OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[dice]

Yes, Trump said (and did) awful things. I sure as heck didn't vote for him - and out of every one I know, only two voted for him. And Hillary Clinton did some equally deplorable things.

no she didn't

She risked national security by using a private server

stupid mistake, but 'deplorable'? and it was the government server that got hacked, not hers

She lied to the families who lost loved one's in Benghazi.

gross mischaracterization. and way overblown

She has fronted the Clinton Foundation as an altruistic non-profit when it was really just an expense account funded by frightening people (Saudis, Algerians, etc).

false. highly rated CHARITY with some dubious donors

If they both weren't so awful, Clinton would be the next POTUS.

she may be an awful candidate, but she's sure as hell not an awful person. as you well know, plenty of good people have lost political races

[dice]

Whatever the endgame was thought to be here in Libya and Syria it is going horrifically and needs to change. Why we are still funneling support through Saudi and Qatar to terrorist fighters, is facepalming. What is it accomplishing? Such incompetence does make you wonder sometimes how what we are doing can be taken at face value.

nothing will change. libya was on a road to where it is right now before we went in there and sped up the process. there are no good outsider answers for syria. and if trump risks oil supply by turning his back on the saudis (if he even has that power) i will be very impressed

If nothing changes, Europe is going to spiral down and down with overwhelming refugees. They've got gangs fighting in the streets of Paris. Elections are coming and many sitting governments are in danger.

I don't know how much longer both sides keep pouring gas and letting it burn.

the US has tried to help the syria situation without heavy military intervention. they have failed. it's a hell of a task. maybe impossible

[GetBuLLish]

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. However, it shouldn't be ignored that it's a significant part of his campaign, who he appealed to and who he really is. It's pretty embarrassing when an infamous racial-hate group is celebrating and planning a parade in honor of the next President. Electing Trump is embracing a lot of things that are wrong with this country. Yet, people on the news are telling me to be optimistic and saying, "hey, maybe it won't be as bad as you think."

You guys are like clockwork. I go about 3 years without ever hearing a single peep about the KKK. Literally not a single peep. And then election season rolls around and all of a sudden we are back in the 1960s with the KKK terrorizing the streets.

I just google'd it and apparently there are about 6,000 KKK members in the country. That would make up less than 0.02% of the people who voted for Trump.

Latinos, blacks, women, whites, etc...all types of people voted for Trump. Crying like babies about the KKK and whatnot is pathetic. Your party just lost in shocking and embarrassing fashion even though the odds were completely stacked in your party's favor. How about taking some time to do a little introspection rather than pretending that everyone else is the problem?

[TheSuzerain]

Interestingly, Trump actually got 1% less of the white vote than Mitt Romney. So much for all these racists fired up to vote for him. Are there racists who supported Trump? Of course. But, I really don't think anymore so than any other election. Period. the numbers bear this out. I would say there were far more racists fired up to vote against Obama than to vote for Trump and it wasn't enough, so this logic just smells bad. This election was about much more than that.

Nobody is saying racism isn't a problem in this country (at least not me), just that it is not the reason Trump is the PEOTUS. It's the people trying to make that out to be the case who are just further dividing people. It's crying wolf and at the worst F'ing time. It's just the last thing the country needs right now. Call it like it is. Hillary lost because she didn't give enough people a reason to vote for her. She needed to come up with a vision not a bunch of rhetoric. The same rhetoric people are sick of hearing. The best her campaign could do is keep repeating that "Trump is a racist, narcissistic, sexist, mean idiot". "He sucks so you have to vote for me" is just not gonna cut it. Sorry Hillary. The Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves here. What an opportunity they had and they pissed it away.

Yeah... Whatever you think of Hillary as a person/candidate, her team messed up. They could have been positive and never saw a positive ad until the last day while Trump was saying he will make America great again every day.

Plus, they ran scared and fell into his trap. It's like a basketball game. Do you impose your will on GS or try to play the free 3pt shooting game when you face them. You will lose.

For all her details on policy, she could not simplify those policies into simple sentences we can remember. That's my take.

I think this is a mischaracterization of their respective campaigns. Clinton did go mostly positive. Trump went super negative. Do you remember the conventions?

Clinton/DNC **** up in a lot of ways, but I don't buy this one.

[Jo Jo English]

You guys are like clockwork. I go about 3 years without ever hearing a single peep about the KKK. Literally not a single peep. And then election season rolls around and all of a sudden we are back in the 1960s with the KKK terrorizing the streets.

