Harrison Barnes

[feyki]

He has surprised me with his mid range game . Really interesting to see Worthy in him .

In college he had a prettygood mid range game, but since he was never asked to do a whole lot offensively with the warriors it wasn't really showcased

So , first MIP from Mavs ?

[BIG FURB]

He has surprised me with his mid range game . Really interesting to see Worthy in him .

In college he had a prettygood mid range game, but since he was never asked to do a whole lot offensively with the warriors it wasn't really showcased

So , first MIP from Mavs ?

Not making any predictions, just gonna sit back and enjoy watching his development. He's finally getting a chance to be as good a player as he can be in this league. He was never gonna do that in Golden state, too many better players ahead of him, they really didn't need him to be all he can be. But for your teams sake I hope he's at least in the runnings for MIP, y'all are lacking in quality young pieces to build around once Dirk is gone. Hopefully Barnes can be the start of that for you

[Suka Bongcic]

I felt that the stat line looked better than what his actual impact was through most of the game. You didn't feel his presence in the game for a long period (in fact, I even felt Carlisle had him on the bench longer because of that), but I'm very glad he hit some big shots there and it really should build his confidence.

One thing he has to look at is that he can't bail out the smaller defenders on him. He had at least two plays where he could have posted them up deep inside and instead settled for tougher shots. He had zero free throws.

There's also this thing about his body language. Whether things are going well or badly, he pretty much never changes. I hope he does develop more of a more mean attitude. He needs to be Aminuesque. In this team, he really has to bring a ton of energy, fly around and be physical.

I kind of hate the fact that it seems we'll be dealing with all this scrutiny. There's this hilarious topic (went over 10 pages over pre-season stats!) and it seems it will be bumped regularly during the season.

All things considered, it was a very good debut game.

I think part of the reason we only saw him in spurts is because he barely touched the ball in the 2nd qtr. He was the best player in the 1st and 3rd and the end of the 4th (when it was already game over). Dwill and barea didn't really look his way when they drove lane and dished. All of his points game on 1on1 if I remember correctly.

He stays away from contact with the ball in his hand. He rarely tries to draw fouls because he NEVER finishes when there's contact and refs rarely call fouls his shots where there's a little contact.

He's not an emotional player. You'll rarely, if ever see him get fired up. He'll never be mean or a high energy guy. Just effort. Lots of frustrating moments too. Good to see that he got his midrange game going. It's always been his bread and butter. I'm hoping he can get better results in his pots game. He has great footwork and can get himself into position for clean looks. He just needs to finish better in the post. 1 turnover for 23 shots is pretty impressive (although most were pull up J's). It was the best game I've seen him play since college. Don't expect that every night. It won't happen.

Off topic: I think Seth curry sucks and should get zero pt. He's lucky to be in the NBA IMO.

[feyki]

In college he had a prettygood mid range game, but since he was never asked to do a whole lot offensively with the warriors it wasn't really showcased

So , first MIP from Mavs ?

Not making any predictions, just gonna sit back and enjoy watching his development. He's finally getting a chance to be as good a player as he can be in this league. He was never gonna do that in Golden state, too many better players ahead of him, they really didn't need him to be all he can be. But for your teams sake I hope he's at least in the runnings for MIP, y'all are lacking in quality young pieces to build around once Dirk is gone. Hopefully Barnes can be the start of that for you

Honestly , I don't want to think Dirk's retirement right now . We didn't rebuild well after Dirk's surgery , like didn't build the contender team around him in his prime . Mayo/Collison , Ellis and then Parsons . Failed , one word .

Only idea in my mind , building a great team with Dirk . After Dirk , the team would've no chance to get a ring . Or even write a good story .

[Mr B]

So , first MIP from Mavs ?

Not making any predictions, just gonna sit back and enjoy watching his development. He's finally getting a chance to be as good a player as he can be in this league. He was never gonna do that in Golden state, too many better players ahead of him, they really didn't need him to be all he can be. But for your teams sake I hope he's at least in the runnings for MIP, y'all are lacking in quality young pieces to build around once Dirk is gone. Hopefully Barnes can be the start of that for you

Honestly , I don't want to think Dirk's retirement right now . We didn't rebuild well after Dirk's surgery , like didn't build the contender team around him in his prime . Mayo/Collison , Ellis and then Parsons . Failed , one word .

Only idea in my mind , building a great team with Dirk . After Dirk , the team would've no chance to get a ring . Or even write a good story .

After Dirk retires I expect to see a lot of the guys in the team traded for draft picks. Cuban would never tank while Dirk is still playing however once he's gone all bets are off.

[feyki]

Not making any predictions, just gonna sit back and enjoy watching his development. He's finally getting a chance to be as good a player as he can be in this league. He was never gonna do that in Golden state, too many better players ahead of him, they really didn't need him to be all he can be. But for your teams sake I hope he's at least in the runnings for MIP, y'all are lacking in quality young pieces to build around once Dirk is gone. Hopefully Barnes can be the start of that for you

Honestly , I don't want to think Dirk's retirement right now . We didn't rebuild well after Dirk's surgery , like didn't build the contender team around him in his prime . Mayo/Collison , Ellis and then Parsons . Failed , one word .

