So how about Joel Embiid

[Unbreakable99]

I'm sorry, but no. Unless by a chance you mean like in dumb and dumber when one in a million is considered a chance.

We shall see. Embiid is the perfect center.

You're getting carried away with the hyperbole. This makes the rest of us 76er fans look insane on the General board.

** But I will say this: I thought this thread was unnecessary at 1st, because there is a rookie thread. But I see now that Embiid is so much better than every other rookie, he doesn't even get mentioned that much over there. That thread is now a "best of the rest" argument.

Embiid is the perfect center. He's over 7 feet. He can shoot from long range. He can dominate down low. He is great on defense. He can rebound. I stand by my statement. People need to stop acting like it's wrong to project greatness. I wasn't wrong when I saw greatness from LeBron after a few games. LeBron is the perfect specimen for a SF. I'm not going to be afraid to say Embiid could be an all time great center. How long did you have to wait to say that about LeBron?

[richboy]

My goodness..

Well he is certainly just as talented as Wilt, kareem and shaq the kid is a rare specimen.

He's having a great season, especially after his injuries, but lets pump the breaks. these guys were MUCH MUCH better as rookies.

Your talking about a different time and those players also had 3 or 4 years of college.

Embiid is seriously special. I have said this for awhile. He is like a 7'2 version of Hakeem. Hakeem and Embiid or so similar it is striking. Both didn't grow up playing basketball. Both picked up the game late. Both had this insane amount of improvement from the time they picked up the game. Both despite not growing up playing basketball extremely competitive. Both even went to schools where they took the shine away from superstar wing players. If Hakeem was 7'2 he would have been the goat.It was really the only weakness to his game. When you watch the kid you just have to wonder what he can't do. I thought I was being generous when I said if he played starter minutes he average 20 and 10. Now I feel like if he was playing starter minutes he could get 25 and 10. The only reason he misses shots right now is because he just missed it. Nobody is forcing him into a shot he can't make.

Right now he has a 25 PER and he not really doing anything unsustainable. Matter of fact his turnovers are much to high and he hasn't even started rebounding the way I've seen him.

[LloydFree]

We shall see. Embiid is the perfect center.

You're getting carried away with the hyperbole. This makes the rest of us 76er fans look insane on the General board.

** But I will say this: I thought this thread was unnecessary at 1st, because there is a rookie thread. But I see now that Embiid is so much better than every other rookie, he doesn't even get mentioned that much over there. That thread is now a "best of the rest" argument.

Embiid is the perfect center. He's over 7 feet. He can shoot from long range. He can dominate down low. He is great on defense. He can rebound. I stand by my statement. People need to stop acting like it's wrong to project greatness. I wasn't wrong when I saw greatness from LeBron after a few games. LeBron is the perfect specimen for a SF. I'm not going to be afraid to say Embiid could be an all time great center. How long did you have to wait to say that about LeBron?

Look. I agree with you for the most part. I saw greatness in him after only watching his 1st few games at Kansas. (Go back and look at the 76er draft threads and see how early and how many times I argued Embiid was better than Wiggins). That's not the point.

Nobody was saying Lebron was definitely going to be better than Michael Jordan after his 1st 5 games. If they did, they were deservedly called out. It's disrespectful to Kareem, Wilt and Olajuwon 's greatness to come out and say Embiid is going to better than them, even if you believe it. More than that, its ridiculously presumptuous at this point.

[OkcSinceSGA]

You're getting carried away with the hyperbole. This makes the rest of us 76er fans look insane on the General board.

** But I will say this: I thought this thread was unnecessary at 1st, because there is a rookie thread. But I see now that Embiid is so much better than every other rookie, he doesn't even get mentioned that much over there. That thread is now a "best of the rest" argument.

Embiid is the perfect center. He's over 7 feet. He can shoot from long range. He can dominate down low. He is great on defense. He can rebound. I stand by my statement. People need to stop acting like it's wrong to project greatness. I wasn't wrong when I saw greatness from LeBron after a few games. LeBron is the perfect specimen for a SF. I'm not going to be afraid to say Embiid could be an all time great center. How long did you have to wait to say that about LeBron?

Look. I agree with you for the most part. I saw greatness in him after only watching his 1st few games at Kansas. (Go back and look at the 76er draft threads and see how early and how many times I argued Embiid was better than Wiggins). That's not the point.

