The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[truth18]

Hoping for a Chicago implosion and then a Jaylen-based package for Jimmy Butler, followed up by a trade for Bogut.

IT/AB/Butler/Crowder/Horford
Rozier/Smart/KO/Bogut

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hoping for a Chicago implosion and then a Jaylen-based package for Jimmy Butler, followed up by a trade for Bogut.

IT/AB/Butler/Crowder/Horford
Rozier/Smart/KO/Bogut

That's not a contending team, ffs.

[Edug27]

Hoping for a Chicago implosion and then a Jaylen-based package for Jimmy Butler, followed up by a trade for Bogut.

IT/AB/Butler/Crowder/Horford
Rozier/Smart/KO/Bogut

That's not a contending team, ffs.

You can't have Crowder at the 4. Just not going to happen. In spurts, sure. Also, the Bulls aren't trading Butler. We had that chance during the draft. Time to move on. You don't sign Wade and then rebuild. If you want an all star caliber player, then Bradley has to go. And quite frankly, I'm OK with that. A Bradley/Hayward swap is the best option IF Danny is desperate for a move. Throw in fillers where needed. Then you hope Philly gets desperate and you can move Noel for Rozier and other fillers.

IT / Smart
Hayward / Green
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Noel / Mickey

... That, my friends, is a roster that can give Cleveland an interesting series. Hayward provides Boston with another player who can create their own shot. Noel is a player who you hope can become the next Tristan Thompson type player. Pairs well with Horford. Smart becomes the PG off the bench, which he currently already is... As he does more of the ballhandling rather than Rozier. Rozier would blend nice with Simmons. Danny would have to break the bank for Noel and Hayward soon though. But both are young.

All a perfect world in which none of this is realistic.

[Avalanche]

We need front court reinforcements, toughness/size/athleticism... at least 2 out of 3

those kinds of players can change momentum of games entirely, and we don't have one

[Slartibartfast]

That's not a contending team, ffs.

You can't have Crowder at the 4. Just not going to happen. In spurts, sure. Also, the Bulls aren't trading Butler. We had that chance during the draft. Time to move on. You don't sign Wade and then rebuild. If you want an all star caliber player, then Bradley has to go. And quite frankly, I'm OK with that. A Bradley/Hayward swap is the best option IF Danny is desperate for a move. Throw in fillers where needed. Then you hope Philly gets desperate and you can move Noel for Rozier and other fillers.

IT / Smart
Hayward / Green
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Noel / Mickey

... That, my friends, is a roster that can give Cleveland an interesting series. Hayward provides Boston with another player who can create their own shot. Noel is a player who you hope can become the next Tristan Thompson type player. Pairs well with Horford. Smart becomes the PG off the bench, which he currently already is... As he does more of the ballhandling rather than Rozier. Rozier would blend nice with Simmons. Danny would have to break the bank for Noel and Hayward soon though. But both are young.

All a perfect world in which none of this is realistic.

Trading Bradley and keeping Jaylen is not a win-now move. A team with Green/Brown as the wing reserves and Mickey as the bench 5 isn't going to have Cleveland shaking.

And Crowder at the 4 will work if we have legitimate talent 1-3. It's the same principle GSW used with Barnes at the 4. Defensive quickness 1-5, with Bogut as an alternate when they needed to rebound and match-up with size.

[skywalker33]

And there's the truth of it, but don't we all......

Well, 4-4 in the preseason, if we do that in the regular season we'll definitely be in playoff contention. We played well against the anticipated playoff teams.

Yeah, I guess so.

Sky walker, I've defended you before, I think the Nuggets have a nice collection of young talent, like Orlando last year. And they're very raw, but have a lot of upside. That said, you've got to be realistic- not all thes guys are going to pan out, first of all. We traded Gerald Green and Sebastian Telfair in a package for Al Jefferson...

