Game 7: Suns vs Lakers

gaspar · Post #461 » by **gaspar** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 4:38 pm

This constant Earl Watson criticism on this board is **** ridiculous. Our rookies' stans this year are worse than the Goodwhiners.

Post #462 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 5:03 pm

gaspar wrote:This constant Earl Watson criticism on this board is **** ridiculous. Our rookies' stans this year are worse than the Goodwhiners.

People have constantly complained about the coach no matter who the coach is.

LukasBMW · Post #463 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 5:07 pm

gaspar wrote:This constant Earl Watson criticism on this board is **** ridiculous. Our rookies' stans this year are worse than the Goodwhiners.

Watson is still learning on the job, but I have faith.

My biggest issue with him is the rotations and play time. Our bench can't score or play defense. Brandon Knight is a turnover machine. Last night, our bench has 1 point - 1 single point - in the first half.

When our rookies have played - especially Ulis - they have played well.

We're losing games. Might as well play the rookies a bit more especially Ulis and Bender.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #464 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 5:18 pm

The fall of brandon knight is staggering. Hes completely lost and literally looks like the worst player in the nba.

On the bright side his play might single handedly increase the suns draft pick by about 5 spots. So its not a total loss.

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Post #465 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 5:42 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:The fall of brandon knight is staggering. Hes completely lost and literally looks like the worst player in the nba.

On the bright side his play might single handedly increase the suns draft pick by about 5 spots. So its not a total loss.

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That's the only thing I keep thinking about him and playing Tucker/Barbs a lot. At least our draft pick will be higher. Of course we might not play that guy either.

yitur · Post #466 » by **yitur** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 6:39 pm

I think you guys have couple of special young guys in your roster also. By the way Lakers had like 3-4 dagger plays but Booker keep coming back at us which was special. Len-Warren-Booker is a great core for going forward, I wished you guys didn't wave Goodwin though I thought he was gonna be special for you too. I didn't read much about it why was he waived???

WeekapaugGroove · Post #467 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 6:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:The fall of brandon knight is staggering. Hes completely lost and literally looks like the worst player in the nba.

On the bright side his play might single handedly increase the suns draft pick by about 5 spots. So its not a total loss.

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That's the only thing I keep thinking about him and playing Tucker/Barbs a lot. At least our draft pick will be higher. Of course we might not play that guy either.

Im annoyed by barbs and tucker taking the young guys minutes but not freaking out about it yet since it only November and its a long season. But at some point they need to get them some run. Injuries will probably end up sorting it out and maybe they can get a minor asset in a tucker trade.

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MathiasPW · Post #468 » by **MathiasPW** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 7:04 pm

yitur wrote:I think you guys have couple of special young guys in your roster also. By the way Lakers had like 3-4 dagger plays but Booker keep coming back at us which was special. Len-Warren-Booker is a great core for going forward, I wished you guys didn't wave Goodwin though I thought he was gonna be special for you too. I didn't read much about it why was he waived???

We all wish you'd worked for some Front Office so we could have traded him to you for something.

Fact is he's just a freak athlete, but bad basketball player. No shot. No decision making skills. Lost on defense. Bad at finishing at the rim.

He asked to be released so he could find playing time somewhere else, as he was deep in the bench here.

OGBAH · Post #469 » by **OGBAH** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 9:43 pm

https://youtu.be/BpsRcJYpisA

Found it

yitur · Post #470 » by **yitur** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 10:06 pm

MathiasPW wrote:
yitur wrote:I think you guys have couple of special young guys in your roster also. By the way Lakers had like 3-4 dagger plays but Booker keep coming back at us which was special. Len-Warren-Booker is a great core for going forward, I wished you guys didn't wave Goodwin though I thought he was gonna be special for you too. I didn't read much about it why was he waived???

We all wish you'd worked for some Front Office so we could have traded him to you for something.

Fact is he's just a freak athlete, but bad basketball player. No shot. No decision making skills. Lost on defense. Bad at finishing at the rim.

He asked to be released so he could find playing time somewhere else, as he was deep in the bench here.

That remind me of someone who is playing pretty good right about know, he is pretty young he just needs to be coached and developed the right way.

MathiasPW · Post #471 » by **MathiasPW** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 10:24 pm

yitur wrote:
MathiasPW wrote:
yitur wrote:I think you guys have couple of special young guys in your roster also. By the way Lakers had like 3-4 dagger plays but Booker keep coming back at us which was special. Len-Warren-Booker is a great core for going forward, I wished you guys didn't wave Goodwin though I thought he was gonna be special for you too. I didn't read much about it why was he waived???

We all wish you'd worked for some Front Office so we could have traded him to you for something.

Fact is he's just a freak athlete, but bad basketball player. No shot. No decision making skills. Lost on defense. Bad at finishing at the rim.

He asked to be released so he could find playing time somewhere else, as he was deep in the bench here.

That remind me of someone who is playing pretty good right about know, he is pretty young he just needs to be coached and developed the right way.

Ah yes....I forgot to mention apparently uncoachable

Damkac · Post #472 » by **Damkac** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 11:44 pm

I don't like that rookies don't play but I'm so happy that Book and Warren are main scorers on the team. Watson is trying to win games now, if this won't work let's hope he will switch to "play youth" mode.