Nobody was saying Lebron was definitely going to be better than Michael Jordan after his 1st 5 games. If they did, they were deservedly called out. It's disrespectful to Kareem, Wilt and Olajuwon 's greatness to come out and say Embiid is going to better than them, even if you believe it. More than that, its ridiculously presumptuous at this point.

This. Embiid has been awesome. He's got potential to be a great player. I'm also happy he's re energizing the Sixers fan base (they deserve it). Where I draw the line is 5 games into his career and in the case of this thread in preseason, comparing him to top 5 legend centers this game has seen. That's when being a Homer is going too far.

[Sixerscan]

He's averaging more points per minute on a higher true shooting percentage than Michael Jordan. Also he's 2nd in the league in blocks per game (leading the league per minute obviously).

Oh and he's leading the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

His stat line is one of the more hilarious things I've seen.

[robbie84]

Why do other rookie threads bet locked and told 'go to rookie discussion thread' and this staus in general?

[Unbreakable99]

You're getting carried away with the hyperbole. This makes the rest of us 76er fans look insane on the General board.

** But I will say this: I thought this thread was unnecessary at 1st, because there is a rookie thread. But I see now that Embiid is so much better than every other rookie, he doesn't even get mentioned that much over there. That thread is now a "best of the rest" argument.

Embiid is the perfect center. He's over 7 feet. He can shoot from long range. He can dominate down low. He is great on defense. He can rebound. I stand by my statement. People need to stop acting like it's wrong to project greatness. I wasn't wrong when I saw greatness from LeBron after a few games. LeBron is the perfect specimen for a SF. I'm not going to be afraid to say Embiid could be an all time great center. How long did you have to wait to say that about LeBron?

Look. I agree with you for the most part. I saw greatness in him after only watching his 1st few games at Kansas. (Go back and look at the 76er draft threads and see how early and how many times I argued Embiid was better than Wiggins). That's not the point.

Nobody was saying Lebron was definitely going to be better than Michael Jordan after his 1st 5 games. If they did, they were deservedly called out. It's disrespectful to Kareem, Wilt and Olajuwon 's greatness to come out and say Embiid is going to better than them, even if you believe it. More than that, its ridiculously presumptuous at this point.

I see where you're coming from but I just say what I believe. I don't think it's disrespectful to other great centers just because I think Embiid will eventually on par or better than them. I was very high on Embiid at Kansas and before the draft said he was the best big man prospect I have seen since Duncan.

As far as LeBron there were many pundits saying he was the greatest high school prospect ever and before he made his NBA debut said he could be one of the greats. That didn't mean they were disrespecting other greats like Clyde Drexler and Bird and Magic and Jordan.

Me saying Embiid could become better than Olajuwon or Shaq doesn't mean I'm disrespecting them. I know it's going to take a long time for that to happen. LeBron passed Bird a few years ago in my opinion but saying in 2003 he could be better than Bird shouldn't have been seen as disrespect. Embiid has every tool you would want in a center. If he can stay healthy and play starters minutes for at least 15 years there is no reason to be afraid to project and say he could be an all time great center.

[Unbreakable99]

Why do other rookie threads bet locked and told 'go to rookie discussion thread' and this staus in general?

Because Embiid is in his own category. There's rookies. Then there's the beast that is Embiid.

[robbie84]

Backseat moderating

[OkcSinceSGA]

He's averaging more points per minute on a higher true shooting percentage than Michael Jordan. Also he's 2nd in the league in blocks per game (leading the league per minute obviously).

Oh and he's leading the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

His stat line is one of the more hilarious things I've seen.

As a mod and presumably reasonably long NBA fan I shouldn't have to explain to you what sample size means. Usually NBA rookies or first year players that are really good kill it early because teams haven't started game planning for them or adjusting. Once more sample is there to study and he sees double teams here and there etc, it will change.

[Sixersftw]

Why do other rookie threads bet locked and told 'go to rookie discussion thread' and this staus in general?

Non homer answer = Because if all the discussion of Joel Embiid was in the rookie thread then it would pretty much make it unusable for discussing other rookies. This thread is twice the size of the rookie thread already even though the Rookie thread has a number of Jojo related posts. There probably should have been a separate KAT/KP thread last year for the same reason.

