OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[Rerisen]

We can live anyway we want to.

Funny that. My sister claims she is moving to Canada when financially able (due to yesterday). Apparently Canada's immigration website broke down after the election. (Supposedly its very expensive and hard to actually move to Canada as an ordinary American). But it's the day after. In a few months, how many will have actually gone. Probably hardly any.

If people start backing up these forecasts of doom with their actions, then it might be time to worry about a lot of this hysteria post election. But this crying on social media stuff...

[TheSuzerain]

Quite rich that Tim blows a gasket when anyone dares talk about Israel in the same conspiratorial manner he speaks about the US.

[dice]

Whatever the endgame was thought to be here in Libya and Syria it is going horrifically and needs to change. Why we are still funneling support through Saudi and Qatar to terrorist fighters, is facepalming. What is it accomplishing? Such incompetence does make you wonder sometimes how what we are doing can be taken at face value.

nothing will change. libya was on a road to where it is right now before we went in there and sped up the process. there are no good outsider answers for syria. and if trump risks oil supply by turning his back on the saudis (if he even has that power) i will be very impressed

[Jo Jo English]

We can live anyway we want to.

Funny that. My sister claims she is moving to Canada when financially able (due to yesterday). Apparently Canada's immigration website broke down after the election. (Supposedly its very expensive and hard to actually move to Canada as an ordinary American). But it's the day after. In a few months, how many will have actually gone. Probably hardly any.

If people start backing up these forecasts of doom with their actions, then it might be time to worry about a lot of this hysteria post election. But this crying on social media stuff...

So you mean the emotional Democrats threatening things they may not back up might match the emotional Republicans from the past 8 years that threatened things they didn't back up?

Shocking.

[TimRobbins]

I said it was a conspiratorial take, don't lose your hat. And I didn't say anyone was 'pulling our strings'. Israel is our ally in the ME, we do form strategies with our allies, just like we would form strategy with the UK vis-a-via Russia, in the Europe theatre.

There are foreign policy think tank papers that do discuss the merits of such a strategy.

Obama never really wanted to go into Libya, it was Hillary and the Europeans that pushed it.

Whatever the endgame was thought to be here in Libya and Syria it is going horrifically and needs to change. Why we are still funneling support through Saudi and Qatar to terrorist fighters, is facepalming. What is it accomplishing? Such incompetence does make you wonder sometimes how what we are doing can be taken at face value.

I do not believe Obama coordinated the Syria intervention with Israel. He coordinated it with Saudi and the gulf states.

I think the endgame for Libya was supposed to be the same as the end-game for Iraq and Afghanistan - regime change. It looks like none of the lessons were learned.

I don't know exactly what they were thinking, but I do know that the military interventions need to stop. We should not be fighting these endless wars. They accomplish nothing.

[TimRobbins]

Quite rich that Tim blows a gasket when anyone dares talk about Israel in the same conspiratorial manner he speaks about the US.

I don't do conspiracies and I definitely don't use others to blame for my mistakes.

We own our military interventions, not Israel and not anybody else.

[Rerisen]

Whatever the endgame was thought to be here in Libya and Syria it is going horrifically and needs to change. Why we are still funneling support through Saudi and Qatar to terrorist fighters, is facepalming. What is it accomplishing? Such incompetence does make you wonder sometimes how what we are doing can be taken at face value.

nothing will change. libya was on a road to where it is right now before we went in there and sped up the process. there are no good outsider answers for syria. and if trump risks oil supply by turning his back on the saudis (if he even has that power) i will be very impressed

If nothing changes, Europe is going to spiral down and down with overwhelming refugees. They've got gangs fighting in the streets of Paris. Elections are coming and many sitting governments are in danger.

I don't know how much longer both sides keep pouring gas and letting it burn.

[musiqsoulchild]

Please don't quote me with stats and comments suggesting racists have always voted. No ****.

The point isn't about racists having a vote, it's about your president being a bigot who said some terrible ****.

Are you referring to comments beyond this one?

"When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," he said.

