This is the Ibaka we were supposed to get

Orlwillbeback · Post #1 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:17 am

He's not 27

Watch on YouTube

Skin · Post #2 » by **Skin** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:25 am

Soooo you're saying we can sign him for cheap this summer? Preach on brother!
:rockon:

Jstock12 · Post #3 » by **Jstock12** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:27 am

Those are some amazing athletic plays. But they're more like eye-candy than anything else. Ibaka was going for a block on every single possible shot in those years (same as Whiteside), which is not an intelligent defense. Blocks is a useless stat. You can average 3 blocks a game and be a horrid rim protector. All that matters is DFG%.

SHAQ32 · Post #4 » by **SHAQ32** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:31 am

27 or 35, either way he's been trash.

Edual · Post #5 » by **Edual** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:44 am

Jstock12 wrote:3 blocks a game and be a horrid rim protector

True, id rather have 3 blocks a game and be a horrid rim protector, instead of 0 blocks a game and still a horrid rim protector

Orlwillbeback · Post #6 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:50 am

Edual wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:3 blocks a game and be a horrid rim protector

True, id rather have 3 blocks a game and be a horrid rim protector, instead of 0 blocks a game and still a horrid rim protector

Agreed

More fun that way

Orlwillbeback · Post #7 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:51 am

Skin wrote:Soooo you're saying we can sign him for cheap this summer? Preach on brother!

Well that is a bright side I suppose!

sportsrock37 · Post #8 » by **sportsrock37** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:32 am

Oladipo has a 10.3 PER. Sabonis 11.3 PER. Ibaka 16.3 PER. Talk as much **** about Ibaka as you want, because he has been very disappointing, but he's starting A LOT better than Oladipo has done for OKC.

JF5 · Post #9 » by **JF5** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 5:48 am

sportsrock37 wrote:Oladipo has a 10.3 PER. Sabonis 11.3 PER. Ibaka 16.3 PER. Talk as much **** about Ibaka as you want, because he has been very disappointing, but he's starting A LOT better than Oladipo has done for OKC.

At least the Thunder are 6-1...

Ibaka is putting up that per on a bad squad...

sportsrock37 · Post #10 » by **sportsrock37** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:00 am

JF5 wrote:
sportsrock37 wrote:Oladipo has a 10.3 PER. Sabonis 11.3 PER. Ibaka 16.3 PER. Talk as much **** about Ibaka as you want, because he has been very disappointing, but he's starting A LOT better than Oladipo has done for OKC.

At least the Thunder are 6-1...

Ibaka is putting up that per on a bad squad...

Haha. Got it. My bad, Dipo would have solved all of the problems that we are currently having right now. With him we'd be 7-0. Worst trade EVER! Am I doing it right? We should trade 16.7 PER AG for 9.8 PER Richard Jefferson because he's on a winning team and AG is on a bad team.

Since when is 3-4 with 3 road losses to probable playoff teams constitute a bad squad? I had us at 4-3 right now with a win vs Miami and all the other results the exact same. The way we have lost is concerning, but did anyone really have us at better than 4-3 at this point in the year? It'll take time to gel.

This comment isn't directed solely at you, but it's almost like you guys would rather us of lost the 3 games we won just so you could say "I told you so" even more than you are right now when we aren't a bad team. Are you guys really going to do this after every loss this year? How is that fun to follow a team that makes you so angry?

ORL_on_FIRE · Post #11 » by **ORL_on_FIRE** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:02 am

My mans defense has slipped.

JF5 · Post #12 » by **JF5** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:54 am

sportsrock37 wrote:
JF5 wrote:
sportsrock37 wrote:Oladipo has a 10.3 PER. Sabonis 11.3 PER. Ibaka 16.3 PER. Talk as much **** about Ibaka as you want, because he has been very disappointing, but he's starting A LOT better than Oladipo has done for OKC.

At least the Thunder are 6-1...

Ibaka is putting up that per on a bad squad...

Haha. Got it. My bad, Dipo would have solved all of the problems that we are currently having right now. With him we'd be 7-0. Worst trade EVER! Am I doing it right? We should trade 16.7 PER AG for 9.8 PER Richard Jefferson because he's on a winning team and AG is on a bad team.

Since when is 3-4 with 3 road losses to probable playoff teams constitute a bad squad? I had us at 4-3 right now with a win vs Miami and all the other results the exact same. The way we have lost is concerning, but did anyone really have us at better than 4-3 at this point in the year? It'll take time to gel.

