Official Brett Brown thread

[SelfishPlayer]

He is still the best guard on the team, and should be playing big minutes. It really doesn't matter if he contributes to wins or not at this point, he is good for our big men though.

He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

[NBA Moses]

Coach Brown gets full year but needs to get ship headed in right direction come 2nd half of season.

If team is floundering come spring. He gone following the season.

[bedjawII]

He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

Sad but true. And that's how bad the Sixers have been. He's clearly been the best PG they've put on the floor in a few years but he's an average NBA talent at best.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It's getting to the point for me personally where some changes need to happen. I'm sick of losing (we all are). Good coaches find ways to keep their teams competitive. We are competitive, but that needs to turn into wins. I'm dreading another 65-70 loss season.

[Kolkmania]

He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

Well let's move the reference to an average point guard then. Elfrid Payton, known for his defense, couldn't handle Rodriguez. He's averaging a 3/1 assist to turnover ratio so far, if you have poor talent around you as a point guard then that stat is quite impressive. I'm not saying Rodriguez is CP3 level, but offensively he is at least above average at creating looks for his teammates.

[thenbaman]

Rodriguez is doing a very good job so far for the sixers,remember its only been
four games for him in the nba since his last stint,you need to chill alittle.

[SelfishPlayer]

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

Well let's move the reference to an average point guard then. Elfrid Payton, known for his defense, couldn't handle Rodriguez.

Payton blocked Sergio's layup at the end of the 4th when the Sixers were up which sparked an Orlando comeback for the victory.

[Ericb5]

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

Well let's move the reference to an average point guard then. Elfrid Payton, known for his defense, couldn't handle Rodriguez. He's averaging a 3/1 assist to turnover ratio so far, if you have poor talent around you as a point guard then that stat is quite impressive. I'm not saying Rodriguez is CP3 level, but offensively he is at least above average at creating looks for his teammates.

Yeah, I think that we are getting hung up on the word "good". On offense he is good, and on defense he isn't.

He is a worthwhile player to have on our team, and helps our big men.

I think that BC deserves credit for signing him.


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[NJ SixerFan]

Can we trade BB for walton?

[76ciology]

All I can say is a good coach won't allow a player be a big negative on court.

Best example is Brad Stevens. Who had several flawed players like Zeller, Olynyk, Turner and IT. You need to structure a good rotation/scheme to make that happen. You can't keep insisting on your scheme because maybe it doesn't work with the personnel.

I admit that it's tough to win games when your guards and wings are 2nd unit quality, but still some issues like big margin in TOs and fastbreak points needs to improve.

[phillthy13]

BC's ego is too big to let BB stay on a >20 win team with multiple long losing streaks. Would highly doubt that they aren't already looking at options.

[TTP]

He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.

It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

What's your obsession with the poor quality PGs that have played for the Sixers when determining if Sergio is a good NBA player or not? He is not a good NBA player. You are building a case of whether or not he is a good NBA player based upon the poor quality NBA guards the Sixers have rolled out the past several seasons instead of looking at the rest of the league. Just like with MCW, Sergio is benefiting from opportunity. There is plenty of opportunity when your competition is TJ McConnell. Sergio is pulling his version of a "Kevin Love" when he was with the Timberwolves or MCW when he was with the Sixers. A low team talent level can give guys more opportunity to put up empty stats while not playing quality basketball.

Some pretty lazy analogies here. While you're right that those players played on bad teams, Kevin Love has still crushed it with the Cavs (3rd in PF RPM last season, he was 5th in his last season with the Wolves). He wasn't just putting up empty stats on a bad team.

MCW was ridiculously inefficient and was just compiling counting stats. Anyone that was paying attention and wasn't a homer realized that he was extremely overrated while he was here.

Sergio has been fairly efficient so far this season - highest on/off split on the team, solid shooting percentages, 2.5 assist/TO. On top of that, his game is aesthetically pleasing and provides an enjoyable viewing experience. It remains to be seen whether he keeps it up but for now, there's not a lot to complain about with Sergio.

[Ericb5]

All I can say is a good coach won't allow a player be a big negative on court.

Best example is Brad Stevens. Who had several flawed players like Zeller, Olynyk, Turner and IT. You need to structure a good rotation/scheme to make that happen. You can't keep insisting on your scheme because maybe it doesn't work with the personnel.

I admit that it's tough to win games when your guards and wings are 2nd unit quality, but still some issues like big margin in TOs and fastbreak points needs to improve.

If he is supposed to not let players be negative on the court then who is he supposed to put in the game?

This season is the first one where the guards and wings can be fairly called "2nd unit quality". Generally he has had players that aren't even in the league anymore.

What it comes down to for me is this. If Brett Brown was coaching teams like Boston, Orlando, or Utah over the last few years, he would be winning a lot more games. You can't measure his worth by wins and losses on a team that isn't built to win.

