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GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST

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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#161 » by ROballer » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:03 am

This minutes sharing **** needs to cease ...it can only work for so long.

You play your best players real starting minutes, PERIOD... that's how the world works.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#162 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:13 am

This game shows exactly how our season will go, we'll win a few then lose a few and its an uneven flow.

Until Jordan and D-Lo really improve their will to play stifling defense we will see games like this. Before this game Dallas was sucking on a tail pipe and looking awful on D especially from the 3 line. They were giving up near 40% from there. We still torched them from there but our defensive rebounding sucked.

Too many times they got second looks and easy tip outs of the ball.

But tonight was a weird night for a lot of teams...Cavs lost so did Minnesota who is the supposedly media darlings...same goes for Denver. So it's all good and hopefully the fellas learn a lesson...

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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#163 » by MrWaffles » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:19 am

ScHoolBoy B wrote:TRob over Anthony Brown was the wrong move...



Brown couldn't hit threes nor could he defend. We should've cut TRob and Brown and sign Gary Payton II

Jose and Marcelo are useless on the court for the most part.

Deng is completely done. I would love to know what other offers he got. Him and his agent probably wake up every morning laughing.

This roster isn't perfect, but it's all about developing the core and preparing for the future. Going to need to lose Mozgov and Deng to have a really good future , but that will be hard.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#164 » by BEazy » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:39 am

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:TRob over Anthony Brown was the wrong move...



Brown couldn't hit threes nor could he defend. We should've cut TRob and Brown and sign Gary Payton II

Jose and Marcelo are useless on the court for the most part.

Deng is completely done. I would love to know what other offers he got. Him and his agent probably wake up every morning laughing.

This roster isn't perfect, but it's all about developing the core and preparing for the future. Going to need to lose Mozgov and Deng to have a really good future , but that will be hard.


What's the point of having T Rob when all he does is foul? I would of given the opportunity to Brown to at least improve and work with the team. He had potential for playing defense. I mean it's better than having MWP out there also...

IMO Mozgov is proving his worth at least. Deng has been straight up trash for most of the games. Calderon is just useless. Huertas would or probably helped out with the ball movement but that's about it...
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#165 » by dipstick » Wed Nov 9, 2016 7:28 am

ROballer wrote:This minutes sharing **** needs to cease ...it can only work for so long.

You play your best players real starting minutes, PERIOD... that's how the world works.


I don't think its necessarily 100% correct, but I agree. You take a look at Dlo who has been struggling with his shot. However, he played relatively well vs. the Warriors and was given only 21 minutes. In this game, he was shooting well, but was put back a little bit too late and probably lost his groove.

It probably wasn't right for us to expect to win this game, or maybe this was the letdown that didn't happen after the warriors game. But this game shows that the players have to have more of an identity. We cannot wait for someone to say, ok its my turn, because on some nights, it won't be anyone's turn. But regardless of who's hot, we to have a player that we will look up to to score those important shots. Without that happening, nobody will try to create shots for themselves. Instead they will all try to play hero ball and try to hit desperation 3s.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#166 » by ROballer » Wed Nov 9, 2016 7:41 am

You can't have your pegged future star play less minutes than his rookie year, c'mon now...he played over 30 mins in two games, and his season high in minutes is 32.

Meanwhile the Suns are playing Devin Booker almost 40 a game, this while having quality guards like Bledsoe and Knight on the roster as well.

This is how he blossomed so early and so young ...by playing a lot. Like **** sometimes, but it didn't matter. When you're gonna see your 38-40 mins a game every single night, regardless of how you play, consistency will show at some point, and the ratio between bad games/good games will come around and point towards the latter eventually.

And as much as I'd hate to admit it, since I was advocating against him...you got to do the same thing with Randle as well.

These are the two best players on the team, the rest of the guys are just complimentary guys....YOU DON'T PLAY COMPLIMENTARY GUYS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MINUTES OR MORE, EVER!

Russell and Randle need to play 36-38 minutes every single game, barring foul trouble/injuries/blowout scenarios(which hasn't been the case)...we focus on player development over wins, yeah? This is per Walton.. then do your job, and make sure your future stars get to play a lot, cause this is the fastest and best way for player development.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#167 » by BEazy » Wed Nov 9, 2016 7:59 am

This day has ultimately sucked ass..
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#168 » by dipstick » Wed Nov 9, 2016 8:22 am

ROballer wrote:You can't have your pegged future star play less minutes than his rookie year, c'mon now...he played over 30 mins in two games, and his season high in minutes is 32.

Meanwhile the Suns are playing Devin Booker almost 40 a game, this while having quality guards like Bledsoe and Knight on the roster as well.

This is how he blossomed so early and so young ...by playing a lot. Like **** sometimes, but it didn't matter. When you're gonna see your 38-40 mins a game every single night, regardless of how you play, consistency will show at some point, and the ratio between bad games/good games will come around and point towards the latter eventually.

And as much as I'd hate to admit it, since I was advocating against him...you got to do the same thing with Randle as well.

These are the two best players on the team, the rest of the guys are just complimentary guys....YOU DON'T PLAY COMPLIMENTARY GUYS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MINUTES OR MORE, EVER!

