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[MrDollarBills]

how great was being black with Obama in office?


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Maybe take a path like MDB and ask this again with hindsight during a Trump presidency.

For the record, Trump hasn't really attacked my minority group (that I know of), but hey we're not even into his term where he may wait to attack us Asians.

Clinton did nothing, Bush did nothing, and Obama did nothing for black people. Politicians haven't mentioned doing anything for black people for years. **** has already been as bad as its gonna get- just flip earlier in the thread to see the stats that show why

And Asians have the lowest voter turnout and have no problems with the racial economic inequality in their communities. As a group, they own and support their own businesses in damn near every metropolitan area. If anything, Trump will probably have the most reverence towards Asian communities given his massive fear of China's global economic strength


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Do the research. There are many different sub groups that fall under the term "Asian Americans" and there are some appalling poverty rates. The media likes to perpetuate the myth of "the model minority" when in reality Asian Americans face discrimination and poverty issues just like black and latino americans.

Presidents serve the corporate powers that filled their coffer, the banks, and the military industrial complex. The idea that anyone elected to the highest office in the land is going to help any sub group in this country is false. The white americans who voted for Trump yesterday are in a rude awakening when his policies put the middle class in a pressure cooker. He's going to cut taxes at the top, completely cut them at the bottom, and put the clamp on everyone who falls in between. Watch.

[MrDollarBills]

Looks like Adams is right, the Rugged man is wrong.

Trump's got Ohio, North Carolina and Florida

Leading in Wisconsin and Michigan

Super close race in Pennsylvania


Would Bernie be better?

i believe that Bernie would have kept the left/democrat vote from being split. While I was wary of his tax policies, i was willing to make that sacrifice because I believed that he had the greater good in mind and his voting record backed that up. I voted for him in the primaries without hesitation.

The arrogance of HRC, that piece of trash DWS, and the DNC are to blame, period. When you had idiots telling Bernie supporters to "get over it", they alienated a lot of people who were also tired of establishment politicians. I only voted for D's last night because I wanted pushback in congress in the event that Trump won. Looks like the worst case scenario happened.

[MrDollarBills]

Easy, tax Mexico import to pay for the wall.

Trump will be good for minority groups, especially blacks, because Trump's trade policy will generate more jobs for working class.

I agree with Trump on trade 100%. I actually have no problem with him cutting corporate tax rates either (even though from what economists say, all of his tax ideas will put this country into some serious ****).

My thing is, the cost of living in the USA makes it a virtual certainty that no jobs are coming back from overseas because the difference in pay demand is still too great. He's lying about bringing jobs back. If I'm Apple, and I have skilled workers in China making phones for me at 12 cents an hour why would i move my operations back here where I have folks wanting $15 an hr to flip burgers, nevermind construct parts for phones?

hell, full disclosure, I run my own business as well, and I contract freelancers and most of the time they're foreign because i get more bang for my buck due to the exchange rates. it's simply more cost effective. Trump lied through his teeth to the yokels in the red states and they'll see very soon.

[Prokorov]

i believe that Bernie would have kept the left/democrat vote from being split. While I was wary of his tax policies, i was willing to make that sacrifice because I believed that he had the greater good in mind and his voting record backed that up. I voted for him in the primaries without hesitation.

The arrogance of HRC, that piece of trash DWS, and the DNC are to blame, period. When you had idiots telling Bernie supporters to "get over it", they alienated a lot of people who were also tired of establishment politicians. I only voted for D's last night because I wanted pushback in congress in the event that Trump won. Looks like the worst case scenario happened.

Yup... I dont think Bernie would have lost this election and alot of the polling data leans that way as well.

It wasnt a huge suprise for me Clinton lost. I saw it becoming a real possibility during the conventions when Hilary focused so much on discrediting trump instead of trying to repair her image and build up why she is the best person for the job... trump voters were already going to be ok with trumps antics... she needed to win the Gary Johnson votes... not steal trump votes. Johnsons 2-3% were the difference in more then 1 battle ground state.

Hillary's campaign team failed in a major way. they ignore states trump won in the primary that sanders also beat clinton in or sanders did well in. and no super delegates to save her in the presidential race.

