Sure could use Evan Turner right about now

[Drax]

No, all of them came around, not some. Just read the ET get out of town thread if you need proof. ET was easily the fan favorite all of last year with people constantly praising his on and off court actions..

For the record, I've always been complaining about Evan Turner. His inconsistency, and ball-dominant play style weren't my favorite. He can't play off ball, and so imho he was fools gold. You had to play the unit a specific way just to support his weaknesses. I mean, he wasn't TERRIBLE, but I felt he was overrated, myself.

To be fair, I said 90% initially. I think you read this board enough to back me up on the notion that this place became an ET love fest last year.

You're absolutly right with the 90%, i was one of the few who constantly argued against Turner and it felt exhausting at times with almost zero back up. But it's so amusing that this thread opens exactly the same time i opened the 'get Evan Turner out of town' thread two years ago, after 4 games played. I'm so glad i don't have to push that thread anymore.

[DarkAzcura]

No one else said they wanted Thomas coming off the bench? Come on. 90% of the people here were praising Turner last year? Not sure what kind of surveys you have been doing. Turner wasn't liked by a lot of people on this board. Some of those people came around last year.

No, all of them came around, not some. Just read the ET get out of town thread if you need proof.

Not one single person said they wanted IT coming off the bench last year. They all said what I said above. They are two very different things.

I 100% still prefer IT as a 6th man because I don't think we can contend with him in a primary role.

Win 55 games and maybe make the 2nd round as our ceiling? Yay, IT.

But as a "star", he's fool's gold for winning a title.

Still don't get that, but we will never know probably honestly unfortunately. If Durant came to the Celtics with Horford, we would finally have closure to the discussoon about whether IT can start on a real contender or not and be one of the main contributors. Unless a trade for a superstar occurs this year or in the offseason, we will never know who is 'right' I guess. I'm still unsure how anyone can still doubt whether he can start and be a top 3 option on a contender, but opinions! Heh

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

For Sullinger and Turner, are they not Ohio State people having a laugh at each other, Turner isn't helping Portland right now and Sullinger isn't helping purple dinosaur team right now.

Turner was very good, for Boston, at a mid-level exception type of money. With his new Mozgov-money level of pay, not good.

He really should star with Portland, especially if he was on the court with Lillard, CJ, Leonard and Plumlee, but Turner may need more time for his team to figure out what he does. Portland went from paying among the least, maybe the 76ers were the only one paying less, and maybe next year Portland will be paying the most with no real wins to show for it.

Celtics got Al Horford with free agent money, and still have money for a similar player. Portland got Golden State's backup center, the Celtics guy who had a bench role, they paid their own players, now nothing to look forward to.

Turner being around may mean a different draft pick for Ainge, just say Turner had two more years at small NBA money, maybe J Brown would not have been the pick. But he is, and now he starts with Crowder injured and Turner on the Portland bench behind Jake Layman.

[Red2]

F in Amir .

[BRUNiNHO91]

Nah...i don't really get the Turner nostalgia. I liked the guy but we are better without him. Minutes to Smart, Brown and Rozier are better for us.

Better in the sense that we get to develop the youngins who actually matter and count towards our future? Yeah, absolutely. Better as a basketball team looking for wins today? Helll no. Rozier has had a 'mehh' season so far and Brown gets 8 minutes in a game where our starting SF goes down. Neither guy is ready for prime time just yet. Gerald has also been mediocre as **** and he was Evan Turner replacement number 3. Evan Turner is much, much better than all these guys right now and it's not even close imo. For a team looking to win now and facing many injuries with unproven guys at the back up positions idk how people don't realize how massive a blow losing him in FA has been so far.

We aren't winning anything this year. Why does any of this matter?

I'm very critical of Roz and obviously it's Brown's rookie season but development is much more important as you say.

Paying Evan would have been asinine. Wish him the best in PDX I guess, but this thread is unnecessary to say the least.

I can make a thread about how prime Bird would help us but it wouldn't matter.

It's a basketball forum..people talk about what if's and what could have been's and all types of crazy ****. It doesn't exactly have to matter or be necessary. I'm sure the OP was just throwing out what many of us have thought of during certain parts of these games. Evan was such a massive part of our squad for the last 2 years i don't see anything wrong with talking about certain areas in which we could use him now.

BTW, never said I wanted to pay Evan the money he got. Just saying, contract aside, his production off the bench for this team would be highly welcome. Obviously though when we factor in financial stuff and roster building, future etc.. the fit just wasn't there anymore and we knew this months before the season ended. Nbd really.

[Tiny ball]

Better in the sense that we get to develop the youngins who actually matter and count towards our future? Yeah, absolutely. Better as a basketball team looking for wins today? Helll no. Rozier has had a 'mehh' season so far and Brown gets 8 minutes in a game where our starting SF goes down. Neither guy is ready for prime time just yet. Gerald has also been mediocre as **** and he was Evan Turner replacement number 3. Evan Turner is much, much better than all these guys right now and it's not even close imo. For a team looking to win now and facing many injuries with unproven guys at the back up positions idk how people don't realize how massive a blow losing him in FA has been so far.