I just google'd it and apparently there are about 6,000 KKK members in the country. That would make up less than 0.02% of the people who voted for Trump.

Latinos, blacks, women, whites, etc...all types of people voted for Trump. Crying like babies about the KKK and whatnot is pathetic. Your party just lost in shocking and embarrassing fashion even though the odds were completely stacked in your party's favor. How about taking some time to do a little introspection rather than pretending that everyone else is the problem?

Or is it maybe that every 3-4 years the KKK feels they need to try to roll us back to the 1960s?

Nah, you're right... racism is dead. What we were silly democrats thinking? Aww, shucks.

[Red Larrivee]

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. However, it shouldn't be ignored that it's a significant part of his campaign, who he appealed to and who he really is. It's pretty embarrassing when an infamous racial-hate group is celebrating and planning a parade in honor of the next President. Electing Trump is embracing a lot of things that are wrong with this country. Yet, people on the news are telling me to be optimistic and saying, "hey, maybe it won't be as bad as you think."

You guys are like clockwork. I go about 3 years without ever hearing a single peep about the KKK. Literally not a single peep. And then election season rolls around and all of a sudden we are back in the 1960s with the KKK terrorizing the streets.

I just google'd it and apparently there are about 6,000 KKK members in the country. That would make up less than 0.02% of the people who voted for Trump.

Latinos, blacks, women, whites, etc...all types of people voted for Trump. Crying like babies about the KKK and whatnot is pathetic. Your party just lost in shocking and embarrassing fashion even though the odds were completely stacked in your party's favor. How about taking some time to do a little introspection rather than pretending that everyone else is the problem?

This election proved that a good majority of our country is the problem. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well. You can bring up the semantics of what population the KKK makes up, but there's no way you can pretend that Trumps campaign didn't appeal to a silent, but significant percentage of racists in this country.

[GetBuLLish]

Yes, that's always my main point when I counter in the way I've done here on these issues. Calling Donald Trump a racist a thousand times isn't going to create better policy, and it certainly isn't going to win over the hearts and minds of his supporters.

There are three reasons why liberals constantly resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist, mysognists, sexists, etc.:

1) To make themselves feel better and morally superior.
2) To receive the adoration and praise of fellow liberals and thereby make one another feel better and morally superior.
3) To avoid having to debate the issue at hand on the merits.

Those are the reasons. Engaging in honest, open debate is not the goal.

[jumpstart]

So you mean the emotional Democrats threatening things they may not back up might match the emotional Republicans from the past 8 years that threatened things they didn't back up?

Shocking.

Pretty much, its not the end of the world. Obama is going to meet Trump tomorrow at the White House. Boy will that be awkward... but they will make nice and the world will go on.

Considering our first black President has to be more diplomatic in that hour than the guy who owned the birther movement has been collectively in his entire lifetime, I think yeah, calling that awkward is accurate.

You are right. It is not the end of the world. It's just a blatant example of how **** up our world still is.

Didn't a person in Hilary Clinton's circle start the birther movement?

[GetBuLLish]

Or is it maybe that every 3-4 years the KKK feels they need to try to roll us back to the 1960s?

Well they are doing a smashing job

[Red Larrivee]

Yes, that's always my main point when I counter in the way I've done here on these issues. Calling Donald Trump a racist a thousand times isn't going to create better policy, and it certainly isn't going to win over the hearts and minds of his supporters.

There are three reasons why liberals constantly resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist, mysognists, sexists, etc.:

1) To make themselves feel better and morally superior.
2) To receive the adoration and praise of fellow liberals and thereby make one another feel better and morally superior.
3) To avoid having to debate the issue at hand on the merits.

Those are the reasons. Engaging in honest, open debate is not the goal.

Or, you know...because the man they elected is a racist, misogynst, bigot with zero political experience.

[GetBuLLish]

This election proved that a good majority of our country is the problem. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well. You can bring up the semantics of what population the KKK makes up, but there's no way you can pretend that Trumps campaign didn't appeal to a silent, but significant percentage of racists in this country.

In your head, yes, this is true.

But out here in reality land, you're wrong.

[Red Larrivee]

This election proved that a good majority of our country is the problem. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well. You can bring up the semantics of what population the KKK makes up, but there's no way you can pretend that Trumps campaign didn't appeal to a silent, but significant percentage of racists in this country.

In your head, yes, this is true.

But out here in reality land, you're wrong.

In reality, you're in the minority if you think Trump and his campaign wasn't built on that.