Only idea in my mind , building a great team with Dirk . After Dirk , the team would've no chance to get a ring . Or even write a good story .

After Dirk retires I expect to see a lot of the guys in the team traded for draft picks. Cuban would never tank while Dirk is still playing however once he's gone all bets are off.

Exactly .

[Dirk]

I think part of the reason we only saw him in spurts is because he barely touched the ball in the 2nd qtr. He was the best player in the 1st and 3rd and the end of the 4th (when it was already game over). Dwill and barea didn't really look his way when they drove lane and dished. All of his points game on 1on1 if I remember correctly.

He stays away from contact with the ball in his hand. He rarely tries to draw fouls because he NEVER finishes when there's contact and refs rarely call fouls his shots where there's a little contact.

He's not an emotional player. You'll rarely, if ever see him get fired up. He'll never be mean or a high energy guy. Just effort. Lots of frustrating moments too. Good to see that he got his midrange game going. It's always been his bread and butter. I'm hoping he can get better results in his pots game. He has great footwork and can get himself into position for clean looks. He just needs to finish better in the post. 1 turnover for 23 shots is pretty impressive (although most were pull up J's). It was the best game I've seen him play since college. Don't expect that every night. It won't happen.

Off topic: I think Seth curry sucks and should get zero pt. He's lucky to be in the NBA IMO.

You know, the Mavs have been a team that plays with a lot of flow, ball movement... and they have struggled not only this year but last year, because they no longer have a Monta Ellis type player who setup a lot of that as well as guys like Chandler and Wright who were always a thread in pnr. That created a lot of space. Last year they had Pachulia and this year Bogut and the offense has been a lot more stagnant. In this game vs Rockets, it was almost Williams iso and then Barnes iso. And that hasn't been the Mavs nature. But I suppose it can be and/or has to be with this line-up, they have to slow the game down. It will have be much more of a grinding style I guess.

I saw videos of team USA workouts and ironically Barnes was very impressive on 1 on 1, because of shots like the ones he was hitting against the Rockets, he looked very fluid and as if he could get those shots anytime. But I think for him to take a next step offensively, he really will have to be even more aggressive and welcome contact. Draw a lot more fouls. You've seen this team play now. The Mavs badly need him to be physical.

This post (previous page) was a really good read, maye this explains why he always looked kind of awkward moving to me:

Barnes' weaknesses mainly come from re-adjusting after injuries and a lack of hip flexibility. Due to his lack of hip flexibility, his ability to create will always be limited as it is predictable where he is going when he does try to create.

I have also seen questions about his balance and touch (around the rim, floaters). He had a couple of nice baskets there as well, one on an and 1.

It's funny how things work. I honestly just want the guy to be a solid role player. Defend. Hit open shots at a good rate. Then you see him do that, nothing but net, and you get excited that maybe he can actually be a go to option and who knows what else ah. If he falls somewhere between these two things we won't have any questions about his price hopefully.

I am not sure about Curry. The guy is supposed to be instant offense out of the bench. Hasn't been able to do that. Has picked up fouls at an alarming rate. Only two games though. Hard to tell. He was part of a unit that made a 4th quarter run against the Pacers. The Mavs often are running on fumes and they badly need this guy to be good enough to handle the ball and shoot well. There's not much else really.

[2011Champs]

Curry should be no surprise. There is a reason he is 26 and teams have no interest in him other than Dallas. Dallas signed Seth hoping that would create goodwill with Steph come free agency, same deal with Cousins.

Back to the subject, hopefully Barnes will continue to build off these performances and eventually lead to some wins. I'm very cautiously optimistic because I feel he could easily slip back into preseason form at any time.

[Texas Chuck]

Curry should be no surprise. There is a reason he is 26 and teams have no interest in him other than Dallas. Dallas signed Seth hoping that would create goodwill with Steph come free agency, same deal with Cousins.

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Yes to Cousins. No to Curry. Steph is never ever coming here and Dallas knows that. They signed him based on his 2nd half with the Kings last year where he was a useful bench piece.


I think we all need to be careful not to overreact good or bad to anyone after two games.

[Mr B]

Curry should be no surprise. There is a reason he is 26 and teams have no interest in him other than Dallas. Dallas signed Seth hoping that would create goodwill with Steph come free agency, same deal with Cousins.

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Yes to Cousins. No to Curry. Steph is never ever coming here and Dallas knows that. They signed him based on his 2nd half with the Kings last year where he was a useful bench piece.


I think we all need to be careful not to overreact good or bad to anyone after two games.