They were arrogant. they underestimated how upset people where that the DNC rail roaded sanders and how much people equated hillary with business as usual in washington.

this is the worst case scenario. Trump and republicans controlling it all. and the supreme court about to go that way too.

a sad day for america.

[MrDollarBills]

i believe that Bernie would have kept the left/democrat vote from being split. While I was wary of his tax policies, i was willing to make that sacrifice because I believed that he had the greater good in mind and his voting record backed that up. I voted for him in the primaries without hesitation.

The arrogance of HRC, that piece of trash DWS, and the DNC are to blame, period. When you had idiots telling Bernie supporters to "get over it", they alienated a lot of people who were also tired of establishment politicians. I only voted for D's last night because I wanted pushback in congress in the event that Trump won. Looks like the worst case scenario happened.

Yup... I dont think Bernie would have lost this election and alot of the polling data leans that way as well.

It wasnt a huge suprise for me Clinton lost. I saw it becoming a real possibility during the conventions when Hilary focused so much on discrediting trump instead of trying to repair her image and build up why she is the best person for the job... trump voters were already going to be ok with trumps antics... she needed to win the Gary Johnson votes... not steal trump votes. Johnsons 2-3% were the difference in more then 1 battle ground state.

Hillary's campaign team failed in a major way. they ignore states trump won in the primary that sanders also beat clinton in or sanders did well in. and no super delegates to save her in the presidential race.

They were arrogant. they underestimated how upset people where that the DNC rail roaded sanders and how much people equated hillary with business as usual in washington.

this is the worst case scenario. Trump and republicans controlling it all. and the supreme court about to go that way too.

a sad day for america.

Yeah. January is going to be a horrific month. God knows what kind of half wit legislation these nutjobs will try to ram through

the funny part is, the Trump voters, specifically the poor, uneducated red staters think that the ones who are going to be screwed will be minorities.

Wait til Paul Ryan gets to work (who is a goddamn clown and I honestly hope Trump humiliates him for flip flopping). The check for all of that voting based on xenophobia and racism is about to come due and it won't discriminate.

Regarding the DNC, i hope the pushback is fierce and corrupt trash like Clinton and Wasserman Schultz get drawn and quartered by the constituency. I'm not even a democrat, I'm moderate independent who leans left socially but I want to see that pound of flesh get taken by the liberals who get absolutely screwed by the DNC.

[Prokorov]

i believe that Bernie would have kept the left/democrat vote from being split. While I was wary of his tax policies, i was willing to make that sacrifice because I believed that he had the greater good in mind and his voting record backed that up. I voted for him in the primaries without hesitation.

The arrogance of HRC, that piece of trash DWS, and the DNC are to blame, period. When you had idiots telling Bernie supporters to "get over it", they alienated a lot of people who were also tired of establishment politicians. I only voted for D's last night because I wanted pushback in congress in the event that Trump won. Looks like the worst case scenario happened.

Yup... I dont think Bernie would have lost this election and alot of the polling data leans that way as well.

It wasnt a huge suprise for me Clinton lost. I saw it becoming a real possibility during the conventions when Hilary focused so much on discrediting trump instead of trying to repair her image and build up why she is the best person for the job... trump voters were already going to be ok with trumps antics... she needed to win the Gary Johnson votes... not steal trump votes. Johnsons 2-3% were the difference in more then 1 battle ground state.

Hillary's campaign team failed in a major way. they ignore states trump won in the primary that sanders also beat clinton in or sanders did well in. and no super delegates to save her in the presidential race.

They were arrogant. they underestimated how upset people where that the DNC rail roaded sanders and how much people equated hillary with business as usual in washington.

this is the worst case scenario. Trump and republicans controlling it all. and the supreme court about to go that way too.

a sad day for america.

Yeah. January is going to be a horrific month. God knows what kind of half wit legislation these nutjobs will try to ram through

the funny part is, the Trump voters, specifically the poor, uneducated red staters think that the ones who are going to be screwed will be minorities.

Wait til Paul Ryan gets to work (who is a goddamn clown and I honestly hope Trump humiliates him for flip flopping). The check for all of that voting based on xenophobia and racism is about to come due and it won't discriminate.

