What do the Pacers do to get better???

[basketballwacko2]

I didn't want to post his in the Trade forum because I didn't want to see 30 low ball offers for PG and or Turner.

What do we have to do to get better. I had a us winning 48-49 games this season and we might still come together and do that. But the 2nd unit doesn't look as good as I thought it would. What I'd like to do is get a 3 point shooting SG and move Monta to the 2nd unit. I don't see a deal short of trading away a future draft pick.

[Wizop]

I don't think they'll consider trades until January or February. Give them some time. Lots of new bodies. all losses are on the road and all wins are at home.

Monta only took two shots against the Bulls so he's becoming more of a distributor. Teague had his first good game. rotations are still in flux although the days of a Vogel style full hockey 5 player substitution seem to be over. as Aaron Rogers said last year, R-E-L-A-X.

[basketballwacko2]

I'm not getting panicity but we have to get better, we have to shoot better and the 2nd unit has to be able to hold their own while the starters rest. I still miss Lance I see that the Pels cut him because he's had some kind of groin injury. To bad we don't have a roster spot for him. I'm not saying he is the answer but I always liked the guy.

[Pacers_Freak]

I'm not getting panicity but we have to get better, we have to shoot better and the 2nd unit has to be able to hold their own while the starters rest. I still miss Lance I see that the Pels cut him because he's had some kind of groin injury. To bad we don't have a roster spot for him. I'm not saying he is the answer but I always liked the guy.

IMO there was too much of the crazy Lance stuff to bring him back. I think you may see them make a move, but way do the road. We haven't even seen the whole 2nd unit function yet. Brooks was out and then when he was getting ready to come back Stuck got hurt.

[basketballwacko2]

Well we don't have a roster spot for Lance or anyone unless we cut someone. It's hard to say how long he's gonna be out with the injury but I'm sure he could find a spot one the Ft Wayne team. I'm looking down the road 3 months hopefully the 2nd unit can get it together. What I'd like to do is get a better shooting sg and move Monta to the 2nd unit.

[boomershadow]

Some of the freak out has been unnecessary. It's only been six games, and no matter what else we're still at .500. I too doubt we would see a move made until enough time has gone by to see what happens when the team gels chemistry wise, give the team a chance to get used to each other, give Nate enough time to implement his system and make the changes he would make to how the team operates. But there are things we need to improve on more. Here are some things I think we are trying to do that we need to keep building on.

1. Staggered Rotations - sending out the "all bench" unit probably helped us lose game 7 in Toronto last year, and hasn't looked great this year when I've seen it. Having rotations with some starters in most of the time will help raise the bench up a bit, and it might calm down some of that send Monta to the bench talk if he's playing some with the second unit.

2. Stressing defense - we've seen it, they've talked about it a lot, and we still gotta keep getting better at that end. That's not gonna be something that will ever get "done" per se, because it's something that needs continually worked on all the time by everyone, always. No more matter how good or bad they are doing.

3. Get Al Jefferson going - He's gotta be that offensive punch for us when he's on the court, and he's gotta do it while not totally goofing on the defensive end. He got signed here to score points. We need points. We gotta help get him going, and he's gotta step up and do it. The way it's looked so far, he hasn't been any upgrade over Jordan Hill.

4. Develop chemistry in the halfcourt offense - I said in the game thread for one of our losses that we looked lost if the defense stopped the fast break or if we had to play out of the net after the other team scored. But you're not gonna get a stop or a miss every time you play D, no matter how good D it is. You gotta have some offense, and it looked ten times better in the clips I saw from our last win.

[Pacersike]

Without any trades, PG at the 4

Dude has been a silly turnover machine whenever he is matched up with a good wing defender or when defenses high pressure him.

CJ has been killing it, he needs to start, whoever needs to be benched of Ellis or Young.

Edit: PG has more turnovers than assists and ranks second to last in AST/TO among espn qualified players.
George Hill is third best. Pacers front office has to ask themselves the same question. How do we value players more accurately?

[pacerfan1984]

Pacer fans need to relax...we are 7 games into a 82 game season with a bunch of new players. They will figure it out. The only change I would support so far is moving CJ into the starting lineup and moving Monta to the 2nd unit to provide more offense.

[Pacers_Freak]

Pacer fans need to relax...we are 7 games into a 82 game season with a bunch of new players. They will figure it out. The only change I would support so far is moving CJ into the starting lineup and moving Monta to the 2nd unit to provide more offense.

Well said.

[laydo]

Pacer fans need to relax...we are 7 games into a 82 game season with a bunch of new players. They will figure it out. The only change I would support so far is moving CJ into the starting lineup and moving Monta to the 2nd unit to provide more offense.

Maybe it's too early to judge, but like what T.Young just said, the Pacers have not met the contenders yet.

The goal of this season should target the top 4 seed in the East Conference, but I don't see it now.

The truth is that the Pacers are too short to defend most of the team if they start Monta and Jeff at backcourt. Both of them are not known as good defender and that's the problem will cause the Pacers whole season.

I'm not against moving CJ into starting lineup but I doubt Nate McMillan would do that. Also, if Stuckey back from his injury, we all know that CJ will back to the bench anyway.


So, how should the Pacers get better? There are two different ways to do it, in my opinion.

Plan A.
We upgrade the offense even more. I know the Pacers score 108 ppg, but that's not enough, considering Monta Ellis score less than 10 ppg. The Pacers should bring George Karl as their new head coach or assistant head coach, at least, because we all know that McMillan is not good enough to make the Pacers a better offensive team.

