OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[TheSuzerain]

One more thing to see how Trump will rule is how he chooses his cabinet. Is he going to staff his cabinet with the guys who were on the campaign(the yes guys and white guys) or is he going to get minorities/people who opposed him as some of the cabinet members. Obama kept people like Robert Gates and diversified his staff.

We will know then a lot of his rhetoric will start turning into policies and implemented by yes men who agree with his divisive statements(which they supported during the campaign).

He just picked a climate-change denier to lead the EPA transition.

Read into that how you will.

[Dr Spaceman]

Because as it stands right now, "moving forward as a nation" means allowing our president to commit war crimes, because that's what he promised to do.

All of war is a crime against humanity.

Alright let me be more clear:

"With the terrorists, you have to take out their families." "When you get these terrorists, you have got to take out their families," [Trump] repeated.

So I'll rephrase: rallying behind our new president means supporting him as he murders innocent people.

[League Circles]

Moving on or holding somebody accountable for the divisiveness of their actions, words and the lows that his campagain went to help incite white nationalism for his own benefit?

Appointing Mike Pence as his Vice President is a direct attack on the LGBTQ community. Publcly funded conversion therapy is completely unacceptable.

A complete disregard for the scientific community and our impact on global warming is completely unacceptable.

Where is your line in the sand? Do you have one?

Fair enough. I truly don't know anything of consequence about Pence. I would like to see the government, especially the fed, get out of the marriage game all together. And I'd definitely agree that publicly funded conversion therapy is completely unacceptable.

But I truly don't understand the question about my line in the sand. Line in the sand for what? For my vote and support? For my willingness to try to give someone the benefit of the doubt moving forward when they apologize and say the right things at the right time (as Trump just did)?

I didn't vote for him and think he's a huge ****. And I think he'll be a bad president and I'm a little scared. AND I think protesting his presidency is counterproductive right now to America.

[League Circles]

Because as it stands right now, "moving forward as a nation" means allowing our president to commit war crimes, because that's what he promised to do.

All of war is a crime against humanity.

Alright let me be more clear:

"With the terrorists, you have to take out their families." "When you get these terrorists, you have got to take out their families," [Trump] repeated.

So I'll rephrase: rallying behind our new president means supporting him as he murders innocent people.

Yeah, I don't know why I made my comment, sorry. Yes, these are the types of things that scare me most about Trump. Killing innocent people abroad and inciting more anti-US hatred.

[ChiCityHoops34]

All these spoiled liberals stomping up and down the streets "protesting" the results of a democratic election process is pathetic. I put protesting in quotes because it is an insult to other people actually protesting something legitimate.

The media/the left said Trump was a threat to the peaceful transition of power if he were to lose. There were actually people complaining about their disappointment in HRC/Obama for showing support and respect to the election results. Aka these protestors were encouraging doing the EXACT thing Trump was killed for when he said he wasn't sure if he'd accept the results. It is such a joke.

[League Circles]

Absolutely.

Just to be clear, I wasn't really questioning whether Trump people started it. I was trying to point out that just because they started it doesn't make it effective to continue the divide.

Every significant social advancement in the history of the United States results from one side creating a divide, the other side overtly calling it what it is, and them prevailing over it through acts of non-unity.

Tuesday marked a day when whatever was left of the veil over American bigotry was ripped away by the bigots themselves.

There will be no acceptance of that involving compromise by the targets of that bigotry. So it's going to be an extraordinarily divisive time in our nation's history. At least that is my prediction.

As for Trump's words, I don't think you grasp the issue. It's not Trump. It's the election of Trump by America. That's a critical distinction.

You have good points here. I won't argue them. It is scary that we elected him. Though to be clear, less than 19% of Americans voted for him, many of whom did it with their nose held shut.

It says just as much if not more about the failure of our democratic, primary and election system as it does about some underlying flaw in the American people (the election system is definitely ****, yet that barely registers a blip in Washington, yet probably only like 10% of Americans "support" Trump.