Post #473 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Nov 7, 2016 11:46 pm

OnceUponADime wrote:
The Phoenix Suns will spend an extra day in Southern California for a beach yoga session on Monday. Last season, Suns Coach Earl Watson, who played at UCLA, began mandatory yoga sessions once a week. He says it builds mindfulness in his players, and a connection that helped them beat the New Orleans Pelicans in overtime recently. “That backdoor play that we beat New Orleans with, that’s straight mindfulness,” Watson said.

- Los Angeles Times

Interesting.

I'm all for yoga since it's a great physical activity and it does to an extent, builds personal mindfulness. I don't know how certain plays relates to "straight mindfulness" though. And I'm not sure how it built a contection to beat the Pels in OT either.

RaisingArizona · Post #474 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 12:49 am

gaspar wrote:This constant Earl Watson criticism on this board is **** ridiculous. Our rookies' stans this year are worse than the Goodwhiners.

That's because we have two top 10 picks losing time to PJ freaking Tucker. Makes no goddamn sense.

Post #475 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 1:12 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
gaspar wrote:This constant Earl Watson criticism on this board is **** ridiculous. Our rookies' stans this year are worse than the Goodwhiners.

That's because we have two top 10 picks losing time to PJ freaking Tucker. Makes no goddamn sense.

While I think it's a little early to start criticizing Watson, it sure is frustrating. I had someone else (a very knowledgable NBA basketball fan of another team) ask me some questions about the Suns.

What's the point of making the playoffs for the Suns? The goal should be to develop the young players... and pick up another high pick along the way.

I wonder what ownership asks of these coaches.

Every coach wants to win, but there is something bigger at stake here: developing players that maybe one day can elevate the team to a top level.

Winning games, just to finish 37-43 is horrible in the NBA. Everyone knows that. ESPECIALLY if you're playing Tucker, Barbosa... and others over young players.

I guess we may see Bender in the D-League at some point?

My response:

Honestly I never minded making the youngsters beat out the vets for playing time, and Warren never played much his rookie year, and then Booker his rookie year before a ton of injuries. But there was a HUGE mandate to win.

Bender and Chriss are the two youngest players in the league so they are very raw. I felt like Sarver finally embraced rebuilding and putting the spotlight on our youth, so I thought they might play a bit more than rookies typically do. But throw on top of that how bad Knight, Barbosa and Tucker are playing it's ludicrous.

It's complex.

Youngsters cant beat out marginal players.

But they cant beat them out because you dont give them the room to play and learn through mistakes...

Didnt Len took a nosedive with Chandler's addiction? I remember Suns fans were very excited about him. Now it seems many think he is a scrub

He had also added this after seeing some Cousins discussion:

I just don't think Cousins is someone you can trust. Half of the kIngs problems are because of him.

Horrible body language. A negative presence. More often than not, if you catch a Kings game, you will be trying to figure out just what the hell is going on with him....

Post #476 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 2:34 am

bwgood77 wrote:Was going to put this in the game thread, but would probably kind of get lost and not as much attention.

So, adding pts, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, which trio do you think gets more between our last three draft picks each who are getting playing time?

Randle, Russell and Ingram or Warren, Booker and Chriss?

Obviously I'm not sure many will pick the Lakers, but I am wondering who, if anyone, will.

Blackification wrote:we win points easy but Russell plays the point and randle plays pf so they might win rebounding and assists.
TJ has been stealing like a maniac though

Kerrsed wrote:Suns......easy.

Blackification wrote:we win points easy but Russell plays the point and randle plays pf so they might win rebounding and assists.
TJ has been stealing like a maniac though

Saberestar wrote:It is gonna be close...like the game.

Well, even with only Booker and Warren getting us numbers, we took it 88-61 I believe.

Damkac · Post #477 » by **Damkac** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:01 am

How do you all think: if Bledsoe and Knight weren't injured last season how many minutes would Booker play now?

jcsunsfan · Post #478 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:21 pm

Damkac wrote:How do you all think: if Bledsoe and Knight weren't injured last season how many minutes would Booker play now?

Well. It depends. If Bledsoe and Knight were not injured, and Horny kept is job, then no, Booker would not be getting the minutes. If Horny was fired anyway, then its possible.

I do think this "veteran preference syndrome" is particularly a problem for former role players turned coaches. They had to EARN minutes through sheer determination and hard work. Also, they remember what it was like to be phased out by star young player and often felt it was unfair because the young player seemed to just be handed the job.

Former star players turned coaches remember what it was like to sit on the bench early when they KNEW they were better than the veteran role player in front of them.

kennydorglas · Post #479 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:52 pm

Damkac wrote:How do you all think: if Bledsoe and Knight weren't injured last season how many minutes would Booker play now?

Makes you think. I guess he'd forced his way into big minutes anyway, but it's scary that u need some huge injuries to let a talented rookie play.

It's happening again.

Damkac · Post #480 » by **Damkac** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:35 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:I do think this "veteran preference syndrome" is particularly a problem for former role players turned coaches. They had to EARN minutes through sheer determination and hard work. Also, they remember what it was like to be phased out by star young player and often felt it was unfair because the young player seemed to just be handed the job.

I understand the "rookies needs to earn their minutes" thinking but shouldn't the vets be treated the same? Except of Chandler and Bledsoe they are all playing terrible so far. Why they deserve their minutes and rookies not?
By the way all three rookies played very well in their debut game but get almost no minutes in next games. Even Chriss looks to be out of rotation now. I guess rookie needs to get triple double in one minute to earn playing time. I'm not sure if Suns would be any worse if Ulis would get Barbosa's minutes or Bender would get Tucker's.

Fortunately Booker and Warren gets lots of minutes and green light to shoot.