Yeah, i found that frustrating as well... these guys voting for someone who represents few of their interests.

its going to be scary. think about all the pork that is going to be passed with no checks and balances?

[MrDollarBills]

Yup... I dont think Bernie would have lost this election and alot of the polling data leans that way as well.

It wasnt a huge suprise for me Clinton lost. I saw it becoming a real possibility during the conventions when Hilary focused so much on discrediting trump instead of trying to repair her image and build up why she is the best person for the job... trump voters were already going to be ok with trumps antics... she needed to win the Gary Johnson votes... not steal trump votes. Johnsons 2-3% were the difference in more then 1 battle ground state.

Hillary's campaign team failed in a major way. they ignore states trump won in the primary that sanders also beat clinton in or sanders did well in. and no super delegates to save her in the presidential race.

They were arrogant. they underestimated how upset people where that the DNC rail roaded sanders and how much people equated hillary with business as usual in washington.

this is the worst case scenario. Trump and republicans controlling it all. and the supreme court about to go that way too.

a sad day for america.

Yeah. January is going to be a horrific month. God knows what kind of half wit legislation these nutjobs will try to ram through

the funny part is, the Trump voters, specifically the poor, uneducated red staters think that the ones who are going to be screwed will be minorities.

Wait til Paul Ryan gets to work (who is a goddamn clown and I honestly hope Trump humiliates him for flip flopping). The check for all of that voting based on xenophobia and racism is about to come due and it won't discriminate.

Yeah, i found that frustrating as well... these guys voting for someone who represents few of their interests.

its going to be scary. think about all the pork that is going to be passed with no checks and balances?

think about the veterans who are going to be hammered by these soulless animals. benefit cuts across the board. good luck when those enlistment rates plummet and Putin decides to start line stepping. He probably had himself a good laugh and a nice drink once he saw how stupid the american electorate is.

[Prokorov]

Yeah. January is going to be a horrific month. God knows what kind of half wit legislation these nutjobs will try to ram through

the funny part is, the Trump voters, specifically the poor, uneducated red staters think that the ones who are going to be screwed will be minorities.

Wait til Paul Ryan gets to work (who is a goddamn clown and I honestly hope Trump humiliates him for flip flopping). The check for all of that voting based on xenophobia and racism is about to come due and it won't discriminate.

Yeah, i found that frustrating as well... these guys voting for someone who represents few of their interests.

its going to be scary. think about all the pork that is going to be passed with no checks and balances?

think about the veterans who are going to be hammered by these soulless animals. benefit cuts across the board. good luck when those enlistment rates plummet and Putin decides to start line stepping. He probably had himself a good laugh and a nice drink once he saw how stupid the american electorate is.

everyone is laughing at us im sure. it is an embarassment. the one candidate who ACTUALLY wanted to change things in washington and on wallstreet and cut the fat in these bills was knifed in the back by his own party.

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I'm against violence against women, but if someone hit that white supremacist bitch with a brick I'd look the other way.


On another note, my heart goes out to the latino and muslim children who had to go to school today and deal with some of the crap i'm seeing being reported.

To wake up in fear that your parents may be deported, or parents having to tell their daughters not to wear their hijabs in public.

As bad as George Dubya was, he never, ever did this.

[MrDollarBills]

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yep.

The DNC needs to be skewered and shamed.

[DeRoma]

Looks like Adams is right, the Rugged man is wrong.

Trump's got Ohio, North Carolina and Florida

Leading in Wisconsin and Michigan

Super close race in Pennsylvania


Would Bernie be better?

Bernie would've been better but I think it still close. Hillary has terrible marketing skills and doesn't have great persuasive skills to back up any of her statements.

Hilary had no political platform whatsoever. None.

Let that sink in...

"Tax the rich! Raise minimum wage!" what is this- politics 101? Her entire platform sounds like it was written by a first year poli sci student on how to be a populist

Her platform was weak as **** and simply being 'someone who won't rock the boat' is a stupid strategy in the face of someone who's whole platform is shaking the establishment

Go back and watch the debates. She literally says nothing of substance, dances around questions, and deflects to something about Trump.