And Denver's MO the last few years has been to hoard good prospects, and trade some... But for a team with enviable depth (Gallo, Chandler, Barton??), you aren't winning much.

McCeltic, don't think I don't appreciate you being one of the only C's fan to acknowledge the talent the Nuggets have been acquiring. However, Nurkic has been improving immensely after recovering from injury in the latter part of his rookie year. Last year was part of his recovery period so it was really a throw-away IMO. But this year he dropped 35lbs, is in the great shape and is averaging 16/10/2....and he's only 21. It's very UNREALISTIC to give up on him while he's still on his rookie deal while putting up those kinda numbers in just 25MPG

And Denver's MO to trade talent ??? Only real talent we've trade is Lauvergne and trading the 55th pick for two future 2nds is a good trade IMO, while also opening minutes for better talent (Jokic, Nurkic, Hernangomez. etc) makes it a great trade, even a no-brainer IMO.

[GrandTheftRondo]

That's not a contending team, ffs.

You can't have Crowder at the 4. Just not going to happen. In spurts, sure. Also, the Bulls aren't trading Butler. We had that chance during the draft. Time to move on. You don't sign Wade and then rebuild. If you want an all star caliber player, then Bradley has to go. And quite frankly, I'm OK with that. A Bradley/Hayward swap is the best option IF Danny is desperate for a move. Throw in fillers where needed. Then you hope Philly gets desperate and you can move Noel for Rozier and other fillers.

IT / Smart
Hayward / Green
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Noel / Mickey

... That, my friends, is a roster that can give Cleveland an interesting series. Hayward provides Boston with another player who can create their own shot. Noel is a player who you hope can become the next Tristan Thompson type player. Pairs well with Horford. Smart becomes the PG off the bench, which he currently already is... As he does more of the ballhandling rather than Rozier. Rozier would blend nice with Simmons. Danny would have to break the bank for Noel and Hayward soon though. But both are young.

All a perfect world in which none of this is realistic.

That team isn't beating Cleveland either. That's just being straight up delusional. Hayward is not a shooting guard. Trading Bradley and we're left with nobody to defend Kyrie. LeBron would also have a field day against that team, I'm sorry.

The only way we're beating Cleveland is in the unlikely scenario that we can somehow land a superstar like Davis in the future, or the Nets picks turn out to be gold with Jaylen and the two other guys drafted being studs.

You don't win in the NBA without having a superstar. The only example I can think of that proved this wrong was the 2004 Pistons, and they had a super defensive team, and Chauncey Billups who would be better than anyone on this team right now, including Thomas.

[Edug27]

That's not a contending team, ffs.

You can't have Crowder at the 4. Just not going to happen. In spurts, sure. Also, the Bulls aren't trading Butler. We had that chance during the draft. Time to move on. You don't sign Wade and then rebuild. If you want an all star caliber player, then Bradley has to go. And quite frankly, I'm OK with that. A Bradley/Hayward swap is the best option IF Danny is desperate for a move. Throw in fillers where needed. Then you hope Philly gets desperate and you can move Noel for Rozier and other fillers.

IT / Smart
Hayward / Green
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Noel / Mickey

... That, my friends, is a roster that can give Cleveland an interesting series. Hayward provides Boston with another player who can create their own shot. Noel is a player who you hope can become the next Tristan Thompson type player. Pairs well with Horford. Smart becomes the PG off the bench, which he currently already is... As he does more of the ballhandling rather than Rozier. Rozier would blend nice with Simmons. Danny would have to break the bank for Noel and Hayward soon though. But both are young.

All a perfect world in which none of this is realistic.

The only way we're beating Cleveland is in the unlikely scenario that we can somehow land a superstar like Davis in the future, or the Nets picks turn out to be gold with Jaylen and the two other guys drafted being studs.

Which is not happening whatsoever. So I guess we give up then. And let Bradley "guard" Kyrie as Kyrie goes off for 30+ each game. Makes sense.