I honestly don't see how someone can know what racism means, and call that comment racist. Now, Trump may very well be racist. In fact it's probably a pretty good bet because even real deal racists rarely speak up in public these days. But are there more comments than the relatively tame one I quoted that lead people to call him a racist?

Honest question.

The man punctuated every third or so sentence with a dog whistle. Why is this even debatable?

And I am not black nor Latino, but I still felt it.

[Rerisen]

So you mean the emotional Democrats threatening things they may not back up might match the emotional Republicans from the past 8 years that threatened things they didn't back up?

Shocking.

Pretty much, its not the end of the world. Obama is going to meet Trump tomorrow at the White House. Boy will that be awkward... but they will make nice and the world will go on.

[dice]

Whitewashing the white nationalism that was central to Trump's campaign and candidacy is flatly irresponsible.

exactly right

I have no interest in holding hands and singing Kumbaya now that the votes are cast. This guy isn't my President.

i'm hopeful that he will moderate now that the election is over. and there have been some signs of just that. but i certainly won't be waving any flags over this decision by the american people. we are now the world's laughingstock (not that that bothers me on a personal level). justifiably so. and it's going to set us back decades in terms of credibility. the rest of the world was dumbfounded that we re-elected dubya. this is on a whole other level

[dice]

Please don't quote me with stats and comments suggesting racists have always voted. No ****.

The point isn't about racists having a vote, it's about your president being a bigot who said some terrible ****.

Are you referring to comments beyond this one?

"When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," he said.

I honestly don't see how someone can know what racism means, and call that comment racist. Now, Trump may very well be racist. In fact it's probably a pretty good bet because even real deal racists rarely speak up in public these days. But are there more comments than the relatively tame one I quoted that lead people to call him a racist?

Honest question.

The man punctuated every third or so sentence with a dog whistle. Why is this even debatable?

And I am not black nor Latino, but I still felt it.

perhaps his millions of supporters that follow white supremacist sites have him all wrong too. as well as the white supremacist LEADERS that support him

also, uh...birtherism? ya know, the completely racist conspiracy theory that was the very foundation of his political base-building? there are 70,000,000 (!) republicans nationwide who either aren't sure whether obama was born here or think that he wasn't

[Jo Jo English]

So you mean the emotional Democrats threatening things they may not back up might match the emotional Republicans from the past 8 years that threatened things they didn't back up?

Shocking.

Pretty much, its not the end of the world. Obama is going to meet Trump tomorrow at the White House. Boy will that be awkward... but they will make nice and the world will go on.

Considering our first black President has to be more diplomatic in that hour than the guy who owned the birther movement has been collectively in his entire lifetime, I think yeah, calling that awkward is accurate.

You are right. It is not the end of the world. It's just a blatant example of how **** up our world still is.

[GetBuLLish]

ive never been more proud of this country. i literally cried tears of joy once it was clear that trump was going to win. america, we did it!

It's such a great day! The sun is out, the birds are chirping, the KKK is celebrating on bridges. I love America!

So all those latinos who voted for Trump are KKK members? And all the blacks that voted for him? And all the women?

I thought that losing this election in incredibly embarrassing fashion would help decrease the insane smugness and arrogance of liberals. But clearly it has not.

[dice]

Whatever you think of Hillary as a person/candidate, her team messed up. They could have been positive and never saw a positive ad until the last day while Trump was saying he will make America great again every day.

Plus, they ran scared and fell into his trap.

if his plan was to say things that would have sunk any other campaign in recent decades and hope that hillary responded with criticism, somehow KNOWING that the strategy was not only viable but likely to work, he's a goddamn genius

For all her details on policy, she could not simplify those policies into simple sentences we can remember. That's my take.

she couldn't say "i'm running as an extension of obama's policies." which was the simple sentence reality of the situation

[dice]

Interestingly, Trump actually got 1% less of the white vote than Mitt Romney. So much for all these racists fired up to vote for him. Are there racists who supported Trump? Of course. But, I really don't think anymore so than any other election. Period. the numbers bear this out. I would say there were far more racists fired up to vote against Obama than to vote for Trump and it wasn't enough, so this logic just smells bad. This election was about much more than that.