All of the talk about rotations, and in bounds plays misses the point that he is trying to make something work that can't work.

I personally am not evaluating him on that kind of criteria. I evaluate him to this point on his teaching, and motivation.

He has proven that he can improve players through his coaching over the years, and he should be given a chance to prove if he can take a team that is capable of winning to the next level.

We have zero evidence that he can do that because he has never had a team in Philly capable of winning.

Brad Stevens has proven more than Brett Brown, but what would Stevens have accomplished if he was coaching us for the last 3 years? Nothing.


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[phifans]

He has proven that he can improve players through his coaching over the years,

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Im wondering who has been improved under BB the past three years and I cant recall anyone.

[TTP]

He has proven that he can improve players through his coaching over the years,

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Im wondering who has been improved under BB the past three years and I cant recall anyone.

Jerami Grant and Richaun have improved significantly from when they were drafted. Hollis has improved some from when he joined the team. Ish Smith can probably be grouped here as well. I'd also consider listing Embiid here but hard to say because we don't know how he would have played two years ago (I'd imagine not as well as he is now).

[phifans]

He has proven that he can improve players through his coaching over the years,

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Im wondering who has been improved under BB the past three years and I cant recall anyone.

Jerami Grant and Richaun have improved significantly from when they were drafted. Hollis has improved some from when he joined the team. Ish Smith can probably be grouped here as well. I'd also consider listing Embiid here but hard to say because we don't know how he would have played two years ago (I'd imagine not as well as he is now).

Who cares these bench warmers when your core prospects failed to improve (MCW , Noel , Okafor etc.)

[OleSchool]

Im wondering who has been improved under BB the past three years and I cant recall anyone.

Jerami Grant and Richaun have improved significantly from when they were drafted. Hollis has improved some from when he joined the team. Ish Smith can probably be grouped here as well. I'd also consider listing Embiid here but hard to say because we don't know how he would have played two years ago (I'd imagine not as well as he is now).

Who cares these bench warmers when your core prospects failed to improve (MCW , Noel , Okafor etc.)

I don't think anyone thought MCW was a "core" prospect, and I think pretty much everyone knew that once OK4 was drafted either him or Noel wasn't going to be here in the end.

So we're really looking only at 1 core prospect, either Noel or Ok4, and OK4 has improved his free throw shooting since college. Not that it's some earth shattering percentage but, it has improved

[SelfishPlayer]

Sergio has been fairly efficient so far this season - highest on/off split on the team, solid shooting percentages, 2.5 assist/TO. On top of that, his game is aesthetically pleasing and provides an enjoyable viewing experience. It remains to be seen whether he keeps it up but for now, there's not a lot to complain about with Sergio.

The Sixers have two PGs that are absolutely no threat to get layups in the halfcourt and both of them are horrible at pulling up for 3 point jump shots off the dribble while defended. I don't feel like I'm watching an NBA game when they are orchestrating the offense. It does not help the development of anyone if your two PGs play a style of offense that is not seen amongst winning organizations. The Sixers have oddball point guards that do not want to attack the paint and do not want to shoot pull up 3's. Really the Sixers have oddball guards. The Sixers have a shooting specialist SG that can not shoot in Nik Stauskas a career .325% from three which is below league average. This is hurting the development of the front court players having these oddball guards receive major minutes.

[TTP]

Im wondering who has been improved under BB the past three years and I cant recall anyone.

Jerami Grant and Richaun have improved significantly from when they were drafted. Hollis has improved some from when he joined the team. Ish Smith can probably be grouped here as well. I'd also consider listing Embiid here but hard to say because we don't know how he would have played two years ago (I'd imagine not as well as he is now).

Who cares these bench warmers when your core prospects failed to improve (MCW , Noel , Okafor etc.)

It would be more damning if MCW had improved elsewhere. Noel was forced to play out of position because of Okafor. I imagine he would have improved otherwise and I'm not faulting Brown there. Okafor's been how I expected him to be and I'm not sure whether he's improving or not given all the missed injury time. It would also be more indicative if some of the guys we gave up on went on to do well elsewhere but so far the only one that has looked decent is Tim Frazier, who wasn't here long.

[SelfishPlayer]

I think that Brown is a bit of an idiot. He predetermined entering last season that he would not play Okafor at PF. This season it appears that he doesn't want to play Richaun at PF with Embiid at center. Richaun Holmes should be receiving more NBA minutes at this point in his career than Ersan Ilyasova. With Okafor on minutes restriction, Simmons, and Noel out, Richaun Holmes should be receiving more minutes than Nik Stauskas and TJ McConnell. Richaun Holmes appears to be a real NBA player that is developing while those two guys are on the roster as a testament to the mismanagement of this horrific organization.