OT - Trump

[Onus]

My optimism is with the possibility of our economy growing and that we find work for those factory workers. Maybe we can become a leader in something again.

There was supposed to be programs in place to reeducate the workforce that had been displaced. That was an Obama objective.

Yeah, the factory worker jobs have been displaced by technology and productivity gains. I think reeducation of workforce is needed, but it's no quick fix and in the end, it might be at the cost of a generation of Americans before something is developed; what these new jobs are and what skill sets are needed for them are still ill-defined.

And that's my biggest fear, that a lot of America has already lost her patience (obviously from this election) and when Trump - or whoever - doesn't fulfill his/her promise in 4-8 years, where does that leave us?

I think the new jobs and skill sets are pretty well defined, especially in the bay area. There is a high high demand for coders/software engineers/programmers and a lot of that is being outsourced because there isn't enough supply here in the states. If all the manual laborers/factory workers were able to write code they'd all have jobs.

[Sam Lowry Jr]

My optimism is with the possibility of our economy growing and that we find work for those factory workers. Maybe we can become a leader in something again.

There was supposed to be programs in place to reeducate the workforce that had been displaced. That was an Obama objective.

Yeah, the factory worker jobs have been displaced by technology and productivity gains. I think reeducation of workforce is needed, but it's no quick fix and in the end, it might be at the cost of a generation of Americans before something is developed; what these new jobs are and what skill sets are needed for them are still ill-defined.

And that's my biggest fear, that a lot of America has already lost her patience (obviously from this election) and when Trump - or whoever - doesn't fulfill his/her promise in 4-8 years, where does that leave us?

I think the new jobs and skill sets are pretty well defined, especially in the bay area. There is a high high demand for coders/software engineers/programmers and a lot of that is being outsourced because there isn't enough supply here in the states. If all the manual laborers/factory workers were able to write code they'd all have jobs.

Yeah, I think that's the way to go. I imagine the new jobs wouldn't quite require the skill level of, say, an undergrad CS major, but I do think it might be difficult for an ex-laborer to develop these skills quickly to get back in the workforce immediately. Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

Also, in some instances, technology and productivity maximization have reduced jobs that were once done by many laborers to jobs that require much fewer people. So while I think there are new opportunities for those that write code, I'm not sure if there will be enough new jobs to match the jobs lost in this sector.

[FNQ]

the american people lost the second the DNC decided that they knew better than the people, and used their influence to direct people to their preferred candidate.

And then hand chose her opponent.

And then still lost.

But they know best.

[turk3d]

The majority of Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

It's also worth noting that Trump did lose the popular vote, so it's not like he won in a landslide.

+1. On top of that, Obama was a huge failure as was the party. When he first took office, the Dems had the House and the Senate, to go along with the Prez. And what did they do with it? Nothing. They just squandered it by letting the Republicans block and filibuster every thing the tried to do for his entire two terms and didn't try to do a thing about it until maybe this this year which was way too late unfortunately.

I would also say that if Hilary would have won (she may actually win the popular vote when tallied) the Republicans would have put lawsuit after lawsuit on her which would have made it even more difficult for her to run the country. This country is in pretty deep doodoo regardless of who won the election.

[Onus]

Yeah, the factory worker jobs have been displaced by technology and productivity gains. I think reeducation of workforce is needed, but it's no quick fix and in the end, it might be at the cost of a generation of Americans before something is developed; what these new jobs are and what skill sets are needed for them are still ill-defined.

And that's my biggest fear, that a lot of America has already lost her patience (obviously from this election) and when Trump - or whoever - doesn't fulfill his/her promise in 4-8 years, where does that leave us?

I think the new jobs and skill sets are pretty well defined, especially in the bay area. There is a high high demand for coders/software engineers/programmers and a lot of that is being outsourced because there isn't enough supply here in the states. If all the manual laborers/factory workers were able to write code they'd all have jobs.

Yeah, I think that's the way to go. I imagine the new jobs wouldn't quite require the skill level of, say, an undergrad CS major, but I do think it might be difficult for an ex-laborer to develop these skills quickly to get back in the workforce immediately. Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

Also, in some instances, technology and productivity maximization have reduced jobs that were once done by many laborers to jobs that require much fewer people. So while I think there are new opportunities for those that write code, I'm not sure if there will be enough new jobs to match the jobs lost in this sector.

The older generations probably won't be able to learn these skills but the next generation absolutely can.