Exactly

[2011Champs]

Curry should be no surprise. There is a reason he is 26 and teams have no interest in him other than Dallas. Dallas signed Seth hoping that would create goodwill with Steph come free agency, same deal with Cousins.

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Yes to Cousins. No to Curry. Steph is never ever coming here and Dallas knows that. They signed him based on his 2nd half with the Kings last year where he was a useful bench piece.


I think we all need to be careful not to overreact good or bad to anyone after two games.

Exactly

Well it's at least time to react and adjust to come out ready to win those first quarters whether its adjusting players we already have or finding help. Mavs can't win if they constantly lose first quarters every game.

[kaiballz]

really good to see HB ballin so well, i knew he had potential to be a star! dude is clutch as heck

[2011Champs]

really good to see HB ballin so well, i knew he had potential to be a star! dude is clutch as heck

I really like Barnes at starting PF.
I think it's time to move Dirk to the bench as situational backup PF/C. 38 years old Dirk with a sore Achilles doesn't need to to starting this season not if he really wants to play a 20th season also. Save Dirk while putting our new cornerstone in a situation where he can flourish.

[Mr B]

really good to see HB ballin so well, i knew he had potential to be a star! dude is clutch as heck

I really like Barnes at starting PF.
I think it's time to move Dirk to the bench as situational backup PF/C. 38 years old Dirk with a sore Achilles doesn't need to to starting this season not if he really wants to play a 20th season also. Save Dirk while putting our new cornerstone in a situation where he can flourish.

I agree with that. At this stage of his career Dirk has no business starting and playing heavy minutes. Start Barnes at PF and give him a ton of shots. Let him earn that contract.

[Dirk]

Barnes heard the rumblings about being sent down to the D-League and that lit a fire under him..

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Well, after reading so much about him not being able to handle the ball, I was surprised with his dribbling and driving. Great finishes with the left hand. He beat Parker and Giannis off the dribble. Considering that this is a work in progress, how awful the pre-season was, this has been a phenomenal start. There are very encouraging signs that the guy can really become a machine out of that triple threat position. This has been just as good as start as anyone could imagine for someone thought of as being strictly a role player and limited in his moves. While he will have his struggles, hopefully this isn't just an hot streak.

The interesting thing is that I haven't got the sense that he has even been featured that much, force fed the ball (usage % 23) (it feels they forget him for parts of the game). Unlike Matthews who has taken a ton of ill advised shots, Barnes has always been more in control. They need to scale down on the plays where Matthews ends up with the ball having to do something and design the offense more to allow Barnes to develop, even if it hurts his efficiency, this is really the biggest thing about this season, developing the young guys and Barnes has bee showing that he can be more than advertised as far as an offensive option goes.

[Texas Chuck]

really good to see HB ballin so well, i knew he had potential to be a star! dude is clutch as heck

I really like Barnes at starting PF.
I think it's time to move Dirk to the bench as situational backup PF/C. 38 years old Dirk with a sore Achilles doesn't need to to starting this season not if he really wants to play a 20th season also. Save Dirk while putting our new cornerstone in a situation where he can flourish.

I agree with that. At this stage of his career Dirk has no business starting and playing heavy minutes. Start Barnes at PF and give him a ton of shots. Let him earn that contract.

We all know this is never ever going to happen. Plus with Dirk's minutes limited plus Rick using him at center, Barnes is going to spend most of his minutes at PF anyway.

Just goes to show what a terrible decision giving Powell all that money was.

[Mr B]

I really like Barnes at starting PF.
I think it's time to move Dirk to the bench as situational backup PF/C. 38 years old Dirk with a sore Achilles doesn't need to to starting this season not if he really wants to play a 20th season also. Save Dirk while putting our new cornerstone in a situation where he can flourish.

I agree with that. At this stage of his career Dirk has no business starting and playing heavy minutes. Start Barnes at PF and give him a ton of shots. Let him earn that contract.

We all know this is never ever going to happen. Plus with Dirk's minutes limited plus Rick using him at center, Barnes is going to spend most of his minutes at PF anyway.

Just goes to show what a terrible decision giving Powell all that money was.

I don't think it was a mistake to give Powell that money. In the overall NBA landscape he really doesn't make that much. Worst case scenario his contract is very tradable.

[RGM_SU]

Can't complain about his work ethic:

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[Texas Chuck]

Can't complain about his work ethic:

He's a smart kid. You come to a team led by Dirk and the best thing you could possibly do would be to put in the work. I think one of the reasons Dirk never fully embraced Parsons was because Parsons loved the life as much as the game.


and hey good on Barnes. Took lots of heat in GSW particularly that last series he played with them, really struggled to shoot in the preseason, is being asked to do way more than he expected and has performed admirably by any measures. And he's done a lot of things everyone insisted he couldn't in terms of putting the ball on the floor and attacking.

I wasn't for the signing, but his attitude and work ethic are starting to really bring me around.

[Mr B]

I think if they continue to feed him the ball and he's getting heavy minutes he's going to get better.