signing, now have friends pushing the idea on me that resigning Dedmom for cheap would have been a better move. I don't know. I still really like Biz.

[Optimus_Steel]

Dedmon is a nice player but there is no way he has the defensive awareness/instincts and relentness energy that Biyombo has.

[PennytoShaq]

are you saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter?
1st: 14 pts
2nd: 0 pts
3rd: 11 pts
4th: 8 pts
14+11+8 = 33 pts

Yes. I'm saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter. That is statistically accurate, lol. ]

Yes.....I know its statistically accurate. I didn't write the article, and understand that it was poorly written, but I wonder if people would've gone as granular as you did had they said Biyombo held Cousins to 8 4th quarter points instead of Nik. Doubtful.

Well you have to consider context. For 3.5 quarters, Vogel put Ibaka and Biz on Cousins 1 on 1. While he got his, they wore him down. By the 4th quarter he was grinded down.

My view is that Vogel used all 3 guys on Cousins perfectly. It was honestly the best coaching I have seen since we had SVG here. We never doubled Cousins like Skiles would have done all game. As a result we conceded points but he couldn't win the Kings the game.

Really happy with all 3 guys. Vuc had a bad night on offense, but he still played solid D on Kofus and then Cousins.

[NickAnderson]

If we play like this. I definitely could see us squeezing into the playoffs


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[OrlDave]

Yes. I'm saying he scored 8.25 points per quarter. That is statistically accurate, lol. ]

Yes.....I know its statistically accurate. I didn't write the article, and understand that it was poorly written, but I wonder if people would've gone as granular as you did had they said Biyombo held Cousins to 8 4th quarter points instead of Nik. Doubtful.

Well you have to consider context. For 3.5 quarters, Vogel put Ibaka and Biz on Cousins 1 on 1. While he got his, they wore him down. By the 4th quarter he was grinded down.

My view is that Vogel used all 3 guys on Cousins perfectly. It was honestly the best coaching I have seen since we had SVG here. We never doubled Cousins like Skiles would have done all game. As a result we conceded points but he couldn't win the Kings the game.

Really happy with all 3 guys. Vuc had a bad night on offense, but he still played solid D on Kofus and then Cousins.

I suppose. But Nik is actually a pretty decent 1v1 defender. He doesn't have the lateral movement to be a good paint defender, but he's tall and fairly long. His wingspawn is 7'4.5" giving him the highest standing reach (9'4.5"... just shy of DC's 9'5") on the team so he really doesn't have to even jump against DC. He can just hold his ground and put his hands up.

[PennytoShaq]

Yes.....I know its statistically accurate. I didn't write the article, and understand that it was poorly written, but I wonder if people would've gone as granular as you did had they said Biyombo held Cousins to 8 4th quarter points instead of Nik. Doubtful.

Well you have to consider context. For 3.5 quarters, Vogel put Ibaka and Biz on Cousins 1 on 1. While he got his, they wore him down. By the 4th quarter he was grinded down.

My view is that Vogel used all 3 guys on Cousins perfectly. It was honestly the best coaching I have seen since we had SVG here. We never doubled Cousins like Skiles would have done all game. As a result we conceded points but he couldn't win the Kings the game.

Really happy with all 3 guys. Vuc had a bad night on offense, but he still played solid D on Kofus and then Cousins.

I suppose. But Nik is actually a pretty decent 1v1 defender. He doesn't have the lateral movement to be a good paint defender, but he's tall and fairly long. His wingspawn is 7'4.5" giving him the highest standing reach (9'4.5"... just shy of DC's 9'5") on the team so he really doesn't have to even jump against DC. He can just hold his ground and put his hands up.

He can't defend Cousins for a whole game. If he could, Vogel would have made that switch earlier.

Vogel honestly deserves the credit for this more than anybody. He threw 3 guys at Cousins all through different times in the game. Biz came in when Cousins first sat, so Cousins couldn't really get used to him until the second half. Biz also had a ton of energy and while he got took some times, he also made Cuz work hard to get paint position.

By the time the 4th Q rolled around. Cousins had been working his tail off against two relatively fresh guys who happen to be high level paint defenders in the NBA.

Perfect time to throw Vuc on him and make him figure out another guy's game. By then, he was worn down a bit and Vuc was not. It was really well done by Vogel and personally I am happy to be able to see sophisticated NBA schemes from the Magic for the first time since SVG.