Her candidacy was pathetic

Bernie might not have had the fervor, but he was cut off at the knees and sabotaged by the DNC as he was picking up steam. His platform was the only one on the left that appealed to middle and lower class voters across both party lines. And, he held his own in debates and made Hilary look silly at times.

Bernie was too much of a puss to run independent, so who knows how he'd fare under pressure, but he had the strongest platform of anyone this election.

The DNC shot itself in the foot by conspiring against them and deserve everything that's coming to them


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Thing is even if Bernie run for independency, America is truly run by 2 parties and nobody can deny that. It would just split the votes up for Hillary and Him. Which would've made trump a unanimous victor. This was the best move endorsing Hillary and trying to be the vice president. He just didn't have enough money to run the campaign

[shakendfries]

Bernie would've been better but I think it still close. Hillary has terrible marketing skills and doesn't have great persuasive skills to back up any of her statements.

Hilary had no political platform whatsoever. None.

Let that sink in...

"Tax the rich! Raise minimum wage!" what is this- politics 101? Her entire platform sounds like it was written by a first year poli sci student on how to be a populist

Her platform was weak as **** and simply being 'someone who won't rock the boat' is a stupid strategy in the face of someone who's whole platform is shaking the establishment

Go back and watch the debates. She literally says nothing of substance, dances around questions, and deflects to something about Trump.

Her candidacy was pathetic

Bernie might not have had the fervor, but he was cut off at the knees and sabotaged by the DNC as he was picking up steam. His platform was the only one on the left that appealed to middle and lower class voters across both party lines. And, he held his own in debates and made Hilary look silly at times.

Bernie was too much of a puss to run independent, so who knows how he'd fare under pressure, but he had the strongest platform of anyone this election.

The DNC shot itself in the foot by conspiring against them and deserve everything that's coming to them


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Thing is even if Bernie run for independency, America is truly run by 2 parties and nobody can deny that. It would just split the votes up for Hillary and Him. Which would've made trump a unanimous victor. This was the best move endorsing Hillary and trying to be the vice president. He just didn't have enough money to run the campaign

On the right we have one candidate who's entire platform is to "change politics"

On the left we have one candidate who's entire platform is to make sure things to remain the same (something they've done their entire career and has nothing to show for it). This same candidate has done nothing but promote meaningless wars for the country

The judges? Americans on both party sides who are pissed off and feel the country isn't making any progress

Who do you think had a better chance of winning?

[shakendfries]

Bernie would've been better but I think it still close. Hillary has terrible marketing skills and doesn't have great persuasive skills to back up any of her statements.

Hilary had no political platform whatsoever. None.

Let that sink in...

"Tax the rich! Raise minimum wage!" what is this- politics 101? Her entire platform sounds like it was written by a first year poli sci student on how to be a populist

Her platform was weak as **** and simply being 'someone who won't rock the boat' is a stupid strategy in the face of someone who's whole platform is shaking the establishment

Go back and watch the debates. She literally says nothing of substance, dances around questions, and deflects to something about Trump.

Her candidacy was pathetic

Bernie might not have had the fervor, but he was cut off at the knees and sabotaged by the DNC as he was picking up steam. His platform was the only one on the left that appealed to middle and lower class voters across both party lines. And, he held his own in debates and made Hilary look silly at times.

Bernie was too much of a puss to run independent, so who knows how he'd fare under pressure, but he had the strongest platform of anyone this election.

The DNC shot itself in the foot by conspiring against them and deserve everything that's coming to them


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Thing is even if Bernie run for independency, America is truly run by 2 parties and nobody can deny that. It would just split the votes up for Hillary and Him. Which would've made trump a unanimous victor. This was the best move endorsing Hillary and trying to be the vice president. He just didn't have enough money to run the campaign

Also, did you miss the fact that the entire primary was rigged in Hilary's favor by DNC officials?

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[DeRoma]

To put it simply I just think people are just dumb generally. I would bet my life that atleast 1/3 of Hillary supporters voted for her just because she is a woman and would back her up because of her gender. Thinking that "woman" president is progress in the world and the change we need.