[ddb]

Pelies are 0-7. That team is horrible. Granted they really don't NEED to move Anthony Davis because he is under contract and only 23 years old, but why not hit the reset button and bottom out completely? Davis could net them a major haul. For example, see trade below. Works in tracker once Zeller becomes eligible to be dealt.

Anthony Davis & Omer Asik to Boston for Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Rights to Yabu (or Zizic) both BK picks.

Why for NOP? Because they land some major pieces for their future. Jaylen Brown, both BK's, rights to Yabu or Zizic, plus Rozier. Amir/Zeller can both come off their books at the end of the season. Maybe they can flip 1 or both of these guys for additional assets later in the season. NOP also offloads Asik's contract which has 4 years left on it.

Why for Boston? For obvious reasons. The whole point of stock piling assets is to eventually flip some/or all of them for an All-Star talent. Boston has been patient. and they don't NEED to move their picks and JBrown...They could grow organically along with adding pieces in free agency like they did with Horford. both avenues could work. But the opportunity to acquire a superstar like Davis couldn't be passes up. I'd love the package above and go to war with a rotation like this:

Thomas-Bradley-Crowder-Davis-Horford
Bench: Smart-Green-Jonas-KO-Asik
Jackson-Young-Mickey.

likelihood of happening is very slim. but technically it could happen and actually make sense for both sides

[Edug27]

AD is in the first year of his new deal. New Orleans is just happy to have a team there. We are at least 3-4 years away from any Davis trade talks... Now if Jaylen was putting up 18ppg as a 20 year old rookie, then he'd be a more attractive piece. For now, everyone is just waiting on him to develop. He's just another body with potential at this point.

[Kolkmania]

Pelies are 0-7. That team is horrible. Granted they really don't NEED to move Anthony Davis because he is under contract and only 23 years old, but why not hit the reset button and bottom out completely? Davis could net them a major haul. For example, see trade below. Works in tracker once Zeller becomes eligible to be dealt.

Anthony Davis & Omer Asik to Boston for Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller, Rights to Yabu (or Zizic) both BK picks.

Why for NOP? Because they land some major pieces for their future. Jaylen Brown, both BK's, rights to Yabu or Zizic, plus Rozier. Amir/Zeller can both come off their books at the end of the season. Maybe they can flip 1 or both of these guys for additional assets later in the season. NOP also offloads Asik's contract which has 4 years left on it.

Why for Boston? For obvious reasons. The whole point of stock piling assets is to eventually flip some/or all of them for an All-Star talent. Boston has been patient. and they don't NEED to move their picks and JBrown...They could grow organically along with adding pieces in free agency like they did with Horford. both avenues could work. But the opportunity to acquire a superstar like Davis couldn't be passes up. I'd love the package above and go to war with a rotation like this:

Thomas-Bradley-Crowder-Davis-Horford
Bench: Smart-Green-Jonas-KO-Asik
Jackson-Young-Mickey.

likelihood of happening is very slim. but technically it could happen and actually make sense for both sides

The whole point of acquiring high draft picks is the possibility of getting a superstar. So why would NO get rid of one of the youngest superstars in the NBA to get a slim chance(!) of drafting another while Davis is still under contract till at least 2020.

It's a shame that a talent like Davis is wasted, that FO is a complete mess.

[ddb]

AD is in the first year of his new deal. New Orleans is just happy to have a team there. We are at least 3-4 years away from any Davis trade talks... Now if Jaylen was putting up 18ppg as a 20 year old rookie, then he'd be a more attractive piece. For now, everyone is just waiting on him to develop. He's just another body with potential at this point.

no, I totally get it. NOP really doesn't have any reason to move Davis at this point unless they are blown away with an offer. On the flip side, Davis' value is sky high right now, and he hasn't exactly been the most durable player in the league thus far. NOP needs a lot more then just Davis to become a good team. What exactly is their plan? By doing this deal with Boston they could end up with 5 legit players.