Also, IMO, America isn't very socially advanced. Maybe we'd make quicker "social progress" if we weren't digging into each other all the time. I'm looking for leadership on that. Trump surely didn't show that leadership as a candidate, but I suppose I'll give him a chance to as pres. I have no alternative that appeals to me right now other than "acceptance" and "benefit of the doubt". In case it wasn't obvious to people for the last 15 years, I'm a criminal defense attorney at heart, for better or worse.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

All these spoiled liberals stomping up and down the streets "protesting" the results of a democratic election process is pathetic. I put protesting in quotes because it is an insult to other people actually protesting something legitimate.

The media/the left said Trump was a threat to the peaceful transition of power if he were to lose. There were actually people complaining about their disappointment in HRC/Obama for showing support and respect to the election results. Aka these protestors were encouraging doing the EXACT thing Trump was killed for when he said he wasn't sure if he'd accept the results. It is such a joke.

The difference is that these are ordinary citizens showing their disgust for the racist-xenophobe-misogynist platform Trump ran on --- they are protesting, NOT Hilary or Barack.

[Red8911]

If standing up for the scientific community, women's, minorities and immigrants rights is going to divide this country, I'm not sure what to say.

These are things he ran on. These are things that he said. This is not a conspiracy theory like the birther movement was. These are cold, hard and very difficult facts about him and what he's done.

If standing up for people's RIGHTS is too PC for you, I'm sorry.

So what horrible thing do you think trump will do with all the women now that he's president ?? Is he going to go around harassing them ? Lol cmon people wake up.. On ILLEGAL immigrants,yes he does want to have a stricter law as do all republicans not just him but news flash our current president Obama has also deported thousands. They aren't bad people for that it's the law.Trump has said repeatedly that he supports immigrants who go through the system and come in legally.

[ChiCityHoops34]

All these spoiled liberals stomping up and down the streets "protesting" the results of a democratic election process is pathetic. I put protesting in quotes because it is an insult to other people actually protesting something legitimate.

The media/the left said Trump was a threat to the peaceful transition of power if he were to lose. There were actually people complaining about their disappointment in HRC/Obama for showing support and respect to the election results. Aka these protestors were encouraging doing the EXACT thing Trump was killed for when he said he wasn't sure if he'd accept the results. It is such a joke.

The difference is that these are ordinary citizens showing their disgust for the racist-xenophobe-misogynist platform Trump ran on --- they are protesting, NOT Hilary or Barack.

The percentage of people PO'd at Hillary and Obama for being graceful to Trump in defeat fits right into the stereotype that the left only believes in tolerance and the democratic process when it is convenient/goes the way they wanted.

#NotMyPresident has been trending all week now. If such a thing happened after an Obama victory the race card would be used by the same people protesting Trump's presidency.

[gardenofsound]

All these spoiled liberals stomping up and down the streets "protesting" the results of a democratic election process is pathetic. I put protesting in quotes because it is an insult to other people actually protesting something legitimate.

The media/the left said Drumpf was a threat to the peaceful transition of power if he were to lose. There were actually people complaining about their disappointment in HRC/Obama for showing support and respect to the election results. Aka these protestors were encouraging doing the EXACT thing Drumpf was killed for when he said he wasn't sure if he'd accept the results. It is such a joke.

The difference is that these are ordinary citizens showing their disgust for the racist-xenophobe-misogynist platform Drumpf ran on --- they are protesting, NOT Hilary or Barack.

The percentage of people PO'd at Hillary and Obama for being graceful to Drumpf in defeat fits right into the stereotype that the left only believes in tolerance and the democratic process when it is convenient/goes the way they wanted.

#NotMyPresident has been trending all week now. If such a thing happened after an Obama victory the race card would be used by the same people protesting Drumpf's presidency.

It did happen.

[League Circles]

If standing up for the scientific community, women's, minorities and immigrants rights is going to divide this country, I'm not sure what to say.