Just keep that theme in mind if you think running for independency was the smart move.

[shakendfries]

To put it simply I just think people are just dumb generally. I would bet my life that atleast 1/3 of Hillary supporters voted for her just because she is a woman and would back her up because of her gender. Thinking that "woman" president is progress in the world and the change we need.

Just keep that theme in mind if you think running for independency was the smart move.

This isn't about who ran, running independent, or whatever you think. This is about a system that people believe is broken.

People see civilians getting murdered by police in broad daylight, getting paid leave and not getting convicted by any of these prosecutors and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People see counties that derive large amounts of revenue from the unevenly enforced misdemeanors that punish people for being poor and result in the creation of debtors prisons and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are finding it tougher to get by as a middle class American regardless of race, gender, orientation and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are finding it impossible to pay for the college and graduate school necessary to make a decent living in America and think that's a sign that the system is broken

People are finding it impossible to work in education for the state, and promote the education of our youth, when most states' highest paid employees are football coaches and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are seeing jobs dwindling and national debt rising as globalization is helping every other country prosper except America where it feels for the average person things are getting worse, and think that's a sign that the sytem is broken.

The system isn't broken. It's working exactly like it was designed to. It's been this way, it doesn't change no matter who's in office cause everyone's more concerned with the optics than dealing with reality.

So why would anyone who feels that the system is broken elect someone who wants things to stay the same?

All of a sudden, now that a woman is elected in office that's supposed to be a sign of progress? When Obama was in office, did that mean racism ended like everyone wanted to believe? Or have things just gotten worse as the real issues get swept under the rug, and your candidate danced with Beyonce & JayZ and smears hot sauce on all her kale salads?

Until everyone realizes the system is working exactly the way it is designed people aren't ever going to work themselves out of their current situation.

Bernie was advocating removing the money that influences politicians. We all know that this is against everything the establishment stands for and it'd be impossible for him to achieve what he wanted to accomplish, but him getting backstabbed by his own establishment just proves the point

The system works by getting you jazzed up about a politician who does nothing for you just like Obama did nothing for his biggest supporters. The only way to impart change on the system is with votes or capital. And until people can control their own capital or organize among themselves to organize those within the community who have access to capital not a damn thing's gonna change.

[MrDollarBills]

Bernie would've been better but I think it still close. Hillary has terrible marketing skills and doesn't have great persuasive skills to back up any of her statements.

Hilary had no political platform whatsoever. None.

Let that sink in...

"Tax the rich! Raise minimum wage!" what is this- politics 101? Her entire platform sounds like it was written by a first year poli sci student on how to be a populist

Her platform was weak as **** and simply being 'someone who won't rock the boat' is a stupid strategy in the face of someone who's whole platform is shaking the establishment

Go back and watch the debates. She literally says nothing of substance, dances around questions, and deflects to something about Trump.

Her candidacy was pathetic

Bernie might not have had the fervor, but he was cut off at the knees and sabotaged by the DNC as he was picking up steam. His platform was the only one on the left that appealed to middle and lower class voters across both party lines. And, he held his own in debates and made Hilary look silly at times.

Bernie was too much of a puss to run independent, so who knows how he'd fare under pressure, but he had the strongest platform of anyone this election.

The DNC shot itself in the foot by conspiring against them and deserve everything that's coming to them


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Thing is even if Bernie run for independency, America is truly run by 2 parties and nobody can deny that. It would just split the votes up for Hillary and Him. Which would've made trump a unanimous victor. This was the best move endorsing Hillary and trying to be the vice president. He just didn't have enough money to run the campaign

Sanders running independent would have led to the same result. He should have been the Dem nominee, period. He would have castrated Trump in all of those debates. A lot of Trump's voters were in fact racist trash. But he gained a lot of voters who were sick of establishment wall street **** like Clinton.

Clinton walked into this entire cycle expecting a crown to be handed to her. I'm glad her political career is over. Now she can spend the rest of her days lining her pockets with her crooked foundation while soiling her adult diapers.