[Un4given]

I was expecting Embiid to make an instant impact but personally he still surpassed my expectations. He's offensive repertoire is simply amazing and his defensive instincts are really great. Still, since he's still technically a rookie I would like to point out few things that still need some work on.

First of all, despite having great instincts at helping at defense and protecting the rim, he needs to learn how to take a better position when it comes to collecting a def rebound. It seems to me that he is wandering to far from the hoop when the ball is on perimeter so he is usually not on the best position to grab the rebound after a missed shot. On the offensive end, maybe he should focus less on getting the ball as soon as possible and try to established dominant post up position closer to basket before receiving the pass. Would help with his turnovers and his FG% should benefit from it too. On the other hand, I would like to see more more pick and pop sets run for him so he could still benefit from his outside shooting and be able to stretch the floor. Also, he need to become more automatic in his decisions when he's doubled. So basically, I would like him to simplify his game a bit, Sergio is a great distributor and once Simmons is back I don't think Embiid shouldn't have much part in creating on that team. The good thing that those thing should be easily coachable and most of it should become more obvious for him just from getting more experienced.

If he stays healthy, I can see him easily becoming best C in the League alongside KAT in less then 2 years and dominating for years to come.

[CoreyGallagher]

There probably should have been separate KAT/KP threads last year for the same reason.

There were.

[Sixersftw]

There probably should have been separate KAT/KP threads last year for the same reason.

There were.

Kinda brain farted, i knew that but all this Embiid's got my brain all **** up.

[Viper1500]

I did not expect him to be half this good coming into this season. The guy looks great

[Sixerscan]

He's averaging more points per minute on a higher true shooting percentage than Michael Jordan. Also he's 2nd in the league in blocks per game (leading the league per minute obviously).

Oh and he's leading the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

His stat line is one of the more hilarious things I've seen.

As a mod and presumably reasonably long NBA fan I shouldn't have to explain to you what sample size means. Usually NBA rookies or first year players that are really good kill it early because teams haven't started game planning for them or adjusting. Once more sample is there to study and he sees double teams here and there etc, it will change.

Thank you for explaining to me the significance of a small sample size, before this post I was actually under the impression that Joel Embiid would continue to score at a rate higher than Michael Jordan for the rest of his career because he had done it for a week and a half.

[RatherUnique]

We shall see. Embiid is the perfect center.

You're getting carried away with the hyperbole. This makes the rest of us 76er fans look insane on the General board.

** But I will say this: I thought this thread was unnecessary at 1st, because there is a rookie thread. But I see now that Embiid is so much better than every other rookie, he doesn't even get mentioned that much over there. That thread is now a "best of the rest" argument.

Embiid is the perfect center. He's over 7 feet. He can shoot from long range. He can dominate down low. He is great on defense. He can rebound. I stand by my statement. People need to stop acting like it's wrong to project greatness. I wasn't wrong when I saw greatness from LeBron after a few games. LeBron is the perfect specimen for a SF. I'm not going to be afraid to say Embiid could be an all time great center. How long did you have to wait to say that about LeBron?

I had to wait to see if Lebrun could play 33-35+ mins a night for 6 straight months then another 40+ mins a night for 2 more months.

[TMU]

Anyone else surprised that he's able to hit threes? Truly a rare breed. Dude is still a rookie but he has no real weakness in his game. Hopefully the kid can stay healthy for a long time.

[OkcSinceSGA]

He's averaging more points per minute on a higher true shooting percentage than Michael Jordan. Also he's 2nd in the league in blocks per game (leading the league per minute obviously).

Oh and he's leading the league in 3 point shooting percentage.

His stat line is one of the more hilarious things I've seen.

As a mod and presumably reasonably long NBA fan I shouldn't have to explain to you what sample size means. Usually NBA rookies or first year players that are really good kill it early because teams haven't started game planning for them or adjusting. Once more sample is there to study and he sees double teams here and there etc, it will change.

Thank you for explaining to me the significance of a small sample size, before this post I was actually under the impression that Joel Embiid would continue to score at a rate higher than Michael Jordan for the rest of his career because he had done it for a week and a half.

The context of your post didn't imply he would fall back to Earth (although it's obvious). Seemed like you were just fluffing him up.

[Boarder Patrol]

Could be ROY on a minutes limit coming off a 2 year layoff.

For the sake of the sport I'm crossing my fingers he stays healthy.