We aren't winning anything this year. Why does any of this matter?

I'm very critical of Roz and obviously it's Brown's rookie season but development is much more important as you say.

Paying Evan would have been asinine. Wish him the best in PDX I guess, but this thread is unnecessary to say the least.

I can make a thread about how prime Bird would help us but it wouldn't matter.

It's a basketball forum..people talk about what if's and what could have been's and all types of crazy ****. It doesn't exactly have to matter or be necessary. I'm sure the OP was just throwing out what many of us have thought of during certain parts of these games. Evan was such a massive part of our squad for the last 2 years i don't see anything wrong with talking about certain areas in which we could use him now.

BTW, never said I wanted to pay Evan the money he got. Just saying, contract aside, his production off the bench for this team would be highly welcome. Obviously though when we factor in financial stuff and roster building, future etc.. the fit just wasn't there anymore and we knew this months before the season ended. Nbd really.

Jaylen Brown sure did look good tonight.

[SMTBSI]

For the record, I've always been complaining about Evan Turner. His inconsistency, and ball-dominant play style weren't my favorite. He can't play off ball, and so imho he was fools gold. You had to play the unit a specific way just to support his weaknesses. I mean, he wasn't TERRIBLE, but I felt he was overrated, myself.

To be fair, I said 90% initially. I think you read this board enough to back me up on the notion that this place became an ET love fest last year.

You're absolutly right with the 90%, i was one of the few who constantly argued against Turner and it felt exhausting at times with almost zero back up. But it's so amusing that this thread opens exactly the same time i opened the 'get Evan Turner out of town' thread two years ago, after 4 games played. I'm so glad i don't have to push that thread anymore.

I was with you on ET.

Happy for him to have resuscitated his career, but nobody ever convinced me he was as important to this team as everyone was saying.

Felt like I was the crazy one sometimes (a lot of the time) for not seeing something everyone else was seeing. Eventually just decided to keep my thoughts to myself, and support him as long as he was a Celtic.

But yeah, never believed for a moment losing him was going to hurt us all that much this year. (My eyelid still twitches anytime someone tries to argue that losing Sully+ET outweighs adding Horford.)

[winsomme2]

Nah...i don't really get the Turner nostalgia. I liked the guy but we are better without him. Minutes to Smart, Brown and Rozier are better for us.

Turner is a better passer and rebounder than all the players you mentioned.

He's a 28 year old role player. Happy for him, but what is this thread even about?

Anyone who would have paid him that money is tripping.

I don't think anybody is arguing that we should have paid that money for ET but rather observing that we definitely are missing him right now.

The hope is that Brown and Rozier will step up, but they both are still very raw. Plus, our ball-handling is atrocious. I'm hopeful that the second unit will stabilize and develop as the season goes along, but right now I don't think that there is any question that we could use ET and would be better for it....Like the title of the thread suggests.

[Green89]

Evan Turner: 8.6PPG, 2.6APG, 5RPG, .462 FG%, .400 3PT%, .515 TS%, 10.92 PER
Jaylen Brown: 9.2PPG, .8APG, 2.2RPG, .528 FG%, .444 3PT%, .595 TS%, 16.92 PER

I think we'll be fine.

[winsomme2]

Evan Turner: 8.6PPG, 2.6APG, 5RPG, .462 FG%, .400 3PT%, .515 TS%, 10.92 PER
Jaylen Brown: 9.2PPG, .8APG, 2.2RPG, .528 FG%, .444 3PT%, .595 TS%, 16.92 PER

I think we'll be fine.

Maybe.

But the reality was that ET was an anchor on our second unit, and right now Brown is not. He is a young player learning the game. Rozier is the same. As a result, the second unit has been unstable. When the second unit comes in, it's a bit of a crapshoot right now. There have been flashes, but overall it can't be relied upon...yet.

[Green89]

Evan Turner: 8.6PPG, 2.6APG, 5RPG, .462 FG%, .400 3PT%, .515 TS%, 10.92 PER
Jaylen Brown: 9.2PPG, .8APG, 2.2RPG, .528 FG%, .444 3PT%, .595 TS%, 16.92 PER

I think we'll be fine.

Maybe.

But the reality was that ET was an anchor on our second unit, and right now Brown is not. He is a young player learning the game. Rozier is the same. As a result, the second unit has been unstable. When the second unit comes in, it's a bit of a crapshoot right now. There have been flashes, but overall it can't be relied upon...yet.

Crowder will help solidify the 2nd unit's identity, once he comes back from injury and realizes Brown has stolen his starting spot.

[ConstableGeneva]

Second unit has been scoring 1.078 points per possession in 5 games, a top 10 offense among benches. The problem is they're bleeding points on the other end.

The team has scored 1.115 points per possession with Rozier-Brown tandem in their 57 minutes on the floor together. Smart-Turner last season: 1.055 PPP in 1103 minutes.

With such a small sample, these numbers are still erratic and noisy. But offense has seemingly been fine. Defense, not so much.