[clyde21]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Wow really? I think the white and Christian vote were up, but I know multiple minorities that voted for Trump. I view statements like these as a reason we aren't going anywhere on the race front. The democrats painted a picture of uneducated whitie that was Trump's backers.

I think you will find that in certain areas of the country he had strong Latino support. The only Latinos I know that didn't support him, have relatives in this country illegally. I have a Muslim friend that voted for Trump. I only know of a couple of my black friends who did not vote for Trump.

It isn't popular to be a minority and support Trump.

You know a couple of minorities and a Muslim that voted for Trump?

Oh, well in that case, he's not a belligerent fool at all!

[clyde21]

America sure is damn complicated.

Just split the country up into 3. East, West and Mid. Elect a leader for each. It's too big and critical for the planet to have a country pivotal for the worlds economy to be so messed up now. Thanks, /end rant.

I'd be more than happy to have California leave those hillbillies behind. Where do I sign?

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

The presidential dynamic is flawed and needs to go away as does the electoral college. Unlike parliament system here in NZ where its MMP where a govt is formed from multiple parties who all receive votes. They have to team up to be the Majority to get in power. So they compromise and get stuff done. . In the states they have two parties, and a president can come to power with less overall votes than the other candidate because popular vote means nothing it based on states. A lot of votes don't even happen because we know what the state will be in advance. That is how we got Bush Junior and now this guy. Its only happend 4 times. And we got the 2 worst presidents in my lifetime this way.

Basically its 3 countries. West Coast, North East. Then Hell where Texas is the Capital.. The total electoral college is more even though population less. Those people in the Middle is the stereo type that we are ashamed of. Sux. Imagine if we never had bush 2.. how the world would be now.

[turk3d]

I hate the electoral college.

[Duke4life831]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Thats a juicy narrative and all but the numbers dont back that up. Trump got 58% of the white vote, thats actually down from Romney 4 years ago when he got 59% of the white vote. Trump had a small bump in the minority vote compared to Romney. The big reason Trump won was not because of White and Christian backlash, it was Hillary's inability to get people to go out and vote for her especially minorities.

[ChuckDurn]

I'm totally fine with a pathological liar, morally and multiple-time fiscally bankrupt business "genius", racist, misogynist, sexual predator, disability-mocking, national hero-mocking, immature, vindictive, attention-seeking, bully having the most powerful, influential position in the world.

If he makes it through the upcoming rape and fraud trials before being sworn in, or course.

And it's fantastic that every parent with young kids will have to teach their children that the president of the most powerful country is absolutely not a role model.

Yeah, what could go wrong?

Yeah, America f'ed up. The rest of the world realizes it more than most of us do. We have been the country that has been the moral leader, the country that does what is best for the world, even if it is not what is best for us. That has been what has stabilized the world and kept many negative forces in check.

And when you put into power the most immoral man that just about anybody can imagine, you no longer can be viewed as the moral leader.

When you openly state that you are going to do what is best for you (potentially at the expense of what is best for the world)..... you have created the opportunity for chaos.

I pray that I'm wrong, and that the sound bites that effectively served as a proxy for any real policy don't come to fruition.

[Mylie10]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Thats a juicy narrative and all but the numbers dont back that up. Trump got 58% of the white vote, thats actually down from Romney 4 years ago when he got 59% of the white vote. Trump had a small bump in the minority vote compared to Romney. The big reason Trump won was not because of White and Christian backlash, it was Hillary's inability to get people to go out and vote for her especially minorities.

Also democrat union types who voted for jobs instead of Hillary.

[CaptainMorgan78]

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[bakesale]

I'm gathering your American bondom. Why did people vote for him? Surely Clinton was the far lesser of 2 evils.

You're Australian, aren't you? Have you already listened to Jim Jeffries on Donald Trump? I guess at the moment it could be called gallows humor.

Watch on YouTube

Big fan of Jeffries. We love him in Australia!

[bakesale]

The majority of Americans don't really like Trump but the DNC failed to give us a reason to be excited for someone to beat him either. They really screwed the pooch when they forced her on us (despite Bernie representing the party's true fire) and tried to convince us it was her time. I don't think Trump beats Bernie, because Bernie taps into the same sentiments as Trump without all the crazy hateful elements.

Trump's election is a failure on the part of the DNC. They put getting Hillary elected above party objectives and it bit them in the butt in the end.

It's also worth noting that Trump did lose the popular vote, so it's not like he won in a landslide.