-2017 draft (Fultz)--Heild-JBrown-Yabu- 2018 draft (Ayton)-Rozier

Hornets dealt CP3 as a young star which lead to Davis ironically enough.

Minny traded away a young star in Kevin Love which led to Wiggins and eventually Towns because of the path they took

LAkers dealt Shaq and received Odom & pieces which helped contribute to 2 titles with Kobe.

It's not like trading stars is out of the ordinary. Nuggets traded Melo. Jazz traded DWilliams.

Sometimes trading your star is the best path to restructuring the roster....

[Green89]

It will be interesting to see if Washington goes into reset/reload mode this season. A few more losses and they may consider it. John Wall is not playing in back to backs right now, so there isn't a lot of upside to them just standing pat.

[Edug27]

AD is in the first year of his new deal. New Orleans is just happy to have a team there. We are at least 3-4 years away from any Davis trade talks... Now if Jaylen was putting up 18ppg as a 20 year old rookie, then he'd be a more attractive piece. For now, everyone is just waiting on him to develop. He's just another body with potential at this point.

no, I totally get it. NOP really doesn't have any reason to move Davis at this point unless they are blown away with an offer. On the flip side, Davis' value is sky high right now, and he hasn't exactly been the most durable player in the league thus far. NOP needs a lot more then just Davis to become a good team. What exactly is their plan? By doing this deal with Boston they could end up with 5 legit players.

-2017 draft (Fultz)--Heild-JBrown-Yabu- 2018 draft (Ayton)-Rozier

Hornets dealt CP3 as a young star which lead to Davis ironically enough.

Minny traded away a young star in Kevin Love which led to Wiggins and eventually Towns because of the path they took

LAkers dealt Shaq and received Odom & pieces which helped contribute to 2 titles with Kobe.

It's not like trading stars is out of the ordinary. Nuggets traded Melo. Jazz traded DWilliams.

Sometimes trading your star is the best path to restructuring the roster....

It's all about timing. Towards the end of AD's current deal, if NO fears resigning him, they will move him. Otherwise you keep him because fans pay to see him. Same with Cousins.

[GrandTheftRondo]

You can't have Crowder at the 4. Just not going to happen. In spurts, sure. Also, the Bulls aren't trading Butler. We had that chance during the draft. Time to move on. You don't sign Wade and then rebuild. If you want an all star caliber player, then Bradley has to go. And quite frankly, I'm OK with that. A Bradley/Hayward swap is the best option IF Danny is desperate for a move. Throw in fillers where needed. Then you hope Philly gets desperate and you can move Noel for Rozier and other fillers.

IT / Smart
Hayward / Green
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Olynyk
Noel / Mickey

... That, my friends, is a roster that can give Cleveland an interesting series. Hayward provides Boston with another player who can create their own shot. Noel is a player who you hope can become the next Tristan Thompson type player. Pairs well with Horford. Smart becomes the PG off the bench, which he currently already is... As he does more of the ballhandling rather than Rozier. Rozier would blend nice with Simmons. Danny would have to break the bank for Noel and Hayward soon though. But both are young.

All a perfect world in which none of this is realistic.

The only way we're beating Cleveland is in the unlikely scenario that we can somehow land a superstar like Davis in the future, or the Nets picks turn out to be gold with Jaylen and the two other guys drafted being studs.

Which is not happening whatsoever. So I guess we give up then. And let Bradley "guard" Kyrie as Kyrie goes off for 30+ each game. Makes sense.

I would much rather us try and turn these Brooklyn picks + Brown into gold, then come up with a half arsed attempt at a contending team which is what that is.

Hayward really isn't all that better than Bradley, and again certainly isn't a two.

Patience is a virtue. I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time before a superstar demands a trade, and I think Danny is of this belief too.

Hayward isn't a superstar, nor is Noel.