[jrob23]

I know he priced himself out of the market for the C's but we sure could use his rebounding and playmaking. He had 10 boards last night for Portland. What's the deal with Gerald Green not getting any minutes? Maybe that will change with Crowder going down but it signing green and not playing him makes no sense. we could have kept hunter who is significantly younger and cheaper and will probably turn out to be a productive nba player for the next 10 years.

Could we use him? Absolutely. I'd take him over several of our bench scrubs. Green is just a bad defender. It's hard to trust him. He's also a black hole on offense. I'm sure he's got the green light because he certainly jacks them up (with some effectiveness) as soon as he comes in. I hope Green can be coached up but I'm afraid his bad habits are too much for even Stevens to fix. I'm almost positive Danny will make a somewhat blockbuster trade to improve our bench. I'd prefer to keep all the #1 picks but I'm growing increasingly scared about what he'll do to try and close the gap between CLE and them. Before the season I thought our 1st unit could keep us in games and close but that our 2nd unit with Smart, Rozier, Brown, KO, and Zeller was among the better ones in the league and could put them over the top. Unfortunately we've had some 3rd stringers playing as 2nd unit guys due to injuries. I still think we could possibly get into the Conference Finals.

[Froob]

For the record, I've always been complaining about Evan Turner. His inconsistency, and ball-dominant play style weren't my favorite. He can't play off ball, and so imho he was fools gold. You had to play the unit a specific way just to support his weaknesses. I mean, he wasn't TERRIBLE, but I felt he was overrated, myself.

To be fair, I said 90% initially. I think you read this board enough to back me up on the notion that this place became an ET love fest last year.

You're absolutly right with the 90%, i was one of the few who constantly argued against Turner and it felt exhausting at times with almost zero back up. But it's so amusing that this thread opens exactly the same time i opened the 'get Evan Turner out of town' thread two years ago, after 4 games played. I'm so glad i don't have to push that thread anymore.

I don't understand why you hate ET but, love KO. ET at least came up big at the end of a bunch of games.

[Curmudgeon]

I wouldn't mind having ET back-- but not for anything close to the money that Portland paid him.

[MaxwellSmart]

Nah....we don't need him....we're 3-2....with BOTH losses coming on the road/2nd night of Back to Backs....Getting ZERO calls from the refs-with Half our Starters out practically...We're FINE...just need to smooth things out and start Boxing out-!

[Drax]

Spoiler:

To be fair, I said 90% initially. I think you read this board enough to back me up on the notion that this place became an ET love fest last year.

You're absolutly right with the 90%, i was one of the few who constantly argued against Turner and it felt exhausting at times with almost zero back up. But it's so amusing that this thread opens exactly the same time i opened the 'get Evan Turner out of town' thread two years ago, after 4 games played. I'm so glad i don't have to push that thread anymore.

I don't understand why you hate ET but, love KO. ET at least came up big at the end of a bunch of games.

First of all i don't love Kelly Olynyk, but i think often he is unfairly criticized on this board, that's a difference. But what does Evan Turner have to do with Olynyk?

[Froob]

Spoiler:

You're absolutly right with the 90%, i was one of the few who constantly argued against Turner and it felt exhausting at times with almost zero back up. But it's so amusing that this thread opens exactly the same time i opened the 'get Evan Turner out of town' thread two years ago, after 4 games played. I'm so glad i don't have to push that thread anymore.

I don't understand why you hate ET but, love KO. ET at least came up big at the end of a bunch of games.

First of all i don't love Kelly Olynyk, but i think often he is unfairly criticized on this board, that's a difference. But what does Evan Turner have to do with Olynyk?

Fair enough but, Olynyk doesn't seem to have a huge impact on a games. ET was a gamer. Granted not a guy worth 70 mill. Signing him for that would have been a treadmill move.

[AlCelticFan]

Spoiler:

I don't understand why you hate ET but, love KO. ET at least came up big at the end of a bunch of games.

First of all i don't love Kelly Olynyk, but i think often he is unfairly criticized on this board, that's a difference. But what does Evan Turner have to do with Olynyk?

Fair enough but, Olynyk doesn't seem to have a huge impact on a games. ET was a gamer. Granted not a guy worth 70 mill. Signing him for that would have been a treadmill move.

To me Evan's visual appearance of contributing outweighed his statistical effect on the outcome of the game. In other words, Evan was the opposite of Olynyk (someone who seems to have a higher impact on winning than you would think by watching him play).

KO spreads the floor, hits a great 3-point %, and his ball movement opens up good shot for team mates.

Evan Turner causes the D to sag off him at the 3-point line because he's terrible from 3, dominates the ball, getting "ball-dominator assists" and shoots low-efficiency 2-pointers well, but not well-enough to make up for their inherent low-efficiency.

[Tiny ball]

Nah....we don't need him....we're 3-2....with BOTH losses coming on the road/2nd night of Back to Backs....Getting ZERO calls from the refs-with Half our Starters out practically...We're FINE...just need to smooth things out and start Boxing out-!

The lack of foul shots and fouls calls on the Celtics looks criminal. This is the worst I have seen it since they finally busted that ref for fixing games. If the NBA is no longer a sport again and entertainment like wrestling the gambling should be shut down and it should be advertised as entertainment and not a sport. I understand this is very early in the season so I am holding of judgement for now.