I'm curious to know if anyone actually listened to her talk or whether people just listened to Trump call her crooked Hillary all the time?

Because when I listened to Hillary's speech she was ALL for raising the minimum wage (which America needs to do desperately) in order to ensure that in her words: "no full time working person in America should be living below the poverty line", she wanted to make college accessible to all and those that have fees/debt to have that reduced significantly if not wiped out altogether, she wanted to reduce taxes on the poor-middle and increase the taxes to the highest earners. I mean she was most certainly about improving the middle class (read: working class) and help those who aren't getting paid as much as they should. She even offered everyone in the audience to go to her website where you could see how your family would be better off under her plan. So she not only had talk but she was willing to put her money where her mouth is. I get the sense that the working class refused to listen and already made up their mind, shame on them for not even taking the time to listen. I'm all for Bernie but for god's sake Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as you may think if you ACTUALLY LISTENED to what she had to say.
Listening to Trump all I heard were broad statements with zero substance. Outside of that his speeches were full of fear mongering about immigrants and hatefulness against Hillary. He would say the most absurd, vile things and for some reason the majority of Americans ate it all up.

Right wing people say they fear muslim terrorism. Based on what I've seen on the news in the past year or so, if I was in America I'd be far more fearful of gun toting psychotic Americans who shoot mass amounts of people. In America you're FAR FAR more likely to be killed by an American with a gun than you are by a muslim.
I'll leave it at that because I don't want to rant out an essay... but this decision by Americans to vote for Trump was absolutely stupid.

[bakesale]

What President or former President makes 2 mil for a speaking engagement?

HRC's speaking engagement fees averaged $200,000/speech, not $2M. Also, it was much less than Trump's $1.5M for speaking fee.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-fight-over-hillary-clintons-speaking-fees-is-ridiculous/2016/02/05/ca4d8952-cc4e-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html

Not sure where you get the $2M number from, but would be curious to see.

I was referring to Bill and I was incorrect, it was a 2 year, 2mil contract for speaking engagements, though the details of the contract weren't given. The wikileaks were trying to establish a quid pro quo for contracts etc, while Clinton was secretary of state.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/wikileaks-john-podesta-teneo-clinton-foundation/

The Trump speaking fee is outrageous in itself.

Complaining about speaking fee is like complaining about free agents getting paid. If that's what the market bears then they should get paid the appropriate amount.

[bakesale]

There is a saying for this; opinions are like ****, everyone has one and thinks that their's doesn't stink.

All the stories the last couple days about "watch out for Trump supporters after their loss" and now the protests with vandalism and violence have already began, mostly on the west coast.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries and was force fed Clinton. I voted Trump because he is a change from this crap. Not that my vote mattered anyways, Clinton won California as was expected.

It's been a peaceful protest.

You voted Trump because he he is a change from this crap? What crap?

What did Clinton do to you that was so bad? America spent $7 million on trying to find her at fault for Benghazi and came up with nothing.

The FBI spent a tonne of time and resources not once but TWICE trying to dig into her emails and still couldn't find any criminality in them. This by the way totally ruined her campaign. The fact that it came up with nothing made it doubly worse.

I'm not saying she was an amazing candidate, I much preferred Bernie but she wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as Trump.
He said a bunch of meaningless Catch phrases like "Make America Great Again". He didn't have anything to back up this BS but much worse than that he was not only in support of the Great Housing Crash of 2008 which RUINED America but as a property magnate he was largely responsible for it happening in the first place. He has a hand in ruining middle America and you want to trust him to Make America Great Again? You're kidding me right?

[Left*My*Heart]

This was a White and Christian backlash against minorities. Simple as that. They were out in folds trying to prove that this is "their country".

Wow really? I think the white and Christian vote were up, but I know multiple minorities that voted for Trump. I view statements like these as a reason we aren't going anywhere on the race front. The democrats painted a picture of uneducated whitie that was Trump's backers.

I think you will find that in certain areas of the country he had strong Latino support. The only Latinos I know that didn't support him, have relatives in this country illegally. I have a Muslim friend that voted for Trump. I only know of a couple of my black friends who did not vote for Trump.

It isn't popular to be a minority and support Trump.

You know a couple of minorities and a Muslim that voted for Trump?

Oh, well in that case, he's not a belligerent fool at all!

Since I had no horse in this race, I was curious what my friends and others I came in contact that were open enough to talk about it, who they were voting for and why. Yes, I have a Muslim friend, but he told me that most of his friends were voting for Trump. I didn't hang out at the local Mosque polling people. I found it very interesting how diverse the group was that I know that were voting for Trump.

