OT: Election/Trump/Clinton thread

[Bensational]

Comments have already started, so here's a thread for it all to go in.

If it gets too heated, we'll lock it.

Keep it civil people.

[Bensational]

I like the sentiment in this sign off from Colbert.

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Everybody unite.

[zuppafly]

Well, as an european I understand you guys in the US have your own context and we shouldn't extrapolate or take any "lessons" from this day here in europe.
But this basically sums up every european person today after waking up:

[Orlwillbeback]

I might start drinking heavily.

[Xatticus]

Didn't vote. Didn't watch. Don't care.

As a matter of principle, I should be deeply invested in such things. But I live in a country where politics are dominated by two competing corporations whose only purposes are to serve their own plutocratic interests. The masses are manipulated by their true enemies, to fear those that differ in only the most superficial ways. We are constantly bludgeoned by propaganda to believe that we are relevant in a fight that isn't our own. There is only the thinnest veil of democracy, yet we trumpet the word as though we are its sole defender.

If I pay attention to these things, I remember why I lost faith in humanity long ago. I'd rather just distract myself with basketball. It's far easier for me to respect my fellow man when he is talking about sports than when the discussion turns to politics.

[Furinkazan]

Well, as an european I understand you guys in the US have your own context and we shouldn't extrapolate or take any "lessons" from this day here in europe.
But this basically sums up every european person today after waking up:

You coudnt be more wrong

[Tayswagzzz]

I like the sentiment in this sign off from Colbert.

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Everybody unite.

Yep I enjoy Colbert and I saw that video this morning.

Republican or Democrat, we are all people at the end of the day. The media will try to divide us Americans and it's achieving it more now than ever. Facebook comments are absolute poison, so many hateful comments from Clinton AND Trump supporters, I try not to read any of that. Politics have become very poisonous. I sincerely hope our next election is handled better by both candidates AND the media.

In the end, we'll be fine. Nobody needs to overreact.

[Nemesis21]

Holy hell, did Trump kill RealGM? Haven't been able to log in until now, trying since 6am lol.

[cedric76]

Well, as an european I understand you guys in the US have your own context and we shouldn't extrapolate or take any "lessons" from this day here in europe.
But this basically sums up every european person today after waking up:

You coudnt be more wrong

same here, i can tell you that this gif doesnt sum it up

Trump s election is good for europe:

*Trump is against TAFTA (NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest)
*pacification of international relationship (with countries such as russia, hillary wouldnt discuss with them)
*Against wild globalization
*Against going to war without solid proof (trump was against iraq war)

so not sure how it ll end up for USA but it s good for europe

[UCF]

Trump campaigned on Europe paying their fair share for NATO. That's a lot of money they aren't used to paying that they should be paying when they agreed to join.

[cedric76]

Trump campaigned on Europe paying their fair share for NATO. That's a lot of money they aren't used to paying that they should be paying when they agreed to join.

i think it s fair too, why should US pay 70% of cost?

[Orlwillbeback]

If Popovich ran, he'd have my vote.

[UCFJayBird]

Well, as an european I understand you guys in the US have your own context and we shouldn't extrapolate or take any "lessons" from this day here in europe.
But this basically sums up every european person today after waking up:

You coudnt be more wrong

same here, i can tell you that this gif doesnt sum it up

Trump s election is good for europe:

*Trump is against TAFTA (NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest)
*pacification of international relationship (with countries such as russia, hillary wouldnt discuss with them)
*Against wild globalization
*Against going to war without solid proof (trump was against iraq war)

so not sure how it ll end up for USA but it s good for europe

He wasn't against the war. There's tape of him on Howard Stern supporting it. Maybe he changed his mind but at that point he did support it. Just clarifying.

My Thoughts:

To say last night was a disappointment for my family and I is a huge undersell. I watched as my wife (an American citizen born in this country to Hispanic immigrants and a victim of sexual assault) break down in tears as she watched was one of the saddest moments of my life. It's one thing to disagree with a candidate for political reasons, it's another to disagree with them on a human decency level.

For me, Clinton represented the worst in politics. She was basically a career politician, she used her positions of influence to help her Foundation (which does DO amazing things in this world, which I think has been forgotten and overlooked), she mishandled government data with her e-mail server, and she was difficult to know where she stood on certain issues because there was clear evidence that at times she said one thing in public and another in private.