These are things he ran on. These are things that he said. This is not a conspiracy theory like the birther movement was. These are cold, hard and very difficult facts about him and what he's done.

If standing up for people's RIGHTS is too PC for you, I'm sorry.

I think moving on is more important than taking a stance on the past. I felt the same about HRC's email situation FWIW.

To my knowledge, there has been nothing in Trump's campaign that has indicated he will do anything to abuse people's rights. Making disgusting comments about women's appearance is not an affront to their rights.

I'm unclear on his position on gay marriage rights, but to my knowledge he has not proposed anything that would violate minority rights. Just to clarify, immigrating to the US as a muslim (and I am a muslim FWIW) is not a right. Nor is staying here as an illegal immigrant. If you're talking about abortion rights, that's a philosophical question and a very legitimate one. It's about the right of the fetus to live vs the right of the mother to control her body. No easy answer and no illegitimate viewpoint IMO.

Then you weren't listening.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Stopping US citizens entering the country on the basis of religion is a violation of rights.

He didn't say "stopping immigration", he said a total and complete shutdown. The difference is clear.

Fair enough. Extremely scary indeed as a thought. I am muslim and am planning to travel internationally next year. I hope I can return.

TBH, though, I think he was lying, and/or intentionally being vague, to get the mouthbreather vote (which he needed to win). It would be unconstitutional, impractical and probably impossible to enforce this. I think he knew this (and by the way he "backed off" this idea of a temporary ban once he had the nomination locked up).

I mean, HRC had the establishment and the media strongly on her side all along and was always going to. Trump may have just done what he needed to to get the votes he needed to. He was just "playing the game of politics". maybe? SMH. It's not supposed to be like this.

[Dr Spaceman]

If standing up for the scientific community, women's, minorities and immigrants rights is going to divide this country, I'm not sure what to say.

These are things he ran on. These are things that he said. This is not a conspiracy theory like the birther movement was. These are cold, hard and very difficult facts about him and what he's done.

If standing up for people's RIGHTS is too PC for you, I'm sorry.

So what horrible thing do you think trump will do with all the women now that he's president ?? Is he going to go around harassing them ? Lol cmon people wake up.. On ILLEGAL immigrants,yes he does want to have a stricter law as do all republicans not just him but news flash our current president Obama has also deported thousands. They aren't bad people for that it's the law.Trump has said repeatedly that he supports immigrants who go through the system and come in legally.

Q: Do you believe that women who get abortions should be punished?

Trump: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

Q: for the woman?

Trump:Yeah. There has to be some form.

[Dr Spaceman]

The difference is that these are ordinary citizens showing their disgust for the racist-xenophobe-misogynist platform Drumpf ran on --- they are protesting, NOT Hilary or Barack.

The percentage of people PO'd at Hillary and Obama for being graceful to Drumpf in defeat fits right into the stereotype that the left only believes in tolerance and the democratic process when it is convenient/goes the way they wanted.

#NotMyPresident has been trending all week now. If such a thing happened after an Obama victory the race card would be used by the same people protesting Drumpf's presidency.

It did happen.

Yeah this is hilarious. The current "not my president" is an obvious parody of the tea party ca. 2008

[Mech Engineer]

All these spoiled liberals stomping up and down the streets "protesting" the results of a democratic election process is pathetic. I put protesting in quotes because it is an insult to other people actually protesting something legitimate.

The media/the left said Trump was a threat to the peaceful transition of power if he were to lose. There were actually people complaining about their disappointment in HRC/Obama for showing support and respect to the election results. Aka these protestors were encouraging doing the EXACT thing Trump was killed for when he said he wasn't sure if he'd accept the results. It is such a joke.

The difference is that these are ordinary citizens showing their disgust for the racist-xenophobe-misogynist platform Trump ran on --- they are protesting, NOT Hilary or Barack.