I'm not defending Trump, he is a belligerent, narcissistic, bully, ignorant fool.

He got 26% more of the Hispanic vote and he got votes from Democrats as well. Hillary couldn't get her fans out to vote for her and I haven't seen any numbers, but I hear her numbers were down as well.

[bakesale]

Regardless of political leanings the big take away is how many people don't fully research candidates and issues, but merely are driven by the sound bite media.

Its a referendum on the establishment politicians, and elite media. When you call large portions of the country "fly over country", you have to realize that you're alienating a gigantic block of voters. And not just redneck white people either. Its kind of why Bernie had such a huge following, he was and is considered an outsider by the elite media and they fought to ruin his chances behind the scenes.

The problem is that rural areas (red necks) are the most guilty of not doing ANY homework on either candidate. All they hear is "make america great again" but they don't stop to think what that actually means, they just got the sound bite they wanted to hear and ran with that. He talks absolute nonsense!

Then there's a huge chunk of voters who are racist and hate immigrants. He taps into their fear of immigrants and people respond easily to these sound bites, again without doing their homework into whether they really are in danger from immigrants or not. To them, ignorance is bliss.

I don't think that Trump will have his hand on the button as some fear. I also think that the fact that he understands business and what it takes to run one, he will put good managers in cabinet positions and also get more people back to work (who want to)..

Trump was born into wealth and spent recklessly in the 80s and damn near went bankrupt throughout the early 90s. He was extraordinarily lucky to be bailed out. I wouldn't exactly trust his Business acumen.

I don't get how gullible America is when listening to him? I don't understand how people accept his apology for his appalling treatment of women? He has a long history of being a creepy MF the moment he got in the public eye. He's been a known creep for decades, what makes you think he'll change? And he only apologised because he got caught not because he's actually sorry for being a creep.

You actually don't have to do much homework to realise what an a--hole he really is. He hands it to you on a silver platter almost every time he speaks. His negative, hate filled rhetoric, his absurd ideas of building a wall... I could go on for hours, isn't it obvious to you how horrible he is?

[Left*My*Heart]

There is a saying for this; opinions are like ****, everyone has one and thinks that their's doesn't stink.

All the stories the last couple days about "watch out for Trump supporters after their loss" and now the protests with vandalism and violence have already began, mostly on the west coast.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries and was force fed Clinton. I voted Trump because he is a change from this crap. Not that my vote mattered anyways, Clinton won California as was expected.

It's been a peaceful protest.

You voted Trump because he he is a change from this crap? What crap?

What did Clinton do to you that was so bad? America spent $7 million on trying to find her at fault for Benghazi and came up with nothing.

The FBI spent a tonne of time and resources not once but TWICE trying to dig into her emails and still couldn't find any criminality in them. This by the way totally ruined her campaign. The fact that it came up with nothing made it doubly worse.

I'm not saying she was an amazing candidate, I much preferred Bernie but she wasn't anywhere NEAR as bad as Trump.
He said a bunch of meaningless Catch phrases like "Make America Great Again". He didn't have anything to back up this BS but much worse than that he was not only in support of the Great Housing Crash of 2008 which RUINED America but as a property magnate he was largely responsible for it happening in the first place. He has a hand in ruining middle America and you want to trust him to Make America Great Again? You're kidding me right?

I don't know what to believe. I get my news from as many sources as possible, including the BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN and so on. I don't believe what I read, as everyone seems to have a political slant to their side and yes, there is propaganda in our news. I know of dealings the Clinton's had in Arkansas and they were very shady. I wouldn't vote for any of them based on ethics alone. The idea she is a saint is far from the truth. The old adage, where there is smoke there is fire, tells me something is wrong. I can care less about Benghazi. They should have pulled Stevens and his staff out months earlier, that was a mistake, not a crime. There are troubling emails that were hacked. The only excuse I have heard is, they were obtained illegally. Still it sheds light on things regardless. The Clinton's are slick extremely polished machine. Sanders truly cares about people, the Clintons pretend.

Again, I have no horse in this, but thinking that Hillary was going to help the middle class is BS. How does increasing taxes on the middle class help?

As far as any investigation into Hillary, the Clinton Foundation etc. and even if it is remotely possible, a completely independent bi-partisan investigation needs to be done before I would be satisfied. I don't know it that is even possible.