Plan B.
We trade Monta for a bigger wing player, to solve the short problem of backcourt.
Danny Green may be a good target since Kyle Anderson and Jonathon Simmons are playing pretty well this season.

[Miller4ever]

Myles and Miles.

The Pacers are not feeding Myles enough and not giving Miles enough minutes.

Then we just wait for Stuckey to come back and Teague to chake this funk, because he should be a better player than he's shown thus far.

[SmashMouthRod]

I think Ellis should be moved to the bench as the primary ball handler. GR III should start at the two for defensive purposes. I like the idea of Ellis, Stuckey and Miles all coming off the bench for instant offense. GR III is a player with upside as a defender and scorer. I like him next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles in switching situations. Paul stated that guys are comfortable giving up points. I think Franks absence on this team is wearing its ugly head. GR III for Ellis immediately upgrades this teams defense in one on one matchups. Maybe a guy like Sefolosha can be had at the deadline.

[Pacers_Freak]

I think Ellis should be moved to the bench as the primary ball handler. GR III should start at the two for defensive purposes. I like the idea of Ellis, Stuckey and Miles all coming off the bench for instant offense. GR III is a player with upside as a defender and scorer. I like him next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles in switching situations. Paul stated that guys are comfortable giving up points. I think Franks absence on this team is wearing its ugly head. GR III for Ellis immediately upgrades this teams defense in one on one matchups. Maybe a guy like Sefolosha can be had at the deadline.

You are not going to find a bigger GR3 fan than myself. Really liked him in college, loved when we got him, BUT there is no way he is an NBA starter. And as much as I like him, with the way he has looked this year.... I would have a hard time arguing that he should get more minutes let alone starting.

[boomershadow]

I think Ellis should be moved to the bench as the primary ball handler. GR III should start at the two for defensive purposes. I like the idea of Ellis, Stuckey and Miles all coming off the bench for instant offense. GR III is a player with upside as a defender and scorer. I like him next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles in switching situations. Paul stated that guys are comfortable giving up points. I think Franks absence on this team is wearing its ugly head. GR III for Ellis immediately upgrades this teams defense in one on one matchups. Maybe a guy like Sefolosha can be had at the deadline.

You are not going to find a bigger GR3 fan than myself. Really liked him in college, loved when we got him, BUT there is no way he is an NBA starter. And as much as I like him, with the way he has looked this year.... I would have a hard time arguing that he should get more minutes let alone starting.

The obvious person to start at the 2 is CJ Miles. With the bench sg and sf being Ellis and GR3

[boomershadow]

I think Ellis should be moved to the bench as the primary ball handler. GR III should start at the two for defensive purposes. I like the idea of Ellis, Stuckey and Miles all coming off the bench for instant offense. GR III is a player with upside as a defender and scorer. I like him next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles in switching situations. Paul stated that guys are comfortable giving up points. I think Franks absence on this team is wearing its ugly head. GR III for Ellis immediately upgrades this teams defense in one on one matchups. Maybe a guy like Sefolosha can be had at the deadline.

You are not going to find a bigger GR3 fan than myself. Really liked him in college, loved when we got him, BUT there is no way he is an NBA starter. And as much as I like him, with the way he has looked this year.... I would have a hard time arguing that he should get more minutes let alone starting.

The obvious person to start at the 2 is CJ Miles. With the bench sg and sf being Ellis and GR3.

That would make Stuckey the odd man out. And I'm sorry to him for that since he seemed to be playing well. But it's what we need to do. He's just been too injury prone in his three years here to make any decisions around him.

[Pacers_Freak]

I must be missing something with GR3 that everyone else here sees.

[chube]

Willie Cayley-Stein is reportedly available from Sacramento and Larry apparently liked him leading up to the draft. Based on his short career so far, wouldn't give much offense but maybe anchor a defense off the bench?

The only difficult part is figuring out what it would take to give up. He's only a year removed from being a top-10 pick but with a low salary.


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[SmashMouthRod]

I must be missing something with GR3 that everyone else here sees.

If you watched GR3 versus Roberson (OKC) tonight the kid played 43 mins with the starters. Played solid defense minus Paul and CJ. and scored 14 points with 10 boards and 2 assists. If he started next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles the switches become seamless defensively and he's not a liability on offense. He will likely get better and gain confidence as the season progresses. His upside is higher than Ellis or Miles who are guys that are already as good as they are going to be. For those folk who said they cant make a case for him to get any more minutes should be tuned in tonight. Ellis and Stuckey could cause all kinds of matchup problems off the bench for any team.

Edit: Make that 16 points and 11 boards. Im currently watching this game in real time.

[Pacers_Freak]

I must be missing something with GR3 that everyone else here sees.

If you watched GR3 versus Roberson (OKC) tonight the kid played 43 mins with the starters. Played solid defense minus Paul and CJ. and scored 14 points with 10 boards and 2 assists. If he started next to Paul, Thaddeus and Myles the switches become seamless defensively and he's not a liability on offense. He will likely get better and gain confidence as the season progresses. His upside is higher than Ellis or Miles who are guys that are already as good as they are going to be. For those folk who said they cant make a case for him to get any more minutes should be tuned in tonight. Ellis and Stuckey could cause all kinds of matchup problems off the bench for any team.

Edit: Make that 16 points and 11 boards. Im currently watching this game in real time.

He was phenomenal last night no doubt.

[Wizop]

I'd be willing to move CJ Miles to make time for GRIII.