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. However, it shouldn't be ignored that it's a significant part of his campaign, who he appealed to and who he really is. It's pretty embarrassing when an infamous racial-hate group is celebrating and planning a parade in honor of the next President. Electing Trump is embracing a lot of things that are wrong with this country. Yet, people on the news are telling me to be optimistic and saying, "hey, maybe it won't be as bad as you think."

You guys are like clockwork. I go about 3 years without ever hearing a single peep about the KKK. Literally not a single peep. And then election season rolls around and all of a sudden we are back in the 1960s with the KKK terrorizing the streets.

Either that or you could just be ignoring the news that you don't think affects you...

It's fine, I think we all have limited attention spans about things we don't think affect us.

So, I'm fairly certain you'd miss something like this: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement/

I just google'd it and apparently there are about 6,000 KKK members in the country. That would make up less than 0.02% of the people who voted for Trump.

Latinos, blacks, women, whites, etc...all types of people voted for Trump. Crying like babies about the KKK and whatnot is pathetic. Your party just lost in shocking and embarrassing fashion even though the odds were completely stacked in your party's favor. How about taking some time to do a little introspection rather than pretending that everyone else is the problem?

Yeah, I'm sure they made sure to bring their hoods and KKK cards with them to the voting poll.

It wouldn't be as big a deal if Trump was forcefully disavowing them. He isn't at all, and it's making their type of statements acceptable.

[jumpstart]

This election proved that a good majority of our country is the problem. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well. You can bring up the semantics of what population the KKK makes up, but there's no way you can pretend that Trumps campaign didn't appeal to a silent, but significant percentage of racists in this country.

In your head, yes, this is true.

But out here in reality land, you're wrong.

In reality, you're in the minority if you think Trump and his campaign wasn't built on that.

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

you mean the majority?

[dice]

Pretty much, its not the end of the world. Obama is going to meet Trump tomorrow at the White House. Boy will that be awkward... but they will make nice and the world will go on.

Considering our first black President has to be more diplomatic in that hour than the guy who owned the birther movement has been collectively in his entire lifetime, I think yeah, calling that awkward is accurate.

You are right. It is not the end of the world. It's just a blatant example of how **** up our world still is.

Didn't a person in Hilary Clinton's circle start the birther movement?

nope. one of her supporters presumably did though. 'cause there are racists in the democratic party too

[coldfish]

This election proved that a good majority of our country is the problem. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well. You can bring up the semantics of what population the KKK makes up, but there's no way you can pretend that Trumps campaign didn't appeal to a silent, but significant percentage of racists in this country.

In your head, yes, this is true.

But out here in reality land, you're wrong.

In reality, you're in the minority if you think Trump and his campaign wasn't built on that.

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

His campaign was built on making promises to disaffected blue collar workers who had largely voted for democrats in the past. The people who got flipped in this election were people who voted for Obama the last time. Unless Obama isn't actually black, its hard to call them racist.

Were there racists who voted for Trump? Of course. However, those same racists likely voted for Romney the last time and McCain before him. The republican party has a rather large sub group of racists that support them. Donald Trump didn't create the racists. They were always there.

[dice]

In your head, yes, this is true.

But out here in reality land, you're wrong.

In reality, you're in the minority if you think Trump and his campaign wasn't built on that.

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

you mean the majority?

hillary won the popular vote. many trump voters held their noses and voted for him DESPITE the racism. many people didn't vote at all because they think trump is a despicable racist but couldn't bring themselves to vote for hillary. and finally, many, MANY people voted for trump at least in part precisely BECAUSE his campaign was based on racism. so yeah, i'd say it's a smallish percentage of the population who doesn't think trump is a racist

[GetBuLLish]

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

Why are they acting like that? Because they are giant sissies of the politically correct movement who pretend their worlds are crashing down when they hear something they don't like. Plus the fact that they thought this election would be a landslide and expected that their party would be handed the election on a silver platter didn't help either.

[Red Larrivee]

Why do you think so many people are grieving and reacting the way they are today? It's not because Hillary was some awesome candidate that was robbed of presidency.

Why are they acting like that? Because they are giant sissies of the politically correct movement who pretend their worlds are crashing down when they hear something they don't like. Plus the fact that they thought this election would be a landslide and expected that their party would be handed the election on a silver platter didn't help either.

If Romney or McCain beat Obama, there's no chance the reaction would've been like this. You're looking at everything except the real effects of Trump's victory that are the core of today's grievance and mourning.

[kingkirk]

And so it begins...

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