[GrandTheftRondo]

AD is in the first year of his new deal. New Orleans is just happy to have a team there. We are at least 3-4 years away from any Davis trade talks... Now if Jaylen was putting up 18ppg as a 20 year old rookie, then he'd be a more attractive piece. For now, everyone is just waiting on him to develop. He's just another body with potential at this point.

no, I totally get it. NOP really doesn't have any reason to move Davis at this point unless they are blown away with an offer. On the flip side, Davis' value is sky high right now, and he hasn't exactly been the most durable player in the league thus far. NOP needs a lot more then just Davis to become a good team. What exactly is their plan? By doing this deal with Boston they could end up with 5 legit players.

-2017 draft (Fultz)--Heild-JBrown-Yabu- 2018 draft (Ayton)-Rozier

Hornets dealt CP3 as a young star which lead to Davis ironically enough.

Minny traded away a young star in Kevin Love which led to Wiggins and eventually Towns because of the path they took

LAkers dealt Shaq and received Odom & pieces which helped contribute to 2 titles with Kobe.

It's not like trading stars is out of the ordinary. Nuggets traded Melo. Jazz traded DWilliams.

Sometimes trading your star is the best path to restructuring the roster....

Davis has literally been the only thing going for that team since CP3 left.

That franchise would literally be on the verge of dying in New Orleans if they decided to trade away Davis at this stage.

Tyreke Evans and Jrue Holiday are soon to return and will provide a much needed boost, whether or not they stay healthy is another matter, but they add talent. Right now Davis is basically like Garnett in 2004 if Sprewell and Cassell went down. The team has literally had no continuity since their 2015 playoffs loss.

Davis is only in the beginning of a long deal, is still incredibly young and has a few injury concerns. There just isn't any chance the Pelicans aren't going all in with Davis for the next few years. The guy has the ability to be a Duncan or Garnett type talent as shown previously, they'd be nuts to trade him.

DeMarcus Cousins' situation in Sacramento is a lot more interesting. There's a guy slightly older, putting up with years of ineptness from two different owners playing on a team that hasn't made the playoffs once in his time there. Surely he cracks soon if things don't change. Whether or not we want him is another matter all together, but I think Cousins is a good example of a ticking timebomb. Davis just isn't at this stage. In 2-3 years I could see Davis wanting out if things don't change, however.

[Edug27]

The only way we're beating Cleveland is in the unlikely scenario that we can somehow land a superstar like Davis in the future, or the Nets picks turn out to be gold with Jaylen and the two other guys drafted being studs.

Which is not happening whatsoever. So I guess we give up then. And let Bradley "guard" Kyrie as Kyrie goes off for 30+ each game. Makes sense.

I would much rather us try and turn these Brooklyn picks + Brown into gold, then come up with a half arsed attempt at a contending team which is what that is.

Hayward really isn't all that better than Bradley, and again certainly isn't a two.

Patience is a virtue. I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time before a superstar demands a trade, and I think Danny is of this belief too.

Hayward isn't a superstar, nor is Noel.

1. Hayward is better than Bradley.
2. I never mentioned trading the BK picks in my scenarios.
3. You have to make a decision on Bradley sooner or later. His deal is ending after next season. Crowder is the longer term asset to be used in a trade for a "star". Bradley is likely to get paid star money soon.
4. Noel isn't a superstar... but he has potential to be a really good big man. And pairs really well with Horford.
5. I have no concerns with switching Hayward between the 3 and 2.

Moving Bradley for Hayward... and Rozier for Noel... May not be realistic, but it doesn't mean we aren't being patient.

[VeryMuchWoke]

People want to trade Jaylen? F*cking idiots.

[Curmudgeon]

People want to trade Jaylen? F*cking idiots.

Depends on what comes back. You wouldn't trade him for Kawai Leonard, Paul George or Klay Thompson? I would.

[Marvel]

People want to trade Jaylen? F*cking idiots.

I reckon the real idiots are the people who want to make a lateral move by trading AB for Noel/AB for Hayward.