And yet, Trump is just as corrupt in business. He's had thousands of lawsuits brought against him. His University is a scam (and a trial is coming soon I believe). His Foundation is a joke. It's impossible to know where he stands because there's very little record, and he speaks in such platitudes and generalities that it's difficult to know if he really has any kind of plans in mind. He was a Democrat for years, so I don't even honestly know if he's as right wing as his supporters think. He thinks Global Warming is a hoax invented by the chinese, he questions the use of nuclear weapons and has encouraged other nations to pursue acquiring them. He's a proven liar, just as much so as Clinton.

And that's not even getting into the racism, sexism, xenophobia, fascism, and sexual assault.

But alas, America has chosen. Last night as my wife and I were climbing into bed she kept asking me "what are we going to do?" We briefly mentioned the possibility of moving out of the country, but that was when we overcome with emotions. By this morning we woke up and came to grips with the fact that he was the President-Elect, and all we can do now is hope that his extreme ideas never come to fruition (the wall, deportation task force, muslim ban, etc), and hope that he proves us wrong and does a good job.

We know right away though that the ACA (Obamacare) is dead. It will be repealed within the first 100 days I imagine. He's going to be able to nominate someone for the Supreme Court vacancy (which should not be open!), and I hope that he chooses a moderate, though I imagine he will be pressured and told by his advisors to pick the most conservative person on the bench viable. My worst fear right now is that more supreme court seats will open and he will be allowed to fill them. Replacing Scalia with another Republican is going back to the status quo, but if 1-2 of the more liberal judges should retire or pass away, Trump would be able to change the direction of this nation's course for a generation.

Losing the Presidency hurt. Giving him a Republican Congress may have hurt worse. Republicans always do better in the midterms. So it's likely he'll have a Republican Congress for four years (though who knows what the political landscape will look like in two years). And my problem is not necessarily with Republicans, it's with the alt-right that has taken over vast amounts of positions within those congressional seats.

Either way, we can only hope for the best, fight against those policies we disagree with, and hope to move forward. America has spoken, and it has elected it's next President. I will support that decision, though I disagree vehemently with it. I will call Trump out when he does wrong, and I will give him credit when it is due. My hope is that the Democrats in Congress should America that they are not like the Republicans of the last eight years and will work WITH them, and not against them. Work WITH Trump.

Side note: I applaud the Huffington Post for their article this morning announcing they're removing their editor's note about Trump (where they call him as a sexist, racist, etc) because at the end of the day he is our President-Elect. And America has decided he deserves a chance.

Side note 2: Imagine of Bernie had won the primaries, or if Biden or Warren had thrown their hat in the ring and won.

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[MagicFan101]

The sexist, white trash, bible thumping mentality has won. There is a reason this country is 17th in education and we showed the fruits of it last night. Shame on you America.

Hilary was far from a great or even good candidate but at least she wasn't Trump...

[Orlwillbeback]

We went with the high upside/big downside prospect instead of the safe pick.

[Nemesis21]

I really don't understand, how any woman in this country, could vote for Trump.

[Furinkazan]

The sexist, white trash, bible thumping mentality has won. There is a reason this country is 17th in education and we showed the fruits of it last night. Shame on you America.

Hilary was far from a great or even good candidate but at least she wasn't Trump...

this is why reality of today sucks...there is some illusion that you can actually vote for the right and good people but instead you are only given the right to vote for the lesser evil... true democracy of todays world you are
the prime example you dont like her but you vote for her beacuse she isnt him cool lmao
you know how silly it is when watched from the sidelines?

[Skin]

Regardless of who you wanted, the one thing you have to respect is that "The People Have Spoken".

[Nemesis21]

Regardless of who you wanted, the one thing you have to respect is that "The People Have Spoken".

The one thing I am, is afraid.

[MagicFan101]

Regardless of who you wanted, the one thing you have to respect is that "The People Have Spoken".

I don't have to respect that at all. Many shouldn't speak. Let the educated guide us. The educated can be liberal, conservative or somewhere in between but they aren't Trump.