The percentage of people PO'd at Hillary and Obama for being graceful to Trump in defeat fits right into the stereotype that the left only believes in tolerance and the democratic process when it is convenient/goes the way they wanted.

#NotMyPresident has been trending all week now. If such a thing happened after an Obama victory the race card would be used by the same people protesting Trump's presidency.

Your post is exactly the reason why I think a lot of Trump's people will assume this is a mandate to be aggressive/crude or harass minorities/immigrants/girls. I am not saying anything about your personally but pretty sure when your post is used by nutcases/racists, it goes up another level.

These people are not protesting the election results but saying they are united against him/his policy makers taking extreme actions. It is important the Trump people realize they are in a divided country and not use this election as a chance to implement his rhetoric into extreme policies or excuse extreme behavior. If you do not see the difference in a protest between not accepting election results/not accepting Obama's election Vs protest against sexual/racial rhetoric, it is sad.

[Susan]

I think moving on is more important than taking a stance on the past. I felt the same about HRC's email situation FWIW.

To my knowledge, there has been nothing in Trump's campaign that has indicated he will do anything to abuse people's rights. Making disgusting comments about women's appearance is not an affront to their rights.

I'm unclear on his position on gay marriage rights, but to my knowledge he has not proposed anything that would violate minority rights. Just to clarify, immigrating to the US as a muslim (and I am a muslim FWIW) is not a right. Nor is staying here as an illegal immigrant. If you're talking about abortion rights, that's a philosophical question and a very legitimate one. It's about the right of the fetus to live vs the right of the mother to control her body. No easy answer and no illegitimate viewpoint IMO.

Then you weren't listening.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Stopping US citizens entering the country on the basis of religion is a violation of rights.

He didn't say "stopping immigration", he said a total and complete shutdown. The difference is clear.

Fair enough. Extremely scary indeed as a thought. I am muslim and am planning to travel internationally next year. I hope I can return.

TBH, though, I think he was lying, and/or intentionally being vague, to get the mouthbreather vote (which he needed to win). It would be unconstitutional, impractical and probably impossible to enforce this. I think he knew this (and by the way he "backed off" this idea of a temporary ban once he had the nomination locked up).

I mean, HRC had the establishment and the media strongly on her side all along and was always going to. Trump may have just done what he needed to to get the votes he needed to. He was just "playing the game of politics". maybe? SMH. It's not supposed to be like this.

He says "X", you think he's lying. He follows through with "X", what's your stance then?

[League Circles]

Then you weren't listening.



Stopping US citizens entering the country on the basis of religion is a violation of rights.

He didn't say "stopping immigration", he said a total and complete shutdown. The difference is clear.

Fair enough. Extremely scary indeed as a thought. I am muslim and am planning to travel internationally next year. I hope I can return.

TBH, though, I think he was lying, and/or intentionally being vague, to get the mouthbreather vote (which he needed to win). It would be unconstitutional, impractical and probably impossible to enforce this. I think he knew this (and by the way he "backed off" this idea of a temporary ban once he had the nomination locked up).

I mean, HRC had the establishment and the media strongly on her side all along and was always going to. Trump may have just done what he needed to to get the votes he needed to. He was just "playing the game of politics". maybe? SMH. It's not supposed to be like this.

He says "X", you think he's lying. He follows through with "X", what's your stance then?

Umm, same as it was all along. I oppose such a policy. I'm not trying to excuse the stated position or explain it away. I'm trying to analyze what it meant with my best guess.

[Red8911]

All of war is a crime against humanity.

Alright let me be more clear:

"With the terrorists, you have to take out their families." "When you get these terrorists, you have got to take out their families," [Trump] repeated.

So I'll rephrase: rallying behind our new president means supporting him as he murders innocent people.

Yeah, I don't know why I made my comment, sorry. Yes, these are the types of things that scare me most about Trump. Killing innocent people abroad and inciting more anti-US hatred.