This comment isn't directed solely at you, but it's almost like you guys would rather us of lost the 3 games we won just so you could say "I told you so" even more than you are right now when we aren't a bad team. Are you guys really going to do this after every loss this year? How is that fun to follow a team that makes you so angry?

1. I didn't say that... I'm saying even though Oladipo's per is low it doesn't mean him and Ibaka are on the same level at this point. Eye test wise its easy see that as well as Ibaka thus far has been atrocious.

2. 3-4... 2 of those wins are from a Sixers team that is 0-6, and a John Wall-less Washington team that is 1-5. Not adding the fact that the Magic were trailing against both teams by double digits at various points of each game, to which they had to come back and defeat them in the final minutes. At least for the Kings they were beating throughout... This team has been down double digits in every single game besides the Sacramento game, and you're saying its not concerning until now?

And that "needs some time to gel" phrase is crap. Everyone in the NBA is trying to get their **** together with new guys/schemes. And even if the Magic do "gel", are we assuming other teams won't do the same? Losing by 15-20 on a nightly basis is just unacceptable... no matter how you excuse it.

Bergmaniac · Post #13 » by **Bergmaniac** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 9:05 am

He's not 27

He must've aged incredibly fast over the summer then since he looked way better only six months ago during the playoffs. All of his stats show this, this for example - http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201586/tracking/defense/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs . He wasn't as spectacular as in 2012, but he was a very effective defender.

In the 2015/16 regular season opponents shot 43.6 at the rim when Ibaka was defending those shots. This year that percentage is 63.3%. Small sample size and all, but this is a huge difference. He is been downright terrible at protecting the rim.

RookieStar · Post #14 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 9:38 am

Sooo.... is everyone saying that instead of getting a unicorn, we got ourselves a lemon?

Orlwillbeback · Post #15 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 9:48 am

Bergmaniac wrote:
He's not 27

He must've aged incredibly fast over the summer then since he looked way better only six months ago during the playoffs. All of his stats show this, this for example - http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201586/tracking/defense/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs . He wasn't as spectacular as in 2012, but he was a very effective defender.

In the 2015/16 regular season opponents shot 43.6 at the rim when Ibaka was defending those shots. This year that percentage is 63.3%. Small sample size and all, but this is a huge difference. He is been downright terrible at protecting the rim.

All you need to look at is his decline in blocks and fg% over the past few years for entire seasons.

The playoffs was a small sample, and even then he was probably shot up full of PEDs at the time.

Bergmaniac · Post #16 » by **Bergmaniac** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:02 am

With every OKC game I watch this season I get more mad ot Hennigan for giving them Domantas Sabonis in the Ibaka trade. The guy is really talented and is already contributing on a good team. He can shoot the 3, he already has a nice post game and plays solid D (he gets whistled for a lot of fouls but a lot of them are BS ones given because NBA refs hate rookies). And he is a very good passer for a big.

pepe1991 · Post #17 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:04 am

It doesn't even matter is he 27 or 33,what matters is fact that he has no leaping ability left in him, lost lot of mobility and plays horrific defense. He is also bad rebounder for years now and guy can't pass to save his life

Orlwillbeback · Post #18 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:14 am

pepe1991 wrote:It doesn't even matter is he 27 or 33,what matters is fact that he has no leaping ability left in him, lost lot of mobility and plays horrific defense. He is also bad rebounder for years now and guy can't pass to save his life

Age has a lot to do with that

pepe1991 · Post #19 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:23 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:It doesn't even matter is he 27 or 33,what matters is fact that he has no leaping ability left in him, lost lot of mobility and plays horrific defense. He is also bad rebounder for years now and guy can't pass to save his life

Age has a lot to do with that

You can still be good at age of 32 (Look Lebron, he is turning 33 in few months) ,problem is his real life decline that nobody can hide. Sure ,if he is 27 he will get max deal, if he is 33 he won't , but i'm not talking about salary situation but his playing right now. He simply isn't worth max deals, he isn't worth of big money since 2013.

pepe1991 · Post #20 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Nov 8, 2016 10:32 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:It doesn't even matter is he 27 or 33,what matters is fact that he has no leaping ability left in him, lost lot of mobility and plays horrific defense. He is also bad rebounder for years now and guy can't pass to save his life

Age has a lot to do with that

You can still be good at age of 32 (Look Lebron, he is turning 33 in few months) ,problem is his real life decline that nobody can hide. Sure ,if he is 27 he will get max deal, if he is 33 he won't , but i'm not talking about salary situation but his playing right now. He simply isn't worth max deals, he isn't worth of big money since 2013.