Nobody is saying racism isn't a problem in this country (at least not me), just that it is not the reason Trump is the PEOTUS. It's the people trying to make that out to be the case who are just further dividing people. It's crying wolf and at the worst F'ing time. It's just the last thing the country needs right now. Call it like it is. Hillary lost because she didn't give enough people a reason to vote for her. She needed to come up with a vision not a bunch of rhetoric. The same rhetoric people are sick of hearing. The best her campaign could do is keep repeating that "Trump is a racist, narcissistic, sexist, mean idiot". "He sucks so you have to vote for me" is just not gonna cut it. Sorry Hillary. The Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves here. What an opportunity they had and they pissed it away.

hillary was a bad candidate. there have been bad candidates before. the working class is struggling. it has for 40 years now. what separated the donald trump campaign (one built on a racist conspiracy theory) and the supporters behind him was the overwhelming quantity of racists/xenophobes in his voting base

the numbers bear this out. paying attention to things he has actually said bears this out

[dice]

Correct. It's a lie because he never said anything remotely like those things.

He was accused by 8 women of inappropriate sexual conduct bordering on assault. He has made numerous abusive comments about women's appearance solely on the basis of disagreeing with him. His ex-wife claimed that she raped him in sealed court filings (that were leaked). He stated "I can grab them by the..." You know what? You can help those who are willfully ignorant.

2 of those women were proven to be on the DNC payroll. I bet you didnt hear that on CNN?

i can't even find it on google. and google searches pull up some pretty crazy ****. what's your source?

Sort of discredits the other ones.

uh, no. no it doesn't. not 'sort of'. not 'kinda'

[dice]

ive never been more proud of this country. i literally cried tears of joy once it was clear that trump was going to win. america, we did it!

It's such a great day! The sun is out, the birds are chirping, the KKK is celebrating on bridges. I love America!

So all those latinos who voted for Trump are KKK members? And all the blacks that voted for him? And all the women?

I thought that losing this election in incredibly embarrassing fashion would help decrease the insane smugness and arrogance of liberals. But clearly it has not.

white supremacist leaders support trump. a huge chunk of his followers show interest in white supremacist groups. it's reality. get your head out of the sand

and what's up with your suggestion that women are not a sizable portion of those who sympathize with the KKK?

[Red Larrivee]

ive never been more proud of this country. i literally cried tears of joy once it was clear that trump was going to win. america, we did it!

It's such a great day! The sun is out, the birds are chirping, the KKK is celebrating on bridges. I love America!

So all those latinos who voted for Trump are KKK members? And all the blacks that voted for him? And all the women?

I thought that losing this election in incredibly embarrassing fashion would help decrease the insane smugness and arrogance of liberals. But clearly it has not.

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. However, it shouldn't be ignored that it's a significant part of his campaign, who he appealed to and who he really is. It's pretty embarrassing when an infamous racial-hate group is celebrating and planning a parade in honor of the next President. Electing Trump is embracing a lot of things that are wrong with this country. Yet, people on the news are telling me to be optimistic and saying, "hey, maybe it won't be as bad as you think."

[dice]

The sad thing is the overt Trump supporting racist, sexist, bigoted, xenophobes won. It's a Democracy. This is us.

The funny thing is watching closet Trump backing pussies support the win with carefully crafted language about how the result is about everything except what Trump ran on. Cowards.

Probably the same people who insist that racism isn't a significant problem in this country anymore.

they stopped saying that once trump started gathering steam. it was impossible to ignore at that point

[dice]

Insulting women based on their looks is offensive and grade A ass hole behavior, but it's not sexist.

how about saying that wives working outside the home is a problem?

The birther issue was absurd in my opinion but I still wouldn't call it racist. It was more like it was carefully concocted to appeal to racists.

he wrote IN ONE OF HIS OWN BOOKS that he didn't want black people handling his money. that's enough to convince me