First of all who said he would murder innocent people? What are u guys talking about lol.Hilary with Benghazi didn't bother anyone ? No one is "scared" if she was elected?..Hilary isn't any better she and the democrats were about to start a conflict with Russia. Now that Trump is elected things might get better between us.Trump has said repeatedly that he would like to have good relations with Russia than an enemy and he's right we need them for the fight against isis.

[Susan]

Fair enough. Extremely scary indeed as a thought. I am muslim and am planning to travel internationally next year. I hope I can return.

TBH, though, I think he was lying, and/or intentionally being vague, to get the mouthbreather vote (which he needed to win). It would be unconstitutional, impractical and probably impossible to enforce this. I think he knew this (and by the way he "backed off" this idea of a temporary ban once he had the nomination locked up).

I mean, HRC had the establishment and the media strongly on her side all along and was always going to. Trump may have just done what he needed to to get the votes he needed to. He was just "playing the game of politics". maybe? SMH. It's not supposed to be like this.

He says "X", you think he's lying. He follows through with "X", what's your stance then?

Umm, same as it was all along. I oppose such a policy. I'm not trying to excuse the stated position or explain it away. I'm trying to analyze what it meant with my best guess.

Will you fight before or after you can't get back into the country?

[coldfish]

The problem I have with the "Well, the percentage of white's is the same as Romney!" notion, is that Romney was a very qualified Governor, who by all accounts was a great person (Mormon). There were reasons to vote for that guy.

It should be rather alarming and/or telling that the white vote pretty broke the same way despite the seismic difference in candidate quality and character.

There was a lot of talk of the supposed "moderate" right that couldn't stomach voting for Trump. Obviously that was bull.

And don't even get me started on the Evangelicals...

What is funny is that Romney lost with that percentage. If you look at the numbers, Trump actually did better with minorities than Romney. Beyond that, the candidate quality between 2012 and 2016 for the democrats was also "seismic". Democrats don't want to hear this but apparently Hillary was driving away people even faster than Trump was.

Democrats have their heads in the sand on the racism thing. That's all they want to see. This election had a race based component, but that isn't what flipped it. As I have been saying, what flipped this election was a number of democratic strongholds that strongly went for Obama (meaning they aren't racist) switching to go for Trump. It was largely economic based.

Instead of having a discussion about the real why's and policy directions, we have this constant discussion about racism that had virtually nothing to do with the outcome of the election.

Yeah, and you know what? I'm okay with this being the case. In fact, I'm 100% in favor of this.

I draw the line with people. I've cut habitual drunk drivers out of my life completely. I've ended friendships over anti-gay or racist attitudes. These are people who brought plenty of positive things to my life, but there are some things I cannot and will not stand for, because I have principles.

What we found out on Tuesday was that people do not draw the line at being racist. And that makes me shiver', because I thought I knew things about this country that turned out to not be true.

The conversation should be about racism, because what we found out is that plenty of people are willing to overlook the most despicable and reprehensible thing a person can be if they personally reap benefit from it. And that has me reeling.

I can respect that. His comments are awful and his behavior towards women boorish. Personally, its really tough because I agree with a number of the issues he has brought up (like trade, global defense, etc.) and there are a grand total of ZERO other national candidates discussing them.

If you or people you know aren't feeling the pain that our current economic situation entails, its a pretty easy choice. Racism = bad, status quo = good, vote against Trump. If you are staring at decades more of income stagnation as your kids struggle even worse than you, then its not as easy of a choice.

[Dr Spaceman]

All of war is a crime against humanity.

Alright let me be more clear:

"With the terrorists, you have to take out their families." "When you get these terrorists, you have got to take out their families," [Trump] repeated.

So I'll rephrase: rallying behind our new president means supporting him as he murders innocent people.

Yeah, I don't know why I made my comment, sorry. Yes, these are the types of things that scare me most about Trump. Killing innocent people abroad and inciting more anti-US hatred.

Hey that's cool man. I have nothing but respect for people who debate in good faith.