Russell and Randle need to play 36-38 minutes every single game, barring foul trouble/injuries/blowout scenarios(which hasn't been the case)...we focus on player development over wins, yeah? This is per Walton.. then do your job, and make sure your future stars get to play a lot, cause this is the fastest and best way for player development.


If I wasn't clear, I was agreeing with You. Russell should get more than 25 minutes. I'm not really overly criticizing this move yet, but it seems like being on the 2nd unit gives you more opportunity to get more minutes. If 2nd unit is playing well, the first unit is **** out of luck even if they themselves were playing well. Again, not necessarily wrong but maybe wrong if you're developing talent.

However,36-38 minutes may be too much of a burden. I think around 32 (4 - 8 minute spurts) consistently should be good but more if the guy is playing really well.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#169 » by Crooked-I » Wed Nov 9, 2016 4:21 pm

I think this game reinforced how important Larry Nance is to this team.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#170 » by Kilroy » Wed Nov 9, 2016 4:45 pm

It's hard to maintain a streak and this is a young team that doesn't know anything about that yet... I think they were thinking about the next game on the road at the Kings...
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#171 » by MrWaffles » Wed Nov 9, 2016 4:54 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:
MrWaffles wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:TRob over Anthony Brown was the wrong move...



Brown couldn't hit threes nor could he defend. We should've cut TRob and Brown and sign Gary Payton II

Jose and Marcelo are useless on the court for the most part.

Deng is completely done. I would love to know what other offers he got. Him and his agent probably wake up every morning laughing.

This roster isn't perfect, but it's all about developing the core and preparing for the future. Going to need to lose Mozgov and Deng to have a really good future , but that will be hard.


What's the point of having T Rob when all he does is foul? I would of given the opportunity to Brown to at least improve and work with the team. He had potential for playing defense. I mean it's better than having MWP out there also...

IMO Mozgov is proving his worth at least. Deng has been straight up trash for most of the games. Calderon is just useless. Huertas would or probably helped out with the ball movement but that's about it...


Lakers the past few years have held onto players to long hoping they would blossom (Sacre, Kelly, Devin). They saw it didn't work for them and decided Brown would be just like them. Brown is still getting paid from us and if he improves, we can always sign him. However, i don't see him playing in the NBA. He's just not aggressive enough to play in the league.

T-Rob. Yes, he's limited in production, but he's been working out in the Lakers practice facility all summer and fall. Mitch and Luke must've really liked what they saw in those open gyms enough to offer him a contract. T-Rob is pretty much a practice player, will help push around the kids and Randle.

I hated the mozgov signing at first and well i still do at least. The contract is what kills me. Mozgov has proven to be a decent role player in this league so far this season. However, his 20 minutes a game, at 16 million a year for the next four years is depressing. We should've just offered him 25 million for one year. Deng... he's so slow. He doesn't look like he can play defense anymore. His shot is off and on.. I pray theres an amnesty clause in the new CBA. We're going to need one in order to get rid of him.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#172 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 5:59 pm

One loss. Season will be like this. Maybe even the next one.

They fought the whole way...I thought the defense looked pretty darn good at times, myself. Gave themselves a chance.

Personally, I wouldn't change anything. I think the minutes thing is great. Over the course of 82 games, the cream will rise to the top...and you'll see certain guys getting more and more playing time. Luke's going about things right.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#173 » by Slava » Wed Nov 9, 2016 8:13 pm

We were closing games tremendously well for a very young team, that wasn't going to last and we kind of lost of our way in teh final 6 minutes, still this is a game that we should have pit away early and playing some decent defense on dudes like Seth Curry and Barea would have done that.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#174 » by BeanBurrito » Wed Nov 9, 2016 8:18 pm

I am a little annoyed that Luke didn't call a timeout at the end of that 2nd quarter. I get he is looking out for the long term of the team but c'mon, that was awful to watch, get them back together.

I just finished the game, and that was really hard to watch. So many turnovers, fouls, etc by the team.
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#175 » by Landsberger » Wed Nov 9, 2016 10:08 pm

The defense was horrible. The guard play on the defensive end at the point of attack is bad but the off the ball play by them is even worse. Russell turns his back to the ball entirely on just about every play. Someone needs to correct his technique and fundamentals on that end of the court soon. It hurt to watch.

Clarkson's defensive technique is better but the results are about the same. He's constantly overplaying and diving under the screens. Lou is Lou.... he actually does a decent job at pressuring the point and feeling the screen but he often loses track of his man off the ball as well. You know it's bad when Nick freaking Young is the best on the ball and off the ball defender we have at the guard position.

While we are winning games we are also letting up some huge games against at the guard position. Whoever is in charge of that for Luke is stealing right now.

On the good side... the effort was there and we had a run or two with the second unit that gave us a little hope but we seemed to find a way to kill those runs with stupid fouls (Russell and Clarkson) and turnovers.

The MWP experiment needs to be over.

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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#176 » by dAdo dA dEvil » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:00 am

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Is Luke still a good defender or Black and TRob are bad offensively? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: GT: Los Angeles Lakers vs Dallas Maverics 7.30 PST 

Post#177 » by Spanish_Laker » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:31 pm

Back to mediocrity, back to reality. We just lost to a terrible team...
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