The entire country will suffer because of her selfishness, and the corruption of Wasserman Shitz and the rest of those **** rags. there needs to be a serious push for a viable, moderate-left 3rd party that combines good socially progressive ideas with sensible and realistic fiscal policies, no idealistic crap but the damn truth.

[DeRoma]

To put it simply I just think people are just dumb generally. I would bet my life that atleast 1/3 of Hillary supporters voted for her just because she is a woman and would back her up because of her gender. Thinking that "woman" president is progress in the world and the change we need.

Just keep that theme in mind if you think running for independency was the smart move.

This isn't about who ran, running independent, or whatever you think. This is about a system that people believe is broken.

People see civilians getting murdered by police in broad daylight, getting paid leave and not getting convicted by any of these prosecutors and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People see counties that derive large amounts of revenue from the unevenly enforced misdemeanors that punish people for being poor and result in the creation of debtors prisons and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are finding it tougher to get by as a middle class American regardless of race, gender, orientation and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are finding it impossible to pay for the college and graduate school necessary to make a decent living in America and think that's a sign that the system is broken

People are finding it impossible to work in education for the state, and promote the education of our youth, when most states' highest paid employees are football coaches and think that's a sign that the system is broken.

People are seeing jobs dwindling and national debt rising as globalization is helping every other country prosper except America where it feels for the average person things are getting worse, and think that's a sign that the sytem is broken.

The system isn't broken. It's working exactly like it was designed to. It's been this way, it doesn't change no matter who's in office cause everyone's more concerned with the optics than dealing with reality.

So why would anyone who feels that the system is broken elect someone who wants things to stay the same?

All of a sudden, now that a woman is elected in office that's supposed to be a sign of progress? When Obama was in office, did that mean racism ended like everyone wanted to believe? Or have things just gotten worse as the real issues get swept under the rug, and your candidate danced with Beyonce & JayZ and smears hot sauce on all her kale salads?

Until everyone realizes the system is working exactly the way it is designed people aren't ever going to work themselves out of their current situation.

Bernie was advocating removing the money that influences politicians. We all know that this is against everything the establishment stands for and it'd be impossible for him to achieve what he wanted to accomplish, but him getting backstabbed by his own establishment just proves the point

The system works by getting you jazzed up about a politician who does nothing for you just like Obama did nothing for his biggest supporters. The only way to impart change on the system is with votes or capital. And until people can control their own capital or organize among themselves to organize those within the community who have access to capital not a damn thing's gonna change.

You are not getting my point... I am Pro Bernie and I believe in his ideology of democratic socialism is the best way for America to progress. It's not a perfect system but nothing is perfect in life. It's about changing the influence of people in this world. It's about giving people opportunities to get advance educations (i.e. universities) in order for growth and knowledge to advance as a whole. Capitalism works just fine and it will but in todays world rich get richer because they have to protect their own. Same instinct goes with families. However, knowledge is power and no way you beat the rich unless there is some cap restriction (like in the NBA). Or else team's like the Yankees will always get their powerhouse players no matter what and will always be on the conversation to be on top.

My point is in order for Bernie to win he needs to be elected in one of the two popular campaigns because people are just simply that stupid. They will vote for Hillary thinking that a woman president is progression. Which in fact (like you said) it's not. People are just plain stupid and will always go after dumb crap like this.

We don't even have go that far when it's happening to the team we love. We switch our GM to Sean Marks and completely change the culture of our team. Yet, dumb people speaks talks about our team like it's complete garbage (i.e. worst team in the league) in terms of statistics. When the reality those statistics does not completely justify equations. Yet, it's happening right now, we are winning games even given the lack of talent the team has. But in the beginning majority of the people will just label this team crap just because of the fear of understanding the unknown. This is human instinct and nothing will ever change.

I can even make an example of me making a thread a week ago calling out mods. Yet, they suspended me for 3 days and then deleted my whole thread. Just think about that.... This is people and you have to deal with them. The only way you deal with them is to get in the system from within and change it. Which is what Bernie was trying to do which is why he was trying to be elected in the Democratic party.

[DeRoma]

But guys listen this is the world we live in just look at the positives and move on... Instead of 25% taken